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Is JAL Returning To AMS?  
User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6077 times:

JAL has got daytime slots approved at AMS ( by airport ) from Summer 2011 onwards. Allocated amount 620, which is more than adequate for a daily flight if I'm not mistaken ( with 434 per daily ? ).
http://www.slotcoordination.nl/slot-...ts.asp?r=g11&ap=AMS&s=S2011&cmdOk=

[Edited 2010-11-20 03:06:16]


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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1316 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5694 times:

Slots are based on the previous summer season, so that's why JL is still listed despite they left AMS. Once the final list is online after January 31st you will notice that JL is not listed anymore.


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5671 times:

But will JL ever return to AMS? How did the flight perform while they operated it?


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User currently offlineNQYGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5107 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
But will JL ever return to AMS? How did the flight perform while they operated it?

Seemingly not that well..


User currently offlineklmd11l From New Zealand, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

Maybe they can make it work with the 787.


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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2963 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4817 times:
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Quoting NQYGuy (Reply 3):

Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
But will JL ever return to AMS? How did the flight perform while they operated it?

Seemingly not that well..

JAL are close to being insolvent.

Route in isolation did very well actually however JAL are bleeding money within Asia and on domestic services.

With them now within Oneworld they have also moved to consolidate their longer haul at just a few ports whilst stripping down domestic and regional and closing dedicated cargo for survival.

Will they return to Amsterdam not in the near term. IF they do return to growth expect the second Heathrow flight to return first to europe.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4765 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 1):
Slots are based on the previous summer season, so that's why JL is still listed despite they left AMS. Once the final list is online after January 31st you will notice that JL is not listed anymore.

Correct, for example MP still has pax flights (daily MIA etc.). However, we know that MP operate pax flights anymore during Summer 2010. Furthermore, the biggest indication that these slots will disappear is that the list includes JL cargo flights ex AMS. However we all know that JL has stopped dedicated cargo flights. Needless to say some airlines will scale back as the current number of requested (and "allocated") slots far exceeds the capacity for Summer 2011 (declared capacity is 285,000 slots against 305,000 requested/allocated slots).

[Edited 2010-11-20 13:28:41]

User currently offlineBOAC911 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Quoting klmd11l (Reply 4):
Maybe they can make it work with the 787.

Ha!! A plane that has been endlessly delayed, and has not yet completed a single commercial flight.


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4253 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
But will JL ever return to AMS?

Most probably yes, they will.

Quoting NQYGuy (Reply 3):
Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
But will JL ever return to AMS? How did the flight perform while they operated it?

Seemingly not that well..

Nonsense. AMS was actually among the most profitable stations in Europe for the last years. Flights had high loadfactors also. The markets excists, and KLM takes it all now since they put a higher frequency and 744 operations. Cargo was very important and AMS was the most important cargo airport for JL in Europe.



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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

I would love to see them return but JAL still has a lot of major surgery needed before it can grow back to its former size.

User currently offlineflyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 8):
Cargo was very important and AMS was the most important cargo airport for JL in Europe.

If AMS was the most important European cargo airport for JAL, why did they close it earlier then FRA?
It's still hard to understand that they complete close a "very profitable" station.

Mike


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4253 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Quoting flyingfool (Reply 10):
If AMS was the most important European cargo airport for JAL, why did they close it earlier then FRA?

AMS was decided to loose it's pax flights on 29Sep

JAL decided to shut down ALL cargo ops from 31Oct worldwide.

1 month keeping open offices and staff to operate 4 more weeks cargo flights doesn't make sense either.
Therefore AMS was axed completely on 29Sep.

Quoting flyingfool (Reply 10):
It's still hard to understand that they complete close a "very profitable" station.

Who said "very profitable"? Profitable is enough, but pax flights weren't always profitable by itself, but cargo loaded on these flights helped the revenue well.



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