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BA Moves LUX To LHR!  
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11056 times:

BA seems to be very dynamic lately so after San Diego, Tokyo Haneda, Marrekesh, Gothenburg, Orly, the nonstop Buenos Aires & the city to Stokholm route, BA has decided to move its Luxembourg flights from LGW to LHR. Flights will be operated 12 times a week with the following shedules:

LHR-LUX BA416 08:30-10:50 daily ex Sat & Sun
LHR-LUX BA418 15:45-18:05 daily

LUX-LHR BA417 11:40-12:05 daily ex Sat & Sun
LUX-LHR BA419 18:50-19:15 daily

with this move, BA has transferred one of the last remaining business routes LHR (JER is still at LGW).

I think we might see more from BA for S11.


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User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10718 times:

Really nice to read that, I was longing for it.

At last LUX will get decent connections with BA via London, no more bus transfer LGW-LHR.   


User currently offlineLuxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 504 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10485 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Thread starter):
BA has decided to move its Luxembourg flights from LGW to LHR

do you know on what date this will start?


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10358 times:

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 2):
do you know on what date this will start?

It starts on March 28th with the start of the Summer timetable.



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User currently offlinesam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10093 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Thread starter):
I think we might see more from BA for S11.

My short haul guesses are:
- GIB to move from LHR to LGW
- 2x daily MXP to start from LGW (with a reduction in frequency at LHR)

Long haul (I doubt these will happen until W11 or S12):
- NAS and connections move from LHR to LGW
- MRU to move from LHR to LGW

I would also like to see MAD, BCN, ALC and PMI restart from LGW.



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9716 times:

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 4):
My short haul guesses are:
- GIB to move from LHR to LGW

Would make sense, though even GT alternated between LHR and LGW with this flight. Does it generate a lot of connections, or is it mainly O&D? I wonder if a daily LGW-GIB flight would work, with a M-F LCY-GIB too?

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 4):
My short haul guesses are:
- 2x daily MXP to start from LGW (with a reduction in frequency at LHR)

Keep hearing this one. If BA start LCY-LIN, then I could see LHR-MXP become LGW-MXP.

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 4):
Long haul (I doubt these will happen until W11 or S12):
- NAS and connections move from LHR to LGW

Wouldn't this mean BA having to base a 767 at LGW, or would we see the route go to the 777?

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 4):
Long haul (I doubt these will happen until W11 or S12):
- MRU to move from LHR to LGW

This wouldn't be a surprise, though I think BA would maybe rejig some of the LGW frequencies because this would mean another RR 3-class 777 operating from LGW, so BA might look at the much rumoured LGW-CMB flight too (or a return to LGW-SEZ).

Quoting AIR MALTA (Thread starter):
BA has transferred one of the last remaining business routes LHR (JER is still at LGW).

I wonder if BA would look at a LCY-JER flight, reducing a couple of LGW-JER frequencies into the bargain?



I also wonder when BA will renumber the LGW-BDX, LGW-AMS and LGW-JER flights? They're are now the only flights left in the former CityFlyer Express flight number range (BA7950-BA8199) from when that carrier was a LGW based franchise operation. Putting AMS and BDX into the BA2300-BA2899 range (LGW shorthaul European flights) and JER into the BA2900-2999 (LGW shorthaul domestic flights) would give BA another flight number rangem which must be useful as the ATI codeshares ramp up in the next 12-24 months.



[Edited 2010-11-21 11:31:37]


Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9666 times:

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 4):
- GIB to move from LHR to LGW

The GIB gets a crap load of Ships Crew connecting from Asia (CX brings in a lot) onto it who don't have UK visas. I don't see them moving it for this reason.


User currently offlinesteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9108 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 5):
Quoting sam1987 (Reply 4):
Long haul (I doubt these will happen until W11 or S12):
- NAS and connections move from LHR to LGW

Wouldn't this mean BA having to base a 767 at LGW, or would we see the route go to the 777?

