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United Adds Service To Lima Peru  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25437 posts, RR: 49
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 15847 times:

Effective February 17th, United Airlines will commence operating a daily SFO-IAH-LIM service utilizing 2-class B767-300 equipment.

UA854 SFO-IAH 0835-1416 763
UA854 IAH-LIM 1550-2325 763

UA855 LIM-IAH 0055-0630 763
UA855 IAH-SFO 0900-1121 763

Flights available in GDS today.
This service will replace current Continental IAH-LIM B757 flight


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User currently offlinelaphroig From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15829 times:

2-class 767-300? Interesting. That would indicate they are going to use the high density domestic/Hawaii aircraft for this run. Pretty ugly 1st class for international flying.

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15790 times:

Lima is no destination for overpriced tickets, right choice.

User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 730 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15701 times:

Yes, interesting indeed. This is the first time that I can recall UA offering a two-class international service, other than to Canada, Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean.

I am sure this is the first of many such int'l routes we'll see as UA combines their 3-class int'l product offering with CO's 2-class. Given that Lima is a heavily tourist market, though, I'm not going to start predicting gloom-and-doom and the end of 3-class service based on this one route alone.

Quoting laphroig (Reply 1):
Pretty ugly 1st class for international flying.

The refurbished F cabins aren't too bad, although legroom isn't the greatest and they obviously aren't the lay-flat sleeper seats. I don't have GDS access to confirm, but my guess is UA will market it as business class instead of first, as they do with their MEX and Caribbean two-cabin flights.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8376 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15634 times:
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Quoting UALFAson (Reply 3):
Yes, interesting indeed. This is the first time that I can recall UA offering a two-class international service, other than to Canada, Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean.

Lima has always been flown by 2 class plane vs. the 3 class type used to EZE, GRU and SCL is rare to Peru. From Miami, Lima has always been flown by 2 class domestic configured planes, no lie flat seats. Lima is a 757 destination from Miami, not a 767 or 777.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25437 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15614 times:

Quoting laphroig (Reply 1):
Pretty ugly 1st class for international flying.

Its sold as Business Class, and really not much different than what some competitors use to LIM (eg AA and its 757s)

With the 763, United adds capacity to an established CO market, while gaining use of a containerized aircraft for cargo in the market also.

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 3):
but my guess is UA will market it as business class instead of first, as they do with their MEX and Caribbean two-cabin flights.

   Indeed its sold as C class.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9652 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15620 times:

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 3):

The refurbished F cabins aren't too bad, although legroom isn't the greatest and they obviously aren't the lay-flat sleeper seats. I don't have GDS access to confirm, but my guess is UA will market it as business class instead of first, as they do with their MEX and Caribbean two-cabin flights.

When were the first class cabins refurbished? They are still 38 inch pitch standard (but narrower) first class seats that have been flying for many years.

Lima sees a mix of domestic quality first class (AA 757) and international business (DL 764, AA 763). While they might lose some high revenue first class customers, the higher economy capacity and first class designed for lower yields might work out well. However some flights from Lima to the US are overnight redeye flights where lie flat seats are appreciated.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15590 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
With the 763, United adds capacity to an established CO market, while gaining use of a containerized aircraft for cargo in the market also.

Always a huge plus that's overlooked by F class-o-philes who seem to think if it doesn't have lie-flat and a 52" flat panel for IFE, the route is doomed.

Interesting to see the routing technically begins in SFO; does anyone have any insight into this other than the presence of the Hawaii-West Coast 763s? Could they have theoretically run it from DEN or LAX as well?

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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8822 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15593 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Effective February 17th, United Airlines will commence operating a daily SFO-IAH-LIM service utilizing 2-class B767-300 equipment.

That is great news for UA. I can see why UA would route this service via IAH, instead of via LAX. After all, UA will be competing with LAN, which operates both SFO-LIM and LAX-LIM as non-stop services.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
From Miami, Lima has always been flown by 2 class domestic configured planes, no lie flat seats. Lima is a 757 destination from Miami, not a 767 or 777.

AA deploys the B763 DAILY on the MIA-LIM route, (AA has flat-beds in Business). All of LAN's B763s feature flat-beds in Business Class as well.


User currently offlineLanPeru From Peru, joined Jun 2001, 645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15536 times:

LOVE IT!

I am very happy to hear this news, last time "United" was in Lima it was with a 757, and a LONG time ago. Coming back with a 767-300 is great. It's true, LIM is not a very premium market. Most Peruvians want to just get home, and most tourists just want to get to Peru! As far as businessmen go, even if the flight isn't the most luxurious, they get their pampering once they are on the ground. Very cool, so we will see UA/CO sending the 757 from EWR and the 763 from SFO/IAH. Cool!

Are there any other plans of expanded service?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25437 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15516 times:

I think the SFO point of origin has to do with broader upgauge of SFO-IAH services that will take place linking the hubs to better to facilitate things like Asia connections.


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User currently offlineOH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 15159 times:

And it's also with the scheduling noted in the original post, it's easy to pull this plane off of a Hawaii red-eye arrival and turning for an early afternoon Hawaii departure (most likely HNL both ways). Interestingly, the UA metal plane that grabs all of the Asia connections operates as well just a little over two hours later.


