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User currently offlineairtechy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 463 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10945 times:

Now that the flight attendant union has been voted out at Delta, how will this affect the flight attendant bases? I seem to remember the Narita base was partitioned by union rules. Also, anyone have any thoughts on possible new overseas bases? It would seem that any overseas base would have to be at a hub and....I think...Narita is the only one.

Jim

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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7387 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10390 times:
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At this point, everything is up in the air. Whatever Delta decides to do, depends largely on how it plans to position it's overseas interests. DL doesn't have a history of keeping foreign bases or hubs. They dismantled the Frankfurt hub it inherited from Pan Am and as such, the FRA flight attendant base was shut down. I think the attempt to link up with JAL was an attempt to get out of the NRT hub that we operated for so long(at NWA), and that DL would've eventually decreased it's own presence there.
The NRT inflight base is one of uniqueness. The FAs based there fall under different catagories. Their are certain FAs that are full-time FAs and there are those who are part-time FAs(757 interport flights only) who also are Inflight Service Representatives or more commonly called Interpretors(ISFRs) in which they only fly to the US on nonstop flights to/from the Japan(we also have them out of PEK/PVG/HKG/ICN). They presently are there for language assistance for non-English speaking customers aboard the flight. But since the inception of the Language-of Destination(LOD) programme, they've since become redundant in that aspect. The ISFRs contract ends in March 2011 and they don't expect DL to renew the contract. In which many could be furloughed or reassigned to another department. The full-time FAs in NRT are very senior. The most junior being 24 years of seniority. They make a substantial salary and cannot be furloughed as long as NWA(now DL) has part-time FAs working.
We also have interport FAs based in PVG/SIN/ICN/MNL/PEK/BKK/HKG, but because of different contract disputes, they don't fly anywhere but south and west of Tokyo. We are a non-contract employee group and DL could conceivably do whatever they want. DL has a very pro company labor group that has, time and time again voted to keep unions off the property and they have done it with overwhelming support of most of it's flight attendants. DL knows that it's greatest efficiency in labor costs is the fact that they don't have unions(other than the pilots) who tend to drive up costs. Now it isn't a big deal when times are good, but it's an immense obstacle when the industry is in a tailspin. Bottom line, if DL was to take a harsh approach with it's non-union workforce, most of those group would vote in a union tomorrow. But DL mgmt's approach is the possibility of a union is a far greater threat than actually having one. In the days of NWA, the mgmt was very much against having actual foreign bases because it was high cost(due to the Cost-of-Living-Allowance stipulation in our contract) and because our labor contract prohibited foreign FAs from flying trios to/from the US. We did have an international base, but that was only HNL. That was the first "foreign" base and that was blueprint that mgmt got as to how expensive our contract would've made it had we been able to transfer to a base in Asia or if one was opened in AMS. AMS was explored at one point, but NWA never seriously considered it as were limited by KLM on how much onward flying we could do out of AMS. That made it an unjustified expense NWA wasn't willing to shell out money for it. Would their be enough interest in a foreign base? I don't think DL would have a problem finding people willing to transfer overseas if it was an option. The only question is, how would they structure it, paywise?



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User currently offlineocracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 1):
DL doesn't have a history of keeping foreign bases or hubs. They dismantled the Frankfurt hub it inherited from Pan Am and as such, the FRA flight attendant base was shut down.

Off of the top of my head, DL inherited 3 bases from PA: DEL, BOM, WAW. They never had a flight attendant base at FRA. It was flown by WAW flight attendants. UA (I believe) has a base at FRA.
When DL shut down the FRA hub in 1997, they tried to get the WAW flight attendants visas to work in the USA. As far as I remember, they did get them, the INS later refused them, it went to a court case, and eventually the US government let the WAW flight attendants stay and work in the US. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
The DEL base closed when DL pulled out of FRA-DEL. The BOM base continued on when FRA-BOM was moved to CDG-BOM, but when that was moved to JFK-BOM, DL made the decision to staff the new flight with USA flight attendants, and closed the BOM base.


