F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4745 posts, RR: 29 Posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 23639 times:
News just reporting an aircraft has slid off the runway. Snow is coming down, and it is windy. Of course, the media says a runway, but we know it could be a taxiway. No reports of injuries at this time.
PWMRamper From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 574 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 23634 times:
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8790 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 23646 times:
China Airlines 747 freighter on Runway 34L. Emergency crews have responded. It is at the north end of the airport.
Airport is still open, however airplanes are taking off but airplanes are currently not landing as it is on a groundstop for arrivals. Current weather is not very good at all. Strong winds of 17mph gusting to 25 with ice on the ground and current snow. Some airports handle winter weather well, but SEA is not the best prepared since it gets little snow. Current delays are over 1hr on arrival and it is getting worse.
METAR text: KSEA 230053Z 33015G22KT 1 1/4SM -SN BR BKN010 BKN016 OVC028 M03/M05 A2955 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 3/4 SLP015 P0002 T10331050 $
Conditions at: KSEA (SEATTLE/METRO, WA, US) observed 0053 UTC 23 November 2010
Temperature: -3.3°C (26°F)
Dewpoint: -5.0°C (23°F) [RH = 88%]
Pressure (altimeter): 29.55 inches Hg (1000.8 mb)
[Sea-level pressure: 1001.5 mb]
Winds: from the NNW (330 degrees) at 17 MPH (15 knots; 7.8 m/s)
gusting to 25 MPH (22 knots; 11.4 m/s)
Visibility: 1.25 miles (2.01 km)
Ceiling: 1000 feet AGL
Clouds: broken clouds at 1000 feet AGL
broken clouds at 1600 feet AGL
overcast cloud deck at 2800 feet AGL
Nearby at BFI (5 miles away), they are not accepting any aircraft at all.
[Edited 2010-11-22 17:04:05]
[Edited 2010-11-22 17:04:34]
[Edited 2010-11-22 17:21:45]
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Drewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 100 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 23174 times:
It's not bad. It's going to taxi under it's own power to cargo parking shortly. Being tugged out now.
HAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2472 posts, RR: 53 Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 22706 times:
Ground stop ended. Airport resumed normal operations according to King5 news a few minutes ago (5:40pm PST)
According to Komo news: Federal Aviation Administration officials the China Airlines cargo jet arriving from John F. Kennedy International Airportwent off runway 34L at about 4:30 p.m.
Airport spokesman Perry Cooper said the plane went about 100 feet beyond the end of the runway, but remained on an area of safety concrete.
hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1458 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 22527 times:
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2): Some airports handle winter weather well, but SEA is not the best prepared since it gets little snow.
I don't think that's the case this year. I think the storm 2 years ago woke them up to be better prepared, and with predictions of this storm and a tough winter, I think the airport is doing the best they can given the circumstances.
I think your weather report makes it clear that no matter what airport it is, these are not ideal conditions. When you have 25mph gusts, 1.25m visibility and a ceiling of 1000ft at an airfield just over 400ft ASL, it's not going to be easy for any pilot coming in.
hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1458 posts, RR: 15 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 22429 times:
Looking out the window of my apartment, it almost looks like a white out.
wingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 590 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 22204 times:
I would have to say that for most major airports in the Northland that get snow, that wouldn't be too much of a problem. If there was ice or freezing rain before the snow, then that is a whole different ballgame. I really wouldn't even be too concerned landing in that weather. The wind is right down the runway and if the MU readings were above 20, it shouldn't have been a real problem.
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jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7338 posts, RR: 52 Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 22055 times:
I live about 4 miles south of the airport off 99, and even when they said the airport was closed, flights were still flying over my house. So if they did close Sea-Tac, it wasn't for very long
aviators99 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 434 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 21957 times:
Apparently, it went 100 ft into the 1000-ft overrun.
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4292 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 21874 times:
Glad to hear it was that minor. Weather's still nice here in DC -- don't envy you all!
Any damage to aircraft or pavement?
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dashman From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 68 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 21505 times:
Airplane crossed the 34R runway threshold by 100 feet. Still on asphalt. Tug pushed the airplane back far enough to go under its own power to parking.
flybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 993 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 21458 times:
Quoting wingnutmn (Reply 10): would have to say that for most major airports in the Northland that get snow, that wouldn't be too much of a problem. If there was ice or freezing rain before the snow, then that is a whole different ballgame. I really wouldn't even be too concerned landing in that weather. The wind is right down the runway and if the MU readings were above 20, it shouldn't have been a real problem.
Agreed. One thing about SEA, though, is that Seattle as a city does not experience much snow. It does happen as today proves, but generally speaking SEA is all about rain and wind in the winter.
I have decied before SEA, but all my times flying out of SEA, I think I've only experienced it once there. SEA might be further north than Buffalo or say Chicago, but it is very temperate (thankfully, or we'd be one snowy place in the winter!).
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2144 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20305 times:
Just relocated from ID two months ago and thought it'll be nice to be away from much snow. Jokes on me lol. I work at SEA and happy to have today off. But driving around was quite an adventure at times. Mainly due to the 'other guy'...
As of 2000 hours still snowing and blowing East Hill of Kent...very wintry.
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 19313 times:
Quoting hatbutton (Reply 8): I think your weather report makes it clear that no matter what airport it is, these are not ideal conditions. When you have 25mph gusts, 1.25m visibility and a ceiling of 1000ft at an airfield just over 400ft ASL, it's not going to be easy for any pilot coming in.
I suspect it was more surface condition than visibility or wind...the weather here in Seattle has been about perfect to reduce friction coefficient to nearly zero.
SEA in on a hill..when I went in this morning the freezing level was about half-way up the hill, so snow was just sticking at SEA altitudes. During the day it warmed a little, and most of the pavement cover melted...as soon as the sun went down (about 4:30 this time of year), everything froze solid and then the snow kept falling on top of it. You'll spin your wheels starting in 2nd gear from a stop on level ground.
Obviously, SEA has sand/salt, but the point is that the conditions were conducive to lousy traction.
Mason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 747 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 19182 times:
There is some confusion as to the runway, 34R v. 34L. A 747 landing on 34L in poor conditions would seem a bit bold, but it's hard to believe an over-run on 34R, at almost 12,000 feet, even in wet and windy weather. Can anyone confirm the runway?
N174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18301 times:
Quoting flybynight (Reply 15): SEA might be further north than Buffalo or say Chicago, but it is very temperate
SEA is approximately the same latitude as MUC, (47 deg. N) but is very close to the Puget Sound, and thus doesn't see this kind of snow/icy conditions. Same holds true for BFI and PAE.
707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 539 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 17644 times:
Quoting Mason (Reply 18): There is some confusion as to the runway ... 34R v. 34L
According to the Seattle Times, " Flight 5321, operated by Dynasty Air/ Ocean Freight Company, lost control on landing and went off the end of Runway 34L at about 4 p.m."
Later in the article, it says, " .. The jet traveled about 100 feet beyond its normal stopping point but still stopped on concrete in the runway's safety area."
Traveling about 1/3 the plane's length doesn't really sound like 'out of control' to me, but I doubt if it slid thousands of feet past the regular turn-out either. The other paper is also taking its report from the FAA statement, that it was a "driving event," and not an in-flight problem.
I think this was not an "event" in any estimation. Seattle-Snow-Craziness. Seriously, you'd have to be here to fully appreciate the mayhem.
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4745 posts, RR: 29 Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17076 times:
Quoting 