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Longest Fuselage Panel Created For A350 XWB  
User currently offlineaviationweek From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2010, 55 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13768 times:

The carbonfibre panel, created by Spirit in North Carolina, is the longest section of the composite fuselage.

Its 64.5ft long, 828 sq. ft centre-fuselage "crown" panel is undergoing trimming, drilling and inspection before it gets shipped across the Atlantic.

See a photo here: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...50XWB%20Longest%20Fuselage%20Panel

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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13329 times:

Is the panel sitting on a jig or is that a portion of the frame work for the aircraft?


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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12939 times:

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 1):
Is the panel sitting on a jig or is that a portion of the frame work for the aircraft?

That's a jig.

Tom.


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2581 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6521 times:

I remember having read some time that the number of fuselage panels on the A350 will be one fifth of the panels that would be needed for a conventional aluminum aircraft, with the associated reduction in structural complexity. Plus, the stringers will be co-cured. It may not be a full barrel like Boeing but the improvement is definitely significant. It will be interesting to observe how both concepts fare once the 787 and A350 are in service.

User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

Will it be shipped by ship or in an An124 or one of the Belugas to Nantes?

The local airport has an 11500ft runway, which is, presumably, why the factory is there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinston_Regional_Jetport



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

Presumably a Beluga, it's big enough and with a light payload it has the range.


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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2581 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 5):
Presumably a Beluga, it's big enough and with a light payload it has the range.

While a Beluga could work this time around (prototype production phase), they are busy enough flying around in Europe, so that once the A350 ramps up to serial production, I doubt they can afford losing a Beluga 1 full day at a time for long transatlantic trips. I assume that for serial production these parts will be sent by ship.


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 6):
I assume that for serial production these parts will be sent by ship.

Correct. Same applies for the fuselage shells originating at Permium Aerotec in Nordenham, being shipped by vessel to Hamburg / France; same applies for A350 products ex Stade and Hamburg. All in all Airbus has now at least 4 seagoing vessel in operation and at least one inland barge, operating for both the A350 and A380 programs.

BTW, the Nordenham plant of Premium Areotec for the A350 is now up and running, the first shells have been produced there as well.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

I agree that a ship is a better idea for production, the beluga is good for short hops but for that long trip it must be terribly inefficient. However that will be a long trip for a ship too, so they need more of them.

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 7):
All in all Airbus has now at least 4 seagoing vessel in operation

Are you sure ? I thought they only had two, for the A380.



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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 8):
Are you sure ? I thought they only had two, for the A380.

I thought there were 3: Hamburg, Bordeaux and Cadiz.

http://www.hoegh.com/autoliners/news/article4139.ece?year=2009

Fret Cetam SA, the joint venture between Höegh Autoliners and Louis Dreyfus Armateurs which controls the three vessels charters them to Airbus for 20 years. The three "Airbus vessels" are engaged in transportation of A380 component between Hamburg, Cadiz, Mostyn, St. Nazaire and Bordeaux. All three vessels are technically managed by Louis Dreyfus Armateurs.



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User currently offlineGrunf From Sweden, joined Jan 2007, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

Isn't it ironic. 787 CF parts are made in Italy and A350 CF panels are made in US...


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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3470 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 9):

I thought there were 3: Hamburg, Bordeaux and Cadiz.

Three large vessels:

MV City of Hamburg
MV Ville de Bordeaux
MV Ciudad de Cadiz

One coastal vessel, plying between Nordenham, Hamburg and Stade:

MV Kugelbake

One inland vessel:

MV Breuil



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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3173 times:
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Quoting Grunf (Reply 10):
Isn't it ironic. 787 CF parts are made in Italy and A350 CF panels are made in US...

Its even better in that Spirit- or the original factories which have become what is now Spirit - was once owned by Boeing and the 787 rear bulkhead is coming from an actual EADS factory! Remember 20 years ago B approached the major EU aerospace companies (they didn't directly approach A itself but A's parent companies -they thought A itself wasn't viable) about building a VLA. Maybe they should actually do that now!


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