User currently offlineusafdo From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9937 times:

DL should fire all the foreign F/A's outside of the US that are not US citizens so that they don't displace US American Citizens!

DL is an American company, and there are pleanty of foreign speaking US citizens to fill the LOD positions.


User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9935 times:

Quoting ocracoke (Reply 2):
Off of the top of my head, DL inherited 3 bases from PA: DEL, BOM, WAW. They never had a flight attendant base at FRA. It was flown by WAW flight attendants. UA (I believe) has a base at FRA.
When DL shut down the FRA hub in 1997, they tried to get the WAW flight attendants visas to work in the USA. As far as I remember, they did get them, the INS later refused them, it went to a court case, and eventually the US government let the WAW flight attendants stay and work in the US. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
The DEL base closed when DL pulled out of FRA-DEL. The BOM base continued on when FRA-BOM was moved to CDG-BOM, but when that was moved to JFK-BOM, DL made the decision to staff the new flight with USA flight attendants, and closed the BOM base.

Yes, UA has a FRA base that opened up in 1996. They also have a LHR base they inherited from PA. And used to have a base in CDG. The CDG base was closed a couple of years ago.

DL actually inherited 4 bases from PA: DEL, BOM, WAW and TLV.

The TLV base didn't last long with DL. It only covered the daily CDG-TLV-CDG flight and became redundant when DL pulled out of TLV.

DL in fact had a few Inflight interpreters based in FRA who assisted with language qualification on some of the intra-European routes on the 727 staffed with WAW FA's. But that was also short-lived.

You're correct about the closure of the WAW base and the transfer of the Polish FA's to JFK. Eventually after they went to court the Polish FA's were allowed to stay in the US, as the court decided neither DL as a company nor the FA's made any gross errors or gave false information when applying for the visas (and without that a visa once granted can't be revoked).

When the DEL base closed when DL pulled out of DEL many FA's (they were all former PA) got on with UA out of LHR as they opened up their short-lived LHR-DEL route.

You're totally 100% correct about the history of the BOM base.

DL also used to have a very, very short-lived FA base in MAA, when they began flying CDG-MAA.

I'd love to see DL opening up overseas FA bases. I know I'll get flamed for this by most US users, but still I'd love to see them opening an AMS or CDG base! I'd love to work for DL out of Europe. I just LOVE DL!!!

Best regards

L1011Lover


User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9897 times:

Quoting usafdo (Reply 3):
DL should fire all the foreign F/A's outside of the US that are not US citizens so that they don't displace US American Citizens!

DL is an American company, and there are pleanty of foreign speaking US citizens to fill the LOD positions.

That sounds harsh! And is also complete nonsense!

DL is an American company but still an international carrier!

Most international carriers have foreign based FA's!

UA has bases in LHR, FRA, HKG and NRT

LH has bases in NRT, DEL and BKK

BA has a couple of foreign bases! So do other European and Asian carriers!

So vice versa, there are Asian and European carriers who employ US based workers. IB for instance used to have American FA's in MIA, EI recently opened a FA base in IAD and many, many foreign Cargo Airlines have US based pilots.

It's a win win situation.

If you expect DL to fire all foreign based employees do you think all foreign companies should fire US workers??? Think of it! It should be the same for all then!!! And that would cost may, many US jobs! You're not isolated from the rest of the world!


User currently offlineairtechy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9815 times:

Jetjack74....and others. Thanks for the history! I first flew Delta in 1966 on one of their last few DC-7 flights from Knoxville to Atlanta and have been a "fan" ever since. It will be really interesting to see how the airline evolves in the next few years. I fly Delta through Narita to Bangkok regularly so that description of the staffing was very interesting.

Jim


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 993 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9612 times:

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 5):
Quoting usafdo (Reply 3):
DL should fire all the foreign F/A's outside of the US that are not US citizens so that they don't displace US American Citizens!

