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Mexicana's Pilots Union Accepts New Contract  
User currently offlinejhtango From Mexico, joined Mar 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9226 times:

The union that represents Mexicana's pilots reached an agreement with the new investor PC Capital.

Quick summary:
1. Complete pay of employee liquidations (circa 300M USD) with company's stock (5 per cent)
2. Lay off almost 80 per cent of the workforce, nore than 500 pilots
3. New collective contract with 40 per cent less income and increase in working hours from 80 to 90 per month.

It appears the flight attendants union will also reach an agreement. Who knows about the ground staff union....

The new MXA plans to start operations December 8 with up to 30 planes.

The negotiations do not include CBE nor MXI both of which appears will go down.


Link (Spanish only)
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/primera/35907.html


Viva la gran suerte de nacer en esta tierra. El don, el regalo y la bendicion de ser MEXICANO.
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User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9225 times:

This makes me very happy, this means Mexicana will get to celebrate their 90th birthday, even they're a shadow of what they used to be. Survivial will be hard, the U.S airlines and Aeromexico have added flights on the more important routes, plus they have to regain the public's confidence, which they've lost. The odds are not on their favor but I'm rooting for them.

Mexicana has officially become Mexico's Varig


User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8974 times:
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Mexicana will prevail..... It has a colorful history, a well known name and with lower cost, if all deals are set shortly, I believe now Aeromexico will be the next to deal with the same problems, so they will now have their work cut out....... Please someone enlighten me, but is it true that pilots at the old Mexicana used to get cars from the company. Is that correct?

User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8496 times:

Quoting jhtango (Thread starter):
The new MXA plans to start operations December 8 with up to 30 planes.

Is there any indication of which airframes will be pushed back into service?

Will it ba an all-A320 fleet?

Any informtion you can share would be appreciated.

Kind Regards,

EasternSon



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User currently offlineJHTango From Mexico, joined Mar 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8217 times:

As always the case in México, it is really hard to obtain reliable information:
As of now, officially we know:
  • ASPA (Pilots' Union) has accepted the proposal from PC Capital
  • ASSA (Flight Attendants' Union) also accepted the proposal. Out of 1050 workers only 375 will be re-hired.
  • MXA will restart operations
  • CBE and MXI were both called for a concurso mercantil, creditors' meeting in english (FACT) and will probably get the axe (SPECULATION)


Unofficially, I cannot stress more the word UNOFFICIAL:
  • Operations set to start as soon as December 8. Some other sources indicate this will be until January 2011.
  • Equipment to be used are A-320 family types although the B-717 was mentioned. Operations will start with around 15 aircraft and will grow until reaching 30. For the A320's I guess MXA will be using some of the airplanes they own, the older early 90's models with the F- registration.
  • Proposed routes:

National

MEX-MTY
MEX-GDL
MEX-TIJ
MEX-CUN

NA
MEX-LAX x3
GDL-LAX x1
MEX-SFO x1
MEX-MIA x1
MEX-JFK x2
MEX-ORD x2
MEX-GDL-ORD x1
MEX-DEN x1
MEX-LAS x2

C and SA
MEX-GUA x2
MEX-SAL x1
MEX-SJO x1
MEX-BOG x1
MEX-HAV x1
MEX-CUN-HAV x1

No LR routes, hence no wide-bodies.

[Edited 2010-11-22 13:49:55]


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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1312 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8192 times:

I take it no A318s will stay in the fleet. How about the A319s?

User currently offlinekiwimex From Mexico, joined Nov 2009, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8024 times:

The 319's went to Interjet?

User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7439 times:

Glad to see them re-emerge. Hopefully this time they will stick around for a long time and slowely rebuild their transborder operations especially to leisure destinations like CUN.

User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

I heard that MEX-MIA was going to be 2x daily and CUN-MIA was going to be 1x daily.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6509 times:

will they remain in OneWorld? as they are still on the oneworld.com website


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6354 times:
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Quoting JHTango (Reply 4):
MEX-BOG x1

Supposedly, MEX-BOG will operate 2x daily.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 9):
will they remain in OneWorld? as they are still on the oneworld.com website

MX never left oneworld. Once México regains its CAT I status from the U.S., MX will be able to code-share with AA again.


