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TW And AA - The TW Trademark And Logos  
User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 399 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

Question: Does AA own the rights to the TWA trade mark and logos OR Is it true that some former creditors/banks were given those rights for debts owed by TW. Who would you go to for "legal" permission to use a TWA livery? Say for instance can the museum in Kansas City now replace "Save A Connie" with TWA???? (By example only, I do not represent this museum!).


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User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

I would assume AA would be the boss when it comes to anything with TWA. I dont know for sure thats just what I would think. By the way a TWA 727 would look mighty fine and would sure make my day   hint hint

User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2424 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

Quoting TrnsWrld (Reply 1):

I believe this is correct. Although AA will never completely own everything associated with TWA.  



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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

Quoting TrnsWrld (Reply 1):
By the way a TWA 727 would look mighty fine and would sure make my day hint hint

Don't read toooooo much into this...Just doing due diligence and keeping options open and available  



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User currently offlineZBA2CGX From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

A quick look on the US Patent and Trademark Office website at http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/basics/index.jsp using the search term "TWA". It lists a live trademark registered to American Airlines, so any use that is potentially aviation related would have to clear the AA lawyers.

Otherwise you might get a nasty gram from them.

Good luck


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4433 times:

Quoting United727 (Thread starter):
Question: Does AA own the rights to the TWA trade mark and logos OR Is it true that some former creditors/banks were given those rights for debts owed by TW. Who would you go to for "legal" permission to use a TWA livery? Say for instance can the museum in Kansas City now replace "Save A Connie" with TWA???? (By example only, I do not represent this museum!).

I thought the Connie was painted in TWA colors? Last I saw it, it was in TWA colors (though I had seen older photos where it had the basic TWA livery with "SAC" on it instead).



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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 3732 times:

It is! You're correct, my error in not checking back! STAY TUNED TW FANS...as of today, I am now in regular contact with the Airline History Museum (Save A Connie) in Kansas City, MO!


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User currently onlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4950 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

The Connie you speak about may be in TW colors, but nowhere on the airframe does it say "TWA". That makes a big difference.


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User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

I was always under the impression that if a logo, trademark, or copyright isn't used in a certain amount of time the owner looses it and its up for grabs for anyone to purchase... The TWA name hasn't been used in almost nine years so I think it would be up for grabs soon. I could be totally wrong however.  


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Quoting ZBA2CGX (Reply 4):
It lists a live trademark registered to American Airlines, so any use that is potentially aviation related would have to clear the AA lawyers.

Otherwise you might get a nasty gram from them.

Good point. And AA has historically been quite protective of their branding...I seem to remember there was controversy a few years ago when some flight simulator enthusiasts wanted to "paint" virtual planes in AA's livery.

Delta's pretty "on it" about their identity as well.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 8 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

American virtual is very much still alive and kicking as is Delta's "virtual" airline.

http://www.aavirtual.com/
http://www.deltava.org/

From what i've heard, DVA 'checks in' with Delta ever so often to keep things kosher.



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User currently offlineIFlyTWA From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 7):
The Connie you speak about may be in TW colors, but nowhere on the airframe does it say "TWA". That makes a big difference.

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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 8):
The TWA name hasn't been used in almost nine years so I think it would be up for grabs soon.

Trademarks expire every 10 years. But the owner has to pay a fee and file some paperwork to keep it from expiring. AA won't let the TWA trademark expire.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 7):
That makes a big difference.

I believe that Connie was painted up well before AA bought TWA. I'm sure it was painted with TWA's blessing. And I'm sure AA would be the same way.


User currently onlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4950 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

When I first saw the Save A Connie aircraft, all it said on it was SAC. I guess they must have added the TWA later. I also imagine AA allowed this to continue (grandfathered in) as a gesture of goodwill.


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User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

At first the connie at MKC was in TWA colors BUT with SAVE-A-CONNIE painted on the plane and SAC on the vertical stabs.
A few short years ago, the Airline Historic Museum, the new name for SAVE-A-CONNIE, got permission to put TWA and Trans World Airlines on the connie.
Unless it reverted back to SAVE-A-CONNIE(why? the name is now gone) I do believe its says TWA on the plane.
safe   



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 12):
I believe that Connie was painted up well before AA bought TWA. I'm sure it was painted with TWA's blessing. And I'm sure AA would be the same way.
Quoting isitsafenow (Reply 14):
At first the connie at MKC was in TWA colors BUT with SAVE-A-CONNIE painted on the plane and SAC on the vertical stabs.
A few short years ago, the Airline Historic Museum, the new name for SAVE-A-CONNIE, got permission to put TWA and Trans World Airlines on the connie.
Unless it reverted back to SAVE-A-CONNIE(why? the name is now gone) I do believe its says TWA on the plane.
safe

When I saw it in around 1997 or so at an airshow, it wore TWA titles.



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