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User currently offlineiahflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 14927 times:

So which terminal will this flight use? No problem using C coming from SFO, but from LIM D or E?


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 14811 times:

Love to see the cross fleeting...can't wait to see more of this...

I would imagine that UA's business class on their 2-class 763s are similar to CO's current business class on their 762s and 764s???

Since CO's 762s and 764s are planned to be upgraded to lie flat, I wonder if this means UA will keep a subfleet of 2-class 763s and upgrade them to lie flat as well and start to use them on more second tier international destinations...and...since the upgrade for the 764s hasn't begun, could those become 3-class???


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7625 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 14815 times:

So in essence, this is just an upgrade on IAH-LIM?

Not surprised. It does well from what Ive heard.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8822 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 14599 times:
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
So in essence, this is just an upgrade on IAH-LIM?

Yep, it's just another upgrade on the route. Next month, CO will deploy the B753 on the IAH-LIM route, instead of the B752.


User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 14579 times:

From what I remember, CO has only used 752s for IAH-LIM service, for many years well before lie-flat J seating, and did fine with 24 domestic first seats, as opposed to the current 16 J.

UA using two-class 767-322s upgrades the route perfectly -- more J and Y seating, cargo load increase + containerisation, and ongoing connections from SFO and Asia.

Will UA 767 metal soon fly IAH-SJO? CO fills 752s and -3s there all the time.

This is a preview of things to come over the Atlantic.


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 14550 times:

since they are downgrading the C product, I hope that they are bringing back the free upgrades.

User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 14100 times:

   to all those people that said IAH would not see any domestic widebodies.


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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13829 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 13):
Since CO's 762s and 764s are planned to be upgraded to lie flat, I wonder if this means UA will keep a subfleet of 2-class 763s and upgrade them to lie flat as well and start to use them on more second tier international destinations...and...since the upgrade for the 764s hasn't begun, could those become 3-class???

They have not confirmed plans for the 762's and 764's to be upgraded to lie-flat.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 17):
since they are downgrading the C product, I hope that they are bringing back the free upgrades.

Doubtful



Notice that they are specifically rotating the aircraft to SFO so it will not be based in IAH. Any more crossfleeting in the near future will have to be done in a similar fashion (i.e. ORD-IAH-SJO)


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13792 times:

Exciting news, can't wait to see cross fleeting in full implementation. This also frees up a Businessfirst equipped 757, which might be an indication that some new trans-Atlantic 757 flying will coming this Spring. Most likely from IAD and possibly ORD.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
So in essence, this is just an upgrade on IAH-LIM?

And SFO-IAH.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 16):
From what I remember, CO has only used 752s for IAH-LIM service,

CO has flown 753s into LIM from IAH.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13666 times:
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Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 17):
since they are downgrading the C product, I hope that they are bringing back the free upgrades.

Downgrading what? UA's transcon "C" is pretty damn bad as it is. How much worse can it go?

Will the inflight service still be "international" in regards to catering, etc..?


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13624 times:
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Interesting change and upgauge. Could we expect similar moves to CCS and BOG for example ?


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25437 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13624 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
When were the first class cabins refurbished?

The 767 MD's got a cabin refresh in the last 2-years. F class seats got reupholstered in leather, new LCD monitors, DVR entertainment system, new Y class decor, new carpets, etc..
They look more contemporary these days.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 8):
AA deploys the B763 DAILY on the MIA-LIM route, (AA has flat-beds in Business).

And AA also runs daily 757s to LIM, with regular domestic product. At the end of the day LIM is not much of a premium market, so having basically a US domestic product works fine.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
So in essence, this is just an upgrade on IAH-LIM?

Not exactly.

This is not CO590/591 simply "operated by United", but fully a United service with ticketing and customer service policies per United procedures, and handling split and provided according to UA standards.
Should be interesting for the folks at IAH as they will get to see a 763 for the first time, and CO LIM staff will need to be trained on UA's IT systems and brought up to speed on UA policies.
I suppose this little flight could be a incubator for future joint ops.



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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13594 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 20):
CO has flown 753s into LIM from IAH.

With the same 24 domestic First seating they used to have on -224s. That shows how CO doesn't regard LIM as a BF-only destination.

These 753s could easily replace California-Hawaii 763s for UA, and how!

Crossfleeting = yay!