User currently offlineDALALWAYS From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6226 times:

On the Oneworld note, there are many comparisons of Mexicana to Varig, being that they will be a shell of their former glory (I love how the aviation business is romanticized). If this comparison is true, is there a possibility that they could be ousted from the alliance? I know that Varig were booted for not fulfilling membership prerequisites. What would these prerequisites be? Following that would Oneworld hold on to MX primarily for their domestic routing? I am not being cynical, I honestly do not know about these types of situations.

I am happy that it looks like the name will survive, but I am so sad that so many of the pre-bankruptcy Mexicana family are losing their jobs. I pray that they find work soon.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

Quoting DALALWAYS (Reply 11):
On the Oneworld note, there are many comparisons of Mexicana to Varig, being that they will be a shell of their former glory (I love how the aviation business is romanticized). If this comparison is true, is there a possibility that they could be ousted from the alliance? I know that Varig were booted for not fulfilling membership prerequisites. What would these prerequisites be? Following that would Oneworld hold on to MX primarily for their domestic routing? I am not being cynical, I honestly do not know about these types of situations.

I think the MX situation is different to the VG situation. *A had a substitute in TAM and in the interim they had TP. oneworld doesn't have an alternative in MX. AA cannot do all the flying itself (most routes would be unprofitable due to its high cost base. and LAN would be spreading itself to thin to do anything meaningful in the all-to-important MEX-USA and MEX-EUR markets.

oneworld sees the world's airlines becoming more and more aligned and there are less options out there. I don't think they have much of a choice. I think it's more about holding onto what you already have, poaching from other alliances and scrambling for what remains. MX should be kept- and helped!

AA1818



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5482 times:
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Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12):
LAN would be spreading itself to thin to do anything meaningful in the all-to-important MEX-USA and MEX-EUR markets.

How could LAN complement the "all-to-important" MEX-USA and MEX-EUR markets since LAN would not operate those routes in the first place? LAN Cargo, on the other hand, has a cargo subsidiary in México which is very lucrative. LAN could enhance MX's domestic operations by providing feed from its South American hubs. LAN already operates SCL-MEX daily, LIM-MEX 6x weekly, LIM-CUN 3x weekly, SCL-HAV-CUN weekly, etc. Eventually, LAN Colombia and TAM will launch flights into MEX as well. MEX may even become a LATAM focus city in the future.


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

Quoting jhtango (Thread starter):
2. Lay off almost 80 per cent of the workforce, nore than 500 pilots
Quoting JHTango (Reply 4):
ASSA (Flight Attendants' Union) also accepted the proposal. Out of 1050 workers only 375 will be re-hired.


I am curious to know how Mexicana will bring back their flight crews. Will they be recalled by seniority or are things done differently?

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
How could LAN complement the "all-to-important" MEX-USA and MEX-EUR markets since LAN would not operate those routes in the first place? LAN Cargo, on the other hand, has a cargo subsidiary in México which is very lucrative. LAN could enhance MX's domestic operations by providing feed from its South American hubs. LAN already operates SCL-MEX daily, LIM-MEX 6x weekly, LIM-CUN 3x weekly, SCL-HAV-CUN weekly, etc. Eventually, LAN Colombia and TAM will launch flights into MEX as well. MEX may even become a LATAM focus city in the future.

I should put a disclaimer anytime I mention the airline "LAN". If you would take the time to read what I actually said, you would not make such defensive posts about LAN. I was simply saying that MEX is an important Market, and that without MX in ow, that AA couldn't cover the necessary routes, and that LAN (the only other ow carrier in the region (with cross-border subsidiaries) would be spreading itself too thinly if it attempted to open up a "LAN Mexico" for example.

AA1818



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5369 times:
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Quoting AA1818 (Reply 15):
I was simply saying that MEX is an important Market, and that without MX in ow, that AA couldn't cover the necessary routes

AA already covers the necessary routes, "American Airlines and American Eagle serve 15 destinations throughout Mexico with 50 daily flights. Pending regulatory approvals, American also plans to codeshare with Alaska Airlines/Horizon Air later this year, offering service from the West Coast to nine destinations in Mexico."
http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3057

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 15):
and that LAN (the only other ow carrier in the region (with cross-border subsidiaries) would be spreading itself too thinly if it attempted to open up a "LAN Mexico" for example.

