Nicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2249 times:
TORONTO - An airplane crashed into a home north of Toronto Sunday night, injuring the pilot and disturbing a family's Father's Day dinner.
The pilot of the single-engine Cessna 172 four-seater suffered non-life-threatening injuries when the plane slammed into the home three kilometres from the runway where it had taken off.
No one in the house was injured, but about 150 litres of fuel leaked from the plane.
Officials don't know what caused the plane to crash, but a Richmond Hill fire official said the plane appeared to have lost power on takeoff. It crashed through a sliding glass door on a second-storey balcony.
The pilot was apparently speaking coherently to paramedics before being taken to hospital by ambulance.
York Region police said the plane was rented by the 40-year-old pilot at the nearby Buttonville airport.
Ministry of Transportation investigators have been called to look into the crash.
TAA_Airbus From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2075 times:
We had a 172 drop out of the sky in Perth 2 weeks ago. Once again, no injuries, but amazingly the pilot managed to dodge all the houses, power lines and a car in a high density residentual area and land in the only vacant block on the street!
However, simple maths calculations wouldnt of had him in that situation in the first place!
PerthGloryfan From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2029 times:
TAA is referring to the maths involved in calculating the amount of fuel required for approx 250 mile flight into a stiff headwind with 4 POB.
Unlike in Toronto there was absolutely no danger of fire from a fuel spill in the Perth crash.
Sonic99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1970 times:
IMO those small one-pilot "mosquitos" shouldn't be flying out of large airports like YYZ - that's where Island Airport comes in. Little incidents, like this one, very often occur as a result of pilot error and very seldom due to mechanical malfunction. If there were two pilots onboard, I don't believe that problems with properly calculated fuel levels, navigational errors, exhaustion or the like would cause such incidents. (If that's the case then we're talking big trouble). These annoying little cloud-ticklers, unless used for purposeful reasons, shouldn't be causing taxiway traffic jams, taking off and landing way at big commercial airports.
Nicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1930 times:
Sonic99: As a "Mostiquo" pilot I think you're full of sh*t dude, you see if you had an engine failure right after take off it would not change a think if you were 1, 2 or even 3 pilots in the cockpit, well you'd probably have more eyes to look around for a suitable forced landing spot.
Now what difference does it makes in this accident that this aircraft is taking of YYZ or Trout lake airport? None
Boy if you really love to fly, as we're all suppose to do you would consider GA planes the same way you do with big airliners, you're more probably the type that just enjoy the caviar and champagne on a flight but who doesn't care about the flight.
Nicolas, Mosquito pilot, flying out of the 3rd busiest mosquito airport (CYHU)
Lymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1916 times:
Sonic99, your post was probably THE most ignorant post I've seen on this forum - which is a pretty dubious honour considering some of the other posters!
First of all, you should know that general aviation aircraft out number airliners about 100:1. They are here to stay, and represent a *very* important part of the aviation community. Anyone who doesn't realize this is living in their own narrow world. Every airline pilot has to start somewhere; these aircraft are primary trainers, not only for them, but for others who want to fly simply for the love of it.
Yes, there are more pilot-induced accidents in GA aircraft, simply because of the general lower level of experience flying them, ie - student pilot. I'm sure as a student in your day you NEVER mady mistakes?
Your statement about the accident rate of aircraft with 2 crew members is embarassingly naive - look at how often pilot error is determined to be the cause of a major airline accident. Pilots forgetting to set flaps on take-off, incorrect altitude capture settings, hell even an Air Canada 767 ran out of fuel back in '83 because the pilot didn't confirm his fuel level! It happens to the best of us (the particular pilot is now the Chief Pilot for Air Canada).
Hopefully Sonic99, I've showed you another side of the story that you'll take into consideration. But I doubt it - highly ignorant people such as yourself suffer from dillusions of adequacy and prefer their own simple world. I'm just embarassed that you are Canadian.
SJC>SFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1887 times:
I don't know about Canada and Europe, but in the U.S. the airports are run by good 'ol Uncle Sam, and we all pay his salary. So as long as they pay their landing fees and such, they have as much right to land at any airport they wish.
TAA_Airbus From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1864 times:
"If I have an engine failure on or before take off, I will close the throttle and apply sensible braking - If I have an engine failure after take off, I will lower the nose, close the throttle, land within 30 degrees of runway heading taking flap as required"
Captains take off safety brief )
what really jerks me is the amont of people that think they luv aviation, but really are only interested in RPT.
Where as in fact, thats as far as Im concerned, not even aviation at all!