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DL To Launch JFK/BOS-CDG  
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 435 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10685 times:

Over the coming months, DL will be flying from both JFK and BOS to CDG, using their own planes. BOS service begins March 26. JFK service begins June 1.

Delta 48
BOS-CDG
6:40 pm - 7:55 am
Boeing 757-200

Delta 49
CDG-BOS
11:10 am - 1:25 pm
Boeing 757-200

Delta 184
JFK-CDG
5:40 pm - 7:35 am
Boeing 767-300

Delta 185
CDG-JFK
1:00 pm - 3:40 pm
Boeing 767-300

Nice to see DL planes back to flying JFK-CDG. BOS is interesting to me. This summer, DL will serve AMS, LHR, and now, CDG from BOS. I wonder if DL will start to rebuild some of the domestic side of the BOS focus city?

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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8379 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10564 times:

Sorry, BOS-CDG on a 752 when SkyTeam passengers have the option of flying AF? Is DL going after the really low yield passengers on this route? There must be a better place to deploy a 752 without superior competition, especialy if this is just a Summer route. I can't help but wonder if a Summer BOS-LIS wouldn't do better.

User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10445 times:

There is no competition on the route. For BOS-CDG there is effectively one airline with 2 flights with differently configured aircraft flying iit.

Depending on the times of the two flights, the DL 757 could be offering better connections through CDG to parts of the AF network.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10432 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 1):
Sorry, BOS-CDG on a 752 when SkyTeam passengers have the option of flying AF? Is DL going after the really low yield passengers on this route? There must be a better place to deploy a 752 without superior competition, especialy if this is just a Summer route. I can't help but wonder if a Summer BOS-LIS wouldn't do better.



They wouldn't be launching it if they didn't expect to make money. There is most likely extra capacity needed. AF does not have the right-sized metal to fill the excess. The 757 is perfect. Now they they have full ATI, i'm sure the numbers have already been crunched between DL and AF. I'm pretty sure they are privy to far more information than anyone on here...

[Edited 2010-11-19 12:17:52]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32788 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10434 times:

Quoting delimit (Reply 2):

There is no competition on the route. For BOS-CDG there is effectively one airline with 2 flights with differently configured aircraft flying iit.

American Airlines has a daily 757. Ironically, it has the best business product on the route, at least seat-wise.



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User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10292 times:

Sorry, perhaps I should have been more clear. Was replying to Airbazar who specified SkyTeam passangers. Ie, AF and DL dont compete.

User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10218 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
American Airlines has a daily 757. Ironically, it has the best business product on the route, at least seat-wise.

And the worst economy class  



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User currently onlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10076 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Thread starter):
Over the coming months, DL will be flying from both JFK and BOS to CDG, using their own planes

For a second I thought they have been flying this route for a while. Altho, I believe it was AF providing their equipment of 777s and 747s, correct? Given that, why wouldn't DL operate this with a 777 if not a 747 as well? Was AF not filling their own equipment?

Quoting HVNandrew (Thread starter):
I wonder if DL will start to rebuild some of the domestic side of the BOS focus city?

It would be neat to see them run PIT-BOS, but I believe that would saturate the market with US and B6 on that route. Do they serve PHL from BOS?



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10041 times:

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 6):
And the worst economy class

Isnt AA installing PTV's on their international 757s?



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User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 9850 times:

Interesting to see Delta expanding internationally at BOS. I would have thought they would introduce a somewhat later flight. The AF flight leaves 5:30pm and DL's at 6:40pm - that's too close in my opinion.

User currently offlineseatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 9795 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
American Airlines has a daily 757. Ironically, it has the best business product on the route, at least seat-wise.



In the past, I figured this route would get cut by AA, but with B6, do we think it will stay?


User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 802 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 9695 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
American Airlines has a daily 757. Ironically, it has the best business product on the route, at least seat-wise.

AA is a summer-only service, and AF's seat isn't really all that different from AA's.

I wonder if this means that AF will drop one of its two flights? If so, that would be quite the loss of capacity. And I wonder if this will finally be the end of AA's BOS-CDG? We always hear rumours about that one...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32788 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 9602 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 10):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
American Airlines has a daily 757. Ironically, it has the best business product on the route, at least seat-wise.