Why on earth would LAN establish a pax subsidiary in México when México is governed by different ownership laws as compared to other countries in the region and already has various domestic carriers? Also, the above mentioned markets to the U.S. and Europe are already, or will soon be well-served, (especially at slot-restricted MEX). Note that LAN and TAM are still awaiting the various governmental agencies to approve their combination. Plus, AIRES will be incorporated into LATAM Airlines Group after the combination. Thus LAN and TAM, (LATAM) will have immense opportunities to grow else-where. When México liberalizes its ownership laws in the future, perhaps LAN, (LATAM) may enter that market.


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1780 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 14):
I am curious to know how Mexicana will bring back their flight crews. Will they be recalled by seniority or are things done differently?

AFAIK, all unions will put forward a seniority list and employees will be recalled top to bottom. At least that's what Mexican newspaper 'El Universal' reports.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 16):
Why on earth would LAN establish a pax subsidiary in México when México is governed by different ownership laws as compared to other countries in the region and already has various domestic carriers? Also, the above mentioned markets to the U.S. and Europe are already, or will soon be well-served, (especially at slot-restricted MEX). Note that LAN and TAM are still awaiting the various governmental agencies to approve their combination. Plus, AIRES will be incorporated into LATAM Airlines Group after the combination. Thus LAN and TAM, (LATAM) will have immense opportunities to grow else-where. When México liberalizes its ownership laws in the future, perhaps LAN, (LATAM) may enter that market.

It is for that reason that reason along with the lack of intra-Mexico and Mexico-Central America flights that I suggested oneworld just wouldn't kick out MX like *A did to VG.

AA1818



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5020 times:
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Quoting AA1818 (Reply 18):
It is for that reason that reason along with the lack of intra-Mexico and Mexico-Central America flights that I suggested oneworld just wouldn't kick out MX like *A did to VG.

OneWorld would most certainly like to see MX up and running again. Remember, LATAM may shy away from OneWorld and AA would be the only OneWorld carrier in the America's. IMO, the aviation market is still developing in México and consolidation will eventually occur in México.


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

Quoting DALALWAYS (Reply 11):

OneWorld still has Malev... ive always wondered what real use are they? but MX had a great network! i hope the stay and dont go the way of Varig or EI  



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User currently offlineJHTango From Mexico, joined Mar 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Latest RUMORS:


*Operations to start Dec 15 with 4 planes. Operation will eventually grow to 30.
* No more "Clase Elite", whole cabin conf. will be premium economy.
* Whole fleet to be comprised of only A320's. Widebodies will be returned to lessors if not already done.
* Elite Lounges to be closed.
* Click and Link get the axe. Fokkers, 717's and CRJ's to be returned to lessors.
* Free food and open bar on board will still be available.
* Top Tier status (Conquer, Explorer and Discover) of MexicanaGO and Frecuenta disappear.
* Mexicana would exit One World
* Mexicana will try to fill the gap that exist between AMX and other LCC
* Mexicana will continue to exploit international routes to USA, Canada, Central and Sourth America as this is considered the real force of the airline.



Viva la gran suerte de nacer en esta tierra. El don, el regalo y la bendicion de ser MEXICANO.
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4366 times:

Quoting JHTango (Reply 21):
No more "Clase Elite", whole cabin conf. will be premium economy

But didn't CINTRA already try this in the past with MX and its "Clase Única", and failed miserably?

Quoting JHTango (Reply 21):
Mexicana would exit One World

Well, without a multi-tier f.f. program and no premium class, they will not be compatible with a traditional alliance system, so I guess this would come as no surprise.

Quoting JHTango (Reply 21):
Mexicana will continue to exploit international routes to USA, Canada, Central and Sourth America as this is considered the real force of the airline.

Any codeshares? I wonder if the A320s will be able to do MEX-BOG-MEX with significant payload (YVR also seems doubtful). They'd need A319s for these routes, wouldn't they?