It was a 777 for a year or so back in 99/00 when it was run from Gatwick, twice or three times weekly. However, as one of the more business focused routes in the Caribbean, I would be surprised to see that route going back to Gatwick.

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 6):
Quoting sam1987 (Reply 4):
- GIB to move from LHR to LGW

The GIB gets a crap load of Ships Crew connecting from Asia (CX brings in a lot) onto it who don't have UK visas. I don't see them moving it for this reason.

GIB has been backwards and forwards from LHR and LGW for the last 2 or 3 years. I would bet the high rolling residents of Gibraltar needing to get to places in the world, and the London flight being the best way of doing that would beat the hell out of the needs of a load of ships crews. Were it not for the fact the timings LHR-GIB-LHR are so utterly poxy that you miss most of them (in both directions).

Nevertheless, LGW-GIB worked for many years in the past and on a twice daily frequency rather than once daily from LHR. Much more likely to go back to LGW than NAS/GCM/PLS.



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User currently offlinedivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 4):
Long haul (I doubt these will happen until W11 or S12):
- NAS and connections move from LHR to LGW

Not a chance with the business that comes from the route with its connections to GCM and PLS! I would be very surprised to see this change after its made BA very popular with the people here at GCM for connections and also just the business side of it.

Also as someone has stated, its a B763 route and WW stated recently in a meeting in BGI that we wont see a larger aircraft on this route until the airports at GCM and PLS expand and extend their runways and services. Also i think he said that the demand is not there for a larger B772.



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User currently offlinesam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 5):
Wouldn't this mean BA having to base a 767 at LGW

I wouldn't put it past them... SSH would also suit a 767 far better than a 777. Maybe some of the TPA or MCO flights could go to the 767 too.

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 5):
so BA might look at the much rumoured LGW-CMB flight too (or a return to LGW-SEZ).

My money is on Colombo and Phuket....



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineblackwidow From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 9):
and Phuket...

Now there's a rumour..... (1st time ive heard that...)


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 9):
My money is on Colombo and Phuket....

Well it is going to be hard for BA to compete with UL. They want to serve LHR, 3 times daily.

As for Phuket, I don't think it that high yielding but why not.

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 9):
I wouldn't put it past them... SSH would also suit a 767 far better than a 777. Maybe some of the TPA or MCO flights could go to the 767 too.

SSH would be better served with 767 but not TPA or MCO.



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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4384 times:

It would not be worth putting a 767 at LGW (with the consequent engineering support and crew training required) for just one route. The 767s may well end up at LGW in time (there were rumours that consideration was given to putting the stood down 747s there), but I think it will stay an all 777 long-haul fleet for now.

User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 12):
It would not be worth putting a 767 at LGW (with the consequent engineering support and crew training required) for just one route. The 767s may well end up at LGW in time (there were rumours that consideration was given to putting the stood down 747s there), but I think it will stay an all 777 long-haul fleet for now.

Exactly. The BA LGW longhaul operation seems complicated as it is, with two GE four-class 772s, four GE three-class 772s and two RR three-class 772s operating from LGW. It would almost seem logical if BA converted the four GE 772s to have overhead crew rest, and converted a further two four-class birds to three-class so that it could just keep the RR powered birds at LHR and have six GE powered 772s able to operate all the three-class routes at LGW.

The only reason I could see BA moving some 763s to LGW in the short-term (i.e. if NAS-GCM/PLS moved to LGW) would be if BA wanted to up frequency on a couple of other routes (say LGW-KIN and LGW-MBJ which are twice-weekly) and to perhaps add a couple of new routes. But again, as has been said, that adds to the complication of the operation at LGW.

BA could almost use some A330s for LGW, where a mix of A332s and A333s would allow it to mix capacity better whilst keeping crewing simple (i.e. type ratings). But that's unlikely to happen, as new builds would take too long to arrive and there are hardly say 10 or so A332/A333 aircraft BA could pick up on lease fairly quickly.



Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1020 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

This flight will quickly go to 3-4X daily. The Luxair flights to LHR were very popular and i rememeber were always packed. Many Luxembourgers would be happy to use LHR for connections over FRA or CDG anyday.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32619 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 4):
Long haul (I doubt these will happen until W11 or S12):
- NAS and connections move from LHR to LGW

Doubtful. Lot's of business traffic to Nassau, and the tag-ons to GCM and PLS require 767s.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 14):
This flight will quickly go to 3-4X daily

With what slots?



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User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Does anybody have an estimate as to when/if JER will move to LHR? I for one would love it!

Great to see BA with all this growth. I particularly love HND and ORY.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3923 times:

Quoting heathrow (Reply 16):
Great to see BA with all this growth. I particularly love HND and ORY.

Unless BA has purchased slots from other airlines (may be CSA), the new services will come at the expense of others at LHR (Malaga is an example). BA has to find a way to get more slots at LHR.



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User currently offlineJER757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

Quoting heathrow (Reply 16):
Does anybody have an estimate as to when/if JER will move to LHR? I for one would love it!

Remember that BA used to operate JER-LHR (and JER-LGW) up until 2001 until they moved everything to LGW. Since then the route has done very well at 5 or 6 rotations a day and makes BA a fair few quid.

Whilst I expect to see some movement with BA on the JER-LON market over the next few years, I think consolidation to LHR is only one option. A route into LCY is another potential.

However what will play at the back of their minds is that BD tried JER-LHR for a few years with little success, and VG have recently dumped their LCY service. Although BA are in a much more advantageous position than BD or VG (in terms of local customer loyalty and brand recognition), I think by risking upsetting the apple cart by moving all of their services to LHR would be a brave move.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Quoting JER757 (Reply 18):
think by risking upsetting the apple cart by moving all of their services to LHR would be a brave move.

Not really. BMI didn't have great timings and connections nor did BMI have Terminal 5 all to itself. What BMI did have was cash from some numpty politicians in Jersey and even then they couldn't make it pay. BA already know the number of people trooping round the M25 from their JER-LGW service. Gatwick would still have flybe should BA move back to Heathrow. LCY-JER with VLM was not really in the same league with a single daily Fokker 50 service and no connections.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3694 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 19):
Not really. BMI didn't have great timings and connections nor did BMI have Terminal 5 all to itself. What BMI did have was cash from some numpty politicians in Jersey and even then they couldn't make it pay. BA already know the number of people trooping round the M25 from their JER-LGW service. Gatwick would still have flybe should BA move back to Heathrow. LCY-JER with VLM was not really in the same league with a single daily Fokker 50 service and no connections.

I think BA could juggle is schedules and try at least to offer 2 daily LHR-JER and the remaining 3 could stay at LGW. And what if they used a 734 on a W rotation : JER-LHR-JER-LGW-JER-LGW-JER-LHR-JER. They could even save costs (LGW crew) but I don't think Unions would be happy about it. With 2 well timed services, BA could offer good worldwide connections to people coming from JER.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

The W idea won't work. BA have enough bother with BASSA / UNITE without adding Gatwick crew "stealing" LHR slots to the fire thanks very much! Maybe in ten years when Ts and Cs arew more in line it wouldn't be an issue. For a route with so many EXEC CLUB fliers it's a bit rubbish that they're still enduring the clapped out old B737-436s though.

User currently offlinerichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3746 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 21):
enduring the clapped out old B737-436s

Apparently some have new seats/interiors.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3550 times:
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Quoting richardw (Reply 22):
Apparently some have new seats/interiors.

If anyone has pictures of these new seats and interiors and the old ones I would like to see them. =)



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

Quoting richardw (Reply 22):
Apparently some have new seats/interiors.

I would hope so... BA needs to spend some money on cleanliness!



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