xdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 532 posts, RR: 1 Posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4168 times:
AA/Eagle finally announced taking about a dozen ERJ to be based in MIA.
Is it possible since the ATR replacement has not been announced AA plans to shift some Eagle ERJ
traffic to handle the Bahamas out of MIA, and perhaps island hop thru out the Caribbean.
SJU could be converted to an ERJ/HUB and cover the entire region with 50 seaters.
flyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 851 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4135 times:
I think the cargo abilities of the ERJ would be lacking for the Caribbean operation. I think a more likely scenario is the complete exit of the SJU hub and walking away from Caribbean based flying by Eagle
GlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 601 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3654 times:
SJU will only have flights to DFW, JFK, MIA, and ORD come next summer. No RJs to SJU, unless it involves a MIA shuttle every 5 minutes!
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6296 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3417 times:
Are the ATR's going away? Why not get the new version of the ATR. They are the perfect aircraft for the type of flying they do. The ERJ would not make as much money as the ATR on Miami-Bahamas routes for two reasons the ATR is more economical and cargo room.
I dont see why all the ATR flying in SJU will go away any time soon. There will still be feed to fill up the ATRs, there is plenty of cargo and a good amount of the airports served from SJU with the ATR that cant support an ERJ flight or a non-stop from MIA. There is still a decent amount of O/D to San Juan to many of the islands since SJU is the largest city of the region. Sure SJU is not the hub it used to be since AA has pushed much of the main landbased passengers to the larger islands to just connect in MIA. But there are still islands that can not support non-stops to MIA but still demand service for cargo and passengers to SJU, and these flights still make money. I do not see the ATR's going anywhere any time soon especially with high oil prices.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
SJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 271 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3316 times:
Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 3): SJU will only have flights
to DFW, JFK, MIA, and ORD come next summer. No RJs to SJU, unless it involves a MIA shuttle every 5 minutes!
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2654 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2892 times:
"I think the cargo abilities of the ERJ would be lacking for the Caribbean operation. I think a more likely scenario is the complete exit of the SJU hub and walking away from Caribbean based flying by Eagle "
One of the better posts I have seen on here in a long time.
ERJ can't do the cargo hauls on the SJU flying. Also, ATRs are actually operated under a different certificate (Executive) This allows for int'l flag rules.
flyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 851 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2781 times:
Quoting flymia (Reply 4): Are the ATR's going away? Why not get the new version of the ATR. They are the perfect aircraft for the type of flying they do. The ERJ would not make as much money as the ATR on Miami-Bahamas routes for two reasons the ATR is more economical and cargo room.
I'll bet the ATRs stick around for 2-3 more years, but probably not in SJU. MIA/DFW expansion perhaps? Beyond that, who knows what will happen with American Eagle as an airline, let alone what will happen to their ATRs and the need for a replacement aircraft.
Quoting flymia (Reply 4): Sure SJU is not the hub it used to be since AA has pushed much of the main landbased passengers to the larger islands to just connect in MIA. But there are still islands that can not support non-stops to MIA but still demand service for cargo and passengers to SJU, and these flights still make money. I do not see the ATR's going anywhere any time soon especially with high oil prices.
You said it yourself, with AA building up the MIA to Caribbean ex-SJU destinations there is less and less need for a pax to connect MIA-SJU-XYZ. Same deal with cargo to the Caribbean.
There really arent that many destinations served by AE ATRs that couldnt support a MIA flight, and/or are worth maintaining an ATR hub in SJU to cover those few destinations. From what I have read, the SJU economy has been hurting, along with the rest of the country, and that effects the intra-Caribbean traffic as well.
I really really wish the AE ATRs would stick around the Caribbean, but it just doesnt look good from here. Unless there was some really crazy structural change like AE being divested and providing codeshare feed for B6 in/out of SJU. But I really think that is wishful thinking more than anything.
xdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 532 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2517 times:
Everyone mentions the CARGO Capabilities or lack thereoff!!! AA had over 50 departures not long ago in
SJU, more than 30% on A300 with a great CARGO network... What happened?? The Cargo was not enough
reason not to walk away from SJU and strenghthen MIA.
According to the Spring schedules there are only 6-8 ATR left in SJU .... I am talking about retaining some market
by utilizing the facilities in SJU. A lot of the 50 Seat flying in the N.American network is being upgaged or retired.
If redeploying RJ to SJU provides market retention and network flexibility, why not try something
that captures the Intra Caribbean market.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2391 times:
Quoting flymia (Reply 4): But there are still islands that can not support non-stops to MIA but still demand service for cargo and passengers to SJU, and these flights still make money. I do not see the ATR's going anywhere any time soon especially with high oil prices.
The ATRs will still be flying throughout the Eastern Caribbean next Summer. American Eagle will continue to operate into DOM, EIS and SLU; which cannot currently handle jet-service. Also, both FDF and PTP are thin routes that cannot currently be served from MIA. Eagle's services into ANU/BGI/GND/SDQ/SKB/SXM via SJU preform very well.
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5159 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2341 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 7): "I think the cargo abilities of the ERJ would be lacking for the Caribbean operation. I think a more likely scenario is the complete exit of the SJU hub and walking away from Caribbean based flying by Eagle "
And even more likely scenario is a handshake deal with B6 in SJU.
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FXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7023 posts, RR: 93 Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2324 times:
Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 3): SJU will only have flights to DFW, JFK, MIA, and ORD come next summer. No RJs to SJU, unless it involves a MIA shuttle every 5 minutes!
A vision of it's former self when I came through there on Wednesday. Saw 2 other ATRs on the ramp when I arrived and no 757s until leaving for MIA. Chalk it up with SJC & RDU.
xdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 532 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1930 times:
I saw it happen to PA & then EA in SJU.... in the early 80's AA came and made SJU a true hub,
with a great synergy connecting Caribbean traffic with NONSTOPS to the mainland...
The big difference this time is that AA has AA/Eagle, and they could actually downsize it to
profitability. But they choose not to, someone mentioned with a handshake agreement with B6
they have signed off SJU to just a destination.
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