DL is an American company, and there are pleanty of foreign speaking US citizens to fill the LOD positions.

That sounds harsh! And is also complete nonsense!

DL is an American company but still an international carrier!

Agreed, not to mention it would be ridiculous to force crews to commute halfway around the world. So what if the FAs are foreign? They're still making money for an American airline, and more importantly, it's far cheaper to hire a local FA at a foreign base than sending an American. It also diversifies the airline and truly gives it the image of an international airline -- one that isn't just staffed by people with southern accents (not that there's anything wrong with that!). Besides, I hardly consider this to be outsourcing when it is not on a large scale. I'd save that argument for when an airline decides to base all of its FAs in China.



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User currently offlinepqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 9495 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 7):
Agreed, not to mention it would be ridiculous to force crews to commute halfway around the world. So what if the FAs are foreign? They're still making money for an American airline, and more importantly, it's far cheaper to hire a local FA at a foreign base than sending an American. It also diversifies the airline and truly gives it the image of an international airline -- one that isn't just staffed by people with southern accents (not that there's anything wrong with that!). Besides, I hardly consider this to be outsourcing when it is not on a large scale. I'd save that argument for when an airline decides to base all of its FAs in China.

I agree as well that that the original statement was harsh, regarding firing all non-US based employees. Although I don't advocate for the hiring of foreign nationals, these bases are a long-established presence, with loyal employees, many who have been working for Delta (Northwest) for 20+ and in some cases 30+ years! That's like saying that Toyota should close their plants in the US because they're a Japanese company and shouldn't employee Americans...

As a Delta flight attendant (and former NW flight attendant), I can tell you that these men and women who are based in Asia are some of the finest flight attendants that we have in the system. There are around 400 of them total. Although I do NOT advocate increased outsourcing, I do advocate for staus quo, and hope that they are retained.


User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1486 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 9316 times:

That's not really outsourcing, though, that's just having foreign employees, and what is the issue exactly?

User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7387 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 8974 times:
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Quoting usafdo (Reply 3):
DL should fire all the foreign F/A's outside of the US that are not US citizens so that they don't displace US American Citizens!

DL is an American company, and there are pleanty of foreign speaking US citizens to fill the LOD positions.

Furthermore, I don't get this animosity towards "non-citizens" working for an American company. Lots our employees are not citizens of this country, but are legal residences of this country with a legitimate right to work here. That being said, I don't think it's fair to take flying away from the US based crew members or take away the flying that the transpacific that is warranted. Having the LOD programme I think is a legitimate reason to do away with the ISFR

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 4):
Quoting ocracoke (Reply 2):

Thank you for the correction, I wasn't exactly sure what foreign bases DL had since I'm former NWA, but I knew they inherited some foreign bases that were eventually closed



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User currently offlineSquid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 8908 times:

Personally, now that the FA union vote is done, and DL will remain union free for a least a year or two, I see this as the perfect opportunity for DL to take advantage of this situation, and completely overhaul their entire Trans-Pac network by eliminating ALL U.S. based FA's on those routes and replace them with Foreign FA's from Asia. In one fell swoop, DL could eliminate the older, less attractive, english-only speaking FA's that plague their performance and in-flight service scores against their competitors such as Thai, Cathay, and others, and begin hiring young, attractive, multi-lingual FA's that many foregin business passengers love to rave about. In my opinion, along with the complete re-ferbishmnet of the long-haul fleet with lie-flat suits, this would be the final piece needed to complete DL's new image and product across the Pacific, thus bringing them in-line with their foreign counter-parts.

User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1486 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 8869 times:

Those "older, less attractive" flight attendants have the benefit of being extremely experienced. Some of them give consistently fantastic service. In fact, I generally find senior flight attendants regularly outshine their junior counterparts. They've moved beyond doing things by rote and understand that truly good service should be tailored by what they've learned from years of flying rather than just what's in the manual.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 8848 times:

Quoting Squid (Reply 11):

Are you serious? I normally don't even comment on posts like these but, wow. Do you even have a clue that most of the F/As staffing these flights are LOD?



