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User currently offlinewill777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 174 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Out of curiosity, I was just looking at KE flights from ATL, and their website says that they have two daily flights!? I knew that they had one flight but I had no idea about the second one! One of them was on a 777-300ER and the other on a 777-200ER. Is there really this much demand from Atlanta to Korea? How do these flights perform on a regular basis?

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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

The morning flight (KE 35) operates 7 days a week and the equipment type depends on the day (744 on Sun/Mon/Wed/Fri and a 773 on Tues/Thurs/Sat.) There is an evening flight (KE 33) that operates according to the KE website, operates Tuesday, Thursday & Saturday and is flown by a 777-200.. If I remember correctly, the evening flight three times a week replaced DL's service on the route.

User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Remember KE has Delta funneling people from all over the southeast onto those flights. Also remember that KE runs a huge operation at ICN connecting people from the US to pretty much all of Asia.
This route is megahub to megahub.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7504 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

Quoting will777 (Thread starter):
Is there really this much demand from Atlanta to Korea?

The data I have seen shows that if this wasnt a megahub to megahub route, ATL could still support KE, albeit not daily. Roughly 3 to 4 weekly flights is what the ATL local market could support (to Korea and Asia) without the huge hub and not including what DL carriers through NRT.



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User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3575 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
The data I have seen shows that if this wasnt a megahub to megahub route, ATL could still support KE

No surprise there. Huge Korean population in NE suburbs. Flew this route a couple years ago and the 744 was packed to the gills both ways.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 1):
the evening flight three times a week replaced DL's service on the route.

That would explain it. When it was KE and DL IIRC both left around the same time, which struck me as less-than-ideal. Made for an easy decision during booking though...I'm a fan of yours, DL, but you got nothin' on the Asian carriers.

[Edited 2010-11-20 14:48:57 by srbmod]

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3505 times:

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 4):
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
The data I have seen shows that if this wasnt a megahub to megahub route, ATL could still support KE

No surprise there. Huge Korean population in NE suburbs.

Not to mention that little Hyundai plant down I-85 and I-65 south of Montgomery, Alabama. Not sure how many pax that facility is contributing each day, but quite obviously the Hyundai bosses like the ability to have direct travel options between production facilities.


User currently offlinenetjetandy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Kia also opened a manufacturing plant just outside Atlanta and will employ about 1000 people by the middle of next year.

I just love seeing the KE crew come through ATL. They are always so professionally dressed and all smiles like they just got up from an 8 hour sleep. By far one of the nicest uniforms in the industry.


User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 1):
If I remember correctly, the evening flight three times a week replaced DL's service on the route.

I'm not sure this is true - I think DL had dropped ATL-ICN for well over a year before KE went up to 10x weekly.


KE is pretty big out of ATL. They run 9 box-haulers a week out of South Cargo also.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7504 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting Frostbite (Reply 7):
I'm not sure this is true - I think DL had dropped ATL-ICN for well over a year before KE went up to 10x weekly.

Yeah. DL dropped ATL-ICN in 2008, KE just upgaged ATL a few weeks ago. I am a bit surprised they choose a night time departure as opposed to a day time one, but the late arrival into ATL will be nice (especially for the O&D).



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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Malaysia, joined Aug 2001, 3001 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2826 times:
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
Yeah. DL dropped ATL-ICN in 2008

IIRC it was dropped in August 2009. DL then started DTW-ICN several months afterward.



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User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Quoting Frostbite (Reply 7):
KE is pretty big out of ATL. They run 9 box-haulers a week out of South Cargo also.

It is 10 cargo flights a week.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
I am a bit surprised they choose a night time departure as opposed to a day time one, but the late arrival into ATL will be nice (especially for the O&D).

The late departure from ATL gives you more same day connections in ICN.

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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12902 posts, RR: 100
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2523 times:
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Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 4):
When it was KE and DL IIRC both left around the same time, which struck me as less-than-ideal.

You mean those multiple flights at the same time do not count as frequency.  
Quoting netjetandy (Reply 6):
Kia also opened a manufacturing plant just outside Atlanta and will employ about 1000 people by the middle of next year.

That fills, what, a plane a month.  

Ok, seriously, it is interesting that KE is doing this well at ATL. ATL is one of the 'not A380 ready' airports that I think would support the service. If KE is already flying 744s to ATL, it isn't that far to A388s. (In a few years of traffic growth, that is...).

I'm a believer that there is a 'customer preferred time' (e.g., the time KE and DL both used to fly) and at least one (often more) 'frequency times' required by business travelers. I could see 'big metal' and 788s to ATL. Note: I'm not certain that ATL will ever become A388 ready.   Also note that I have a *very* short list of airports that will not become A380 ready that would support the service (I could count them on one hand.)

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User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

Quoting N757KW (Reply 10):
It is 10 cargo flights a week.

Wow. Lots of lift between ATL and Korea - and Asiana Cargo recently started a 4x weekly service of its own.

I wonder how much of this capacity serves the auto manufacturing plants referred to earlier in this thread...


User currently offlineswissair4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

KE does very very well out of ATL.

They originally started the flight 3x/week on SEL-ATL via SFO, then later DFW and ORD as intermediate stops with 747 and 777. They then went non-stop.

Now 7x week 744/773ER and 3x week 777. Yields are high, and cargo goes full even with dedicated freighter service. They used to have a ticketing office on Powers Ferry that had quite a bit of direct sales, and if you have ever been around ATL (especially the Buford Hwy area) you know that the Korean diaspora is HUGE in that area of the country...and the whole Southeast for that matter.

Lots of pax connect to SGN/HAN/PEK/SHA/CGK and even BOM to name some.


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