In the past, I figured this route would get cut by AA, but with B6, do we think it will stay?

It is staying thanks to British Airways, not JetBlue.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9444 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 7):
Given that, why wouldn't DL operate this with a 777 if not a 747 as well?

Because this flight is more about giving business travellers more options rather than adding a lot of seats into the market.

Quoting VS11 (Reply 9):
The AF flight leaves 5:30pm and DL's at 6:40pm - that's too close in my opinion.

If it's during the main travel time that is ideal for connections at CDG, it is the best option. Plus, with schedule padding and the 757's lower max speed, the 70-minute difference at BOS grows into 115 minutes upon arrival at CDG.

Besides, it could be worse. Just look at the JFK-CDG flight, which is scheduled to depart a mere 20 minutes before the next AF flight. Shades of AA/BA on JFK-LHR   .


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9418 times:

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 6):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
American Airlines has a daily 757. Ironically, it has the best business product on the route, at least seat-wise.


And the worst economy class


And the highest costs which is why they will have a tough time on this route once the DL flight begins.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32788 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9186 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 6):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
American Airlines has a daily 757. Ironically, it has the best business product on the route, at least seat-wise.


And the worst economy class


And the highest costs which is why they will have a tough time on this route once the DL flight begins.

Delta is not adding competition. Delta is simply adding capacity. Delta already flies BOS-CDG in joint venture with Air France. Thing aren't going to get any "tougher" for AA on this route. It's actually going to get a hell of lot easier now that it has a JBA with British Airways.



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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8076 times:

So for BOS, DL-metal flight is in addition to the twice daily AF service ? and is it seasonnal ? We can guess it is as in winter AF is down to 1 daily flight.

And for JFK, is it an additional flight or will AF drop a flight ?

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 11):
And I wonder if this will finally be the end of AA's BOS-CDG? We always hear rumours about that one.
Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
And the highest costs which is why they will have a tough time on this route once the DL flight begins.

I agree. This route seems to have always been a problem for AA and this will get worse with skyteam 'building a fortress' on this route


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6475 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7551 times:

There is not superior competition as both he AF and DL flight are part of the joint venture. It is just adding needed seats to

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
Thing aren't going to get any "tougher" for AA on this route. It's actually going to get a hell of lot easier now that it has a JBA with British Airways

How does the joint venture with BA help AA BOS-CDG? Maybe I am missing something.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7450 times:

Is AF going to stick with the 744 on BOS-CDG, or 'downgrade' to a 777? Perhaps the addition of the DL 757 will allow AF to take that 747 and put it elsewhere? In other words, AF 744 = AF 777 + DL 757.

User currently offlineSpunker From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7364 times:

I can't recall the source, but, I thought I read somewhere that AA wasn't bringing back the BOS-CDG service in 2011. I'd love to see AF bring the 777-300 to BOS next summer, it's an aircraft lacking fron the Logan scene.

User currently offlineAirFrance744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6833 times:

Quoting delimit (Reply 2):
Depending on the times of the two flights, the DL 757 could be offering better connections through CDG to parts of the AF network
AF 337
BOS-CDG
5:20 PM - 6:10 AM (this is a 1 hour 20 minute earlier earlier departure time, but 1 hour 45 minute earlier arrival time)
Airbus A340-300

AF 321 (this flight is the seasonally added second flight)
BOS-CDG
10:55 PM - 11:35 AM
Airbus A330-200

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 18):
Is AF going to stick with the 744 on BOS-CDG, or 'downgrade' to a 777? Perhaps the addition of the DL 757 will allow AF to take that 747 and put it elsewhere? In other words, AF 744 = AF 777 + DL 757.

Air France doesn't fly the 744 into BOS anymore, they fly the A343 regularly and the A332 seasonally.