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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 8762 times:

Quoting Squid (Reply 11):
Personally, now that the FA union vote is done, and DL will remain union free for a least a year or two, I see this as the perfect opportunity for DL to take advantage of this situation, and completely overhaul their entire Trans-Pac network by eliminating ALL U.S. based FA's on those routes and replace them with Foreign FA's from Asia. In one fell swoop, DL could eliminate the older, less attractive, english-only speaking FA's that plague their performance and in-flight service scores against their competitors such as Thai, Cathay, and others, and begin hiring young, attractive, multi-lingual FA's that many foregin business passengers love to rave about. In my opinion, along with the complete re-ferbishmnet of the long-haul fleet with lie-flat suits, this would be the final piece needed to complete DL's new image and product across the Pacific, thus bringing them in-line with their foreign counter-parts.

What a completely biased and unjust statement. If they did this, AFA would be on property in a heartbeat IMHO...



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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 8657 times:

Quoting Squid (Reply 11):
Personally, now that the FA union vote is done, and DL will remain union free for a least a year or two, I see this as the perfect opportunity for DL to take advantage of this situation, and completely overhaul their entire Trans-Pac network by eliminating ALL U.S. based FA's on those routes and replace them with Foreign FA's from Asia. In one fell swoop, DL could eliminate the older, less attractive, english-only speaking FA's that plague their performance and in-flight service scores against their competitors such as Thai, Cathay, and others, and begin hiring young, attractive, multi-lingual FA's that many foregin business passengers love to rave about.



So, you think Delta should discriminate on age and race? Interesting. Good luck with that.


User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7387 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 8550 times:
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Quoting delimit (Reply 12):
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 13):
Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 14):
Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 15):

Don't pay attention to that ignoramous. He has something against US based FAs, and probably thinks he'll score with a PacDiv FA. That's one reason why he'll never get into the airlines. See how he feels when people start advocating for his replacement, which judging by his post would be very quick. And anyway, they wouldn't pay any attention to you.

If DL was silly enough to do that, the unions would back on the property in a second. DL mgmt knows that being non union is the best situation to be in. Being a non-union workforce would be much less complicated than positioning an all-interport crew to the US and therefore would trump the operating costs associated with it. Biggest reason, they would have to double the size of Pacific Division. Just wouldn't work.

[Edited 2010-11-22 18:46:41]


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 8473 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 16):
If DL was silly enough to do that, the unions would back on the property in a second. DL mgmt knows that being non union is the best situation to be in. Being a non-union workforce would be much less complicated than positioning an all-interport crew to the US and therefore would trump the operating costs associated with it. Biggest reason, they would have to double the size of Pacific Division. Just wouldn't work.



Agreed. Like I said I usually don't feed the trolls but I was so taken back.

Personally, I think the FN bases will close at some point and DL will rotate LAX/SEA/ATL/etc F/As through NRT and the far east. Their track record doesn't support them keeping an inherited FN base.



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User currently offlinepqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 8466 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
Agreed. Like I said I usually don't feed the trolls but I was so taken back.

It's been a common theme with him over the years... Do a search on his old posts. His age is 26-35, but his chauvinism is more reminiscent of the 1950's.

Hopefully he'll get outsourced or gender-discriminated or age-discriminated (for not being cosmetically appealing enough anymore) at some point in his life so he can see the value of his wisdom.


User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 8403 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
Personally, I think the FN bases will close at some point and DL will rotate LAX/SEA/ATL/etc F/As through NRT and the far east. Their track record doesn't support them keeping an inherited FN base.

It'll probably come down to the number crunchers. e.g. How much would the additional hotel/perdiem costs be for US-based F/As to layover an extra time in NRT vs how much overhead to maintain the NRT domicile?

Also, what are the wages for the overseas-based F/As vs a US-based one?