I wonder how much the brand has been tarnished by the long suspension of operations and how many people will actually trust the new MX. I also wonder if they will be admitted to the IATA clearinghouse so easily after suspending ops in the way things happened.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAM001 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 221 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4337 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 22):
But didn't CINTRA already try this in the past with MX and its "Clase Única", and failed miserably?

The premium cabin with MX has an interesting history after exiting government control... when AM launched Clase Elite (I think that was the original name back in 1989-90, please correct me if I'm wrong, before being rebranded as Premier), MX retorted with the "We only have one class, the best" slogan, and included what I think were incredibly foresighted services (PTVs in all seats for the 727s, etc.).

Then they came up with Primera Clase, then it went away completely, then just before entering Star (actually because of their membership application) they created Clase Ejecutiva, now uselessly re-branded Elite... What I heard back then is that it was not a choice, but an alliance requirement, since premium cabins did not make much financial sense in the short-medium haul routes... this might very well be true!



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 4290 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 22):
Any codeshares? I wonder if the A320s will be able to do MEX-BOG-MEX with significant payload (YVR also seems doubtful). They'd need A319s for these routes, wouldn't they?

The A320s are fine for MEX-BOG-MEX. AV flies it 2x daily on A320s and MX has subbed A320s to BOG all the time.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 10):
Supposedly, MEX-BOG will operate 2x daily

That's a lot of capacity to restart the route. There are three operators with 5 daily filghts right now. Two years ago, we had two operators with 18 flights per week.

This is great news, i'm just sad MX won't be in Oneworld anymore. I also hope they know what they're doing, because some kind of Varig-like revival would be very sad for a 90 year old brand.



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25 MAH4546 : Mexicana never left oneWorld. It is still a member, even while not flying.
26 GlobalCabotage : A MAH says, MX is still a part of One World.
27 DavidCA : I can't see MX having much of a future without being part of OW or one of the other alliances. Without the opportunity to use MX's FF points for an up
28 EddieDude : Okay, thanks! So, what should we understand by "premium economy"? Is MX thinking about 38-ish inch seat pitch with AVOD IFE? I mean, this is what a d
29 AR385 : *Operations to start Dec 15 with 4 planes. Operation will eventually grow to 30. I´ll believe it when I see it. The truth is that no financials have
30 Byrdluvs747 : I really wish people would stop spouting this myth. If it were true then OW & ST wouldn't have courted WS to enter their alliance. Then there's t
31 AR385 : AB has an international premium class which has received accolades and good reviews. And about the route network, that depends. And if what you are sa
32 Byrdluvs747 : Your original statement said that " None of the big alliances will accept an airline without a premium class" and I correctly pointed out that at lea
33 AR385 : You have "no doubt they would have taken". "Would have" being the key phrase. The LCC model is not compatible with the respectable alliances. Maybe t
34 JHTango : Unfortunately, I am too far away from the action to be well informed and as an active member of the industry in México I know that 95% of the news I
35 Post contains links airportguy1971 : Let's hope so. Better to be Mexico's Varig than Mexico's Ansett. I have a bad feeling though. If the world's economy was in better shape I'd have hig
36 Byrdluvs747 : Your comment implies that there was some difficulty or concern with bringing WS into OW. WS would be a OW or ST member already if their management di
37 AR385 : No. It lies in its network, and in other things.
38 aer : Well they could go like CM that use OnePass or AirEuropa that uses Flying Blue and the respective airline's lounges. Maybe they could use AAdvantage
39 AR385 : That is true, and a good idea for international flights. The way the new MX is structured, however, they wold need lounges primarily in MEX, MTY and
40 EnviroTO : I don't think WS is invited to be a member of oneworld. Oneworld partners gets all they need from WS via codesharing, interline agreements, and bulk s
41 aer : Not really, in fact it could be the other airline's lounges, CM's lounge in PTY is a Presidents Club by CO.
42 Post contains links Byrdluvs747 : Back in 2006 WS and OW were in talks for various issues including membership. At the time the biggest problem was WS' reservation system. So the invi
43 EnviroTO : The article says WS is unlikely to join Oneworld but would look into partnerships with BA, CX, and CI. It needed a new booking system to be able to l
44 EnviroTO : I notice the Oneworld timetables show Mexicana starting operations December 10th.
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