[Edited 2010-11-20 07:41:18]


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User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6785 times:
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All of you need to keep in mind that DL does not compete with AF on these routes... they are all JV. But as a long term DeltaManiac medallion flyer, it will interesting to see how the DL metal can compete with the AF metal in terms of upgrades. Obviously, DL will not be offering the equivalent of AF's premium economy product any time soon.

User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6737 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 16):
So for BOS, DL-metal flight is in addition to the twice daily AF service ? and is it seasonnal ? We can guess it is as in winter AF is down to 1 daily flight.

AF drops the second flight even during the summer. So it is one DL and one AF flights. In fact, they are bookable on delta.com.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 18):
Is AF going to stick with the 744 on BOS-CDG, or 'downgrade' to a 777?

Per delta.com - the AF flight is on B744-400.

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 17):
How does the joint venture with BA help AA BOS-CDG? Maybe I am missing something.

Earning and redeeming miles. It provides greater flexibility to redeem OneWorld miles. Imagine you are flying BUD-BOS, and until the direct AA flight kicks in next summer, transfer in London would have been the only option. Now if you have BA miles you could redeem them on flights between Boston and Paris thus transfer via Paris gives you more options.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6656 times:

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 21):
premium economy product any time soon.



You are speaking out of turn, sir   That will in fact be here in 2011. My prediction is the entire international fleet will be complete by year's end of 2011. A 757 has already been retrofitted but I have no idea what the tail number is.



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User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6643 times:

Quoting AirFrance744 (Reply 20):
Air France doesn't fly the 744 into BOS anymore

Next summer AF will fly B744 to BOS again. I believe during the summer season it has always been B744 even with the second daily flight.


25 airlinerfanpgf : CDG-BOS is served by AF in winter with a daily Airbus flight. In summer 2 flights : 1 Airbus + 1 B-744.
26 EricR : I never said DL is adding competition, I said once the DL flight begins. The added seats on this route will not help yields. Yield pressure does not
27 airlinerfanpgf : With all those Flights out of CDG, will DL open a crew base (FAs) in France?
28 VS11 : Certainly NOT. Reason 1: AF is removing their second flight so overall there are less seats. There is no added capacity. Reason 2: How is earning/red
29 EricR : There is no connection, and I am not sure why you are bringing this up. You make the assumption that the only people that fly BOS-London are exclusiv
30 delimit : If the flight fills up with people using BA miles AA will not be happy.
31 Post contains images seamefly : Don't I wish !! But just like a lottery, I never win
32 VS11 : I was making the assumption that we were talking about the BOS-CDG route, not the impact of the DL BOS-CDG flight on the AA/BA BOS-LHR routes, and it
33 markboston : Am I the only person that HATES the use of 757s for flights to Europe? I don't care if the seats are the same--I will pay more to fly in widebody airc
34 B747forever : Have you flown on one across the Atlantic?
35 bobnwa : If we imagining BUD-CDG-BOS using One World Miles which carrier would be use BUD-CDG with mileage. If the person wanted to use up miles on OneWorld w
36 B747forever : Malev
37 bobnwa : Not part of the joint venture.
38 B747forever : Then how do they even make this route work? There is no feed at all at CDG. How about in BOS?
39 VS11 : That does not matter, Malev is still part of OneWorld. The AA/BA joint venture allows earning and sharing of AA/BA miles on services across the Atlan
40 panamair : Actually, per the DL press release about the seasonal BOS-CDG flight, the DL 757 flight will be the THIRD daily flight during the summer peak, which
41 VS11 : Well, for random dates in June, delta.com offered only the B744 flight on AF and the B757 flight on DL. Just tried to check the AF site but it is dow
42 OA412 : Indeed that is what it is showing for June. However, when you bring up dates in July through September 4th, all 3 flights are showing.
43 Post contains links and images goldorak : They still fly the 744 to BOS. It was here during all the last summer season at least for the last 3 or 4 summer seasons AF has flown 2 daily flights
44 Post contains images airbazar : Indeed. In the summer it's almost always a 744 and an A343.
45 RobertS975 : What is your source on the timeframe that you speak of?
46 Post contains images delimit : It was a post on Delta.net that was discussed here. It's been reported on by various blogs and stuff. The internet is your friend.
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