User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 8374 times:

Quoting Squid (Reply 11):
Personally, now that the FA union vote is done, and DL will remain union free for a least a year or two, I see this as the perfect opportunity for DL to take advantage of this situation, and completely overhaul their entire Trans-Pac network by eliminating ALL U.S. based FA's on those routes and replace them with Foreign FA's from Asia.

I suspect this would create an instant union at DL, not to mention cost a great deal of money.

Quoting delimit (Reply 12):
Those "older, less attractive" flight attendants have the benefit of being extremely experienced. Some of them give consistently fantastic service. In fact, I generally find senior flight attendants regularly outshine their junior counterparts. They've moved beyond doing things by rote and understand that truly good service should be tailored by what they've learned from years of flying rather than just what's in the manual.

It is up to the FA to be a good FA. At the end of the day, everyone has good/bad days. One of the things I like about being a PM, I can give the appreciation certs to the really great FAs.

Dave



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User currently offlineSquid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 8339 times:

Well, I do recall NWA mgt. was fighting with their FA union and the bankruptcy judge to eliminate 75% or more of their U.S. based FA's on their Trans-Pac network because hiring foreign nationals was not only cheaper, but they were multi-lingual, and even though it may be a bit chauvinistic, would be younger, thinner and could be let go before age 40 without a pension. Isn't this what the FA position used to be? Isn't Delta, the successor of NWA competing in a part of the world where this is a common practice? And even if most Americans have a different mindset now therefore most of us wouldn't relate, isn't youth and beauty taken into consideration by many Asian men when determining whether or not they received good service? Flight attendants are basically the face of the company, the face that is hired to represent their airlines image, and up until the 80’s, image used to be very important to U.S. airlines as well. Until other countries pass the same types of non-discrimination laws as we have in America, then this is something that Delta should be considering.

User currently offlineSquid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 8331 times:

You know it's not like I haven't flown NWA from the U.S. to Asia before, in fact, I have many times, and believe me, there is a VERY DISTINCT difference between the image conveyed and service received between the 747 from the U.S. to NRT and the A330 or DC-10 between NRT and SIN, BKK, or HKG. I am just pointing out the obvious.

User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7387 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 8298 times:
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Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
Personally, I think the FN bases will close at some point and DL will rotate LAX/SEA/ATL/etc F/As through NRT and the far east. Their track record doesn't support them keeping an inherited FN base.

I think that if we had linked up with JAL, the foriegn bases would've been history. But with AA now firmly in bed with JAL and having a huge foothold there, I don't think DL can afford allow them or the new and combined CO/UA to take it over and increase the power of Star Alliance in the region. I think DL is forced to grow it as much as they can, and I think they like the NRT operation. It allows them to have complete control of how they operate and the abundance of aircraft types allows them alot of flexibility and global reach.

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 19):
Also, what are the wages for the overseas-based F/As vs a US-based one?

They do make alot less than we do except for the SIN, TPE, HKG and full-time NRT FAs. These 2 cities are expensive and the wages are high. These 2 bases are very, very senior as well. The most junior HKG and SIN based FAs are well over 20 years.

Quoting davescj (Reply 20):
It is up to the FA to be a good FA. At the end of the day, everyone has good/bad days. One of the things I like about being a PM, I can give the appreciation certs to the really great FAs.

There are good FAs at all seniorities. But most clowns who are on the outside looking in, think that FAs should be sexually alluring, and that is long past gone, even in Asia. What's funny is, that almost all the Asian based FAs where their uniforms just as frumpy and unsexy as most of their US counterparts becuase thats the way they're supposed to be worn. The US based FAs are supposed to look conservative and business-like, and anyone wearing it in any other way is wearing it wrong, and it looks slutty, not to mention even more cumbersome and uncomfortable. So I really don't know why people seem to hang on to this out-dated fantasy that these girls are going to be wearing their uniform dressed like strippers or in such a way that when they bend over, that their going to see the money shot. You might see that on Korean Air or Asiana(and eventhough they're sexy, the Korean FA's hate the uniform becuase its so uncomfortable), but you wont see that on any western carrier. And bad-attitude FAs come in all nationalities, and that was one of the things I disliked about the union, was the blanket-protection of horrible FAs. I wish that people could've been held accountable for being perpetually nasty to passengers and their fellow crew, and I hope that changes.