25 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : There isn't very much premium traffic to Lima anyway i think its a market product choice more than something you'll see alot. It probably benefits UA
26 Style : The 764 has in fact been said that it will be getting lie-flat seats. The 762 on the other hand seems to be a big question mark. Interesting move her
27 Post contains links and images thomasphoto60 : BTW, IAH has seen it's share of 763s! View Large View MediumPhoto © Nathan Zalcman - AirTeamImagesView Large View MediumPhoto © Kent ScottView Larg
28 TOMMY767 : This is SMART! Good for UA and this new route. I'm sure it will do well
29 SCL767 : AA operates only one B752 service into LIM daily. AA also code-shares with LA/LP. AA/LAN will soon operate 20 weekly non-stop B763 flights between MI
30 no1racer : I guess that this will be the first "non-Continental" arrival into Terminal E. They may run the rest of the movement (SFO-IAH-LIM) and (IAH-SFO) from
31 usflyer msp : IAH-LIM is going from a proper international C-class product on CO 752's to UA 763's with a domestic F-cabin that doesn't even have PTV's. That is de
32 jetsetter629 : While we are on the topic of LIM, how does EWR-LIM perform? Will they keep this route or drop it in favor of IAD-LIM?
33 Schweigend : Really, on flights under six hours, I value excellent table service over IFE or lie-flats. J/C on a 737 or 757 to or from Lima/Hawaii would be just f
34 TOMMY767 : Nothing wrong with UA domestic/high density 763s. I was on one from LAX-ORD last year in F and the seats were very comfortable up front. Definitely b
35 LAXintl : I'm talking about the United station staff.
36 PacificClipper : Everyone is very concerned about the up or downgrade of the premium cabin however the forum has overlooked the fact that economy travelers (and elites
37 dutchflyboi : The 762 is getting it as well. According to CO's website, it's suppose to be completed, like the 764 by the end of June 2012.[Edited 2010-11-20 20:43
38 amwest2united : They have the domestic 763 doing runs like SFO-IAD-ORD-DEN-IAD-SFO, so I would imagine they will pull it off the Mainline flying, also, they may pull
39 drerx7 : With the bird coming from SFO - this bird probably is coming in as a red eye from the islands. The return gets to SFO in time to be rotated back thro
40 CALPSAFltSkeds : Beautiful as a through flight from SFO hub and great utilization. If the 1121 arrival in SFO can turn to a late originator, then the utilization on t
41 usflyer msp : I would beg to differ. On any long overnight flight such as LIM-IAH I would much prefer the lie flat seats and PTV's. BTW, IAH-LIM is 6.5 hours. Flyi
42 laca773 : I hope UA will keep the CO level of catering on this international flight as CO's C/J and domestic F is much much better than anything UA has on offer
43 STT757 : As discussed in a previous thread UA gets less utlization out of it's widebody fleet (particularly their 763s) than CO. There are some reasons for tha
44 yellowtail : The "asparagus express".....just ask DL
45 CODC10 : This program will be underway in early 2011, once the last 777 is completed. 12 of 16 764s will receive the flat beds, all but the GUM-based ships. A
46 TOMMY767 : AA? Doesn't AA fly the dilapidated domestic 757s between MIA-LIM? I'll agree with you on the upgrade policy as that sucks but it's the same policy on
47 Avianca : this has much to do with the high cargo demand ex LIM, CO is already moving a lot of cargo ex LIM even on the 757! Very good news. saludos Avianca
48 drerx7 : SFO-IAH-LIM will probably use Terminal C north or Terminal E; but LIM-IAH-SFO would use Terminal E. Terminal D is also an option. Can't wait to see wh
49 BACCALA : On the CO website you cant book a nonstop from IAH-LIM after the 17th it routes it through EWR or CLE-EWR LIM, when will you be able to se the UA 763
50 CALPSAFltSkeds : I meant the international F product won't be sold. I believe CO has run the 753 to LIM previously and it's not directly linked to lie flats on the 75
51 Schweigend : For me, even a nine-hour overnight flight is iffy in terms of requiring a lie-flat. A proper reclining seat with a great footrest does fine. After di
52 SJOtoLIR : CO IAH-SJO sometimes did operate as 28x weekly with 737 equipment; specially during the US summer break. . Lima gets a different characteristic as pa
53 as739x : According to employee listing it will be a 2 class 767
54 usflyer msp : I was not suggesting that UA use a 3-class 763. LIM is very poorly suited for such a low-density aircraft. I just hope that, since UA is using domest
55 laphroig : Ya but the domestic config UA birds dont have a proper reclining seat with any footrest at all. OK it reclines. I think it may still make sense for t
56 Post contains images Schweigend : So, enhanced asparagus cargo action aside, the LIM question becomes, Does it merit a premium front cabin, and if so, what kind of seating is optimal?
57 CODC10 : EWR-LIM is exclusively 757 on CO.
58 fun2fly : All agree the 764 will get refitted. Some speculation on a config change on the 762 as it is heavy BF w/25 seats. I like the crossfleeting and this c
59 drerx7 : Per Houstonspotters.net 855 arrives at IAH ,630 @Terminal E, from which then they will tug it around to C21 where it will depart to SFO@ 9:00. 854 com
60 STT757 : CO has 21 757-300s, of those 12 (the former ATA aircraft) are ETOPS. The nine delivered new to CO are not ETOPS.
61 2travel2know2 : Why the need to tug the aircraft from an E gate to C when domestic departures are possible from IAH terminal E too?
62 Cubsrule : Where would the 77As go?
63 COalways : Might be because Aren't those United gates at C21 and there Computer are there to scan tickets and etc...?
64 2travel2know2 : Eventually there'll be.. But it's really that hard @ IAH to place a UA computer and ticket scaner on an E gate check-in counter? Sure it's much cheap
65 drerx7 : Probably not till customer day one though.
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