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6180 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 8255 times:

Slighly off topic but I had to chime in.
I just flew with an LAX based PMNWA crew between LAX and NRT, this was one of the best flights I have ever had on a US carrier. The crew was all LAX based (or at least this was what was announced on the PA), F/A working our section was absolutely wonderful, she even gave us food from Business class as my partner is vegetarian and they didn't have anything on the mentu for hm. The FA working my row has been flying for 39 years and she did all her duties to a T. Crew knew we were non-revs and they treated us better than I have ever been treated on my own airline. And these were American flight attendants on a US based carrier. You have good and bad flight attendants everywere.
I don't care what anyone says, I will take a senior flight attendant that knows how to do the job over a a young pretty inexperienced one that might not know what they are doing.

Regards,

Chepos



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25 OA412 : I don't pretend to have knowledge of the inner workings of the airline here, but I would assume that the domestic bases are not likely to be affected.
26 jetjack74 : True, but this was merely a tactic to scare the flight attendant union to the bargaining table. The 1st tentative agreement didn't include the outsou
27 FlyASAGuy2005 : Not saying they will close the actual stations. Just the F/A bases. But again this is just personal opinion. This was actually discussed at length in
28 atcsundevil : I agree and I think the passengers notice too. This was exactly my point...having foreign FAs is generally a good thing provided the carrier doesn't
29 L1011Lover : Exactly! That's the point! You hit the nail on the head. To supplement, but not to outsource! I don't have a problem with my carrier having foreign b
30 azjubilee : I don't think the DL FAs (especially PMDL) really grasp how eliminating the Asia based FAs will affect them negatively. Not only do the Asia based FAs
31 m11stephen : I'm surprised that no carrier has implemented a F/A payscale that tops out after five years or so. This would save a LOT of money and would encourage
32 jetjack74 : Again, unions would back in full force. You may think it's absurd for us to want to be paid fairly, but we don't. Maybe many people think that you're
33 sxf24 : I believe B6 started off with this perspective.
34 m11stephen : I'll agree some new hire F/As are paid horribly but anyone who has been with a major for five years or more makes a VERY nice living for the training
35 Buddys747 : I can't say I agree with the whole labor costs are cheaper argument. DL's costs are not a whole cheaper than unionized airlines.
36 L1011Lover : And what's wrong with making a VERY nice living for a job well done? Consider this: It doesn't take much to push a beverage cart up and down the aisl
37 m11stephen : No doubt about that. I don't disagree for a second that F/As are essential to onboard safety. However most F/As will never ever have to use their eme
38 Squid : I also think that all the airlines didn't have FA or front line unions to contend with, and true market forces were in play, then top out wages would
39 GenYBusTrvlr : That's an ignorant statement! Should Toyota, Honda, Mercedes, BWM, etc., etc., etc. fire their armies of US workers in the United States?
40 Post contains images jetjack74 : Actually, you're probably right, but thats becuase we're making money hand over fist. I can gaurantee, when the economy sinks, we'll see a vast diffe
41 L1011Lover : And where does that info come from? Who tells you that? What are your sources? Have you ever experienced let's say a month in the life of a FA? There
42 Post contains images jetjack74 : FAs complaints are a sign of passion FOR the job. I complain on occassion, but that's not something that's going keep me away. Airline workers are th
43 Post contains images atcsundevil : I would think so! Fortunately you have a pretty strong union and your carrier (seems) to be very fair to its employees, so this shouldn't be a worry.
44 Buddys747 : Amen brother! Nice to see there are some out there with this mindset still!!! You gotta fight for what you believe in! There are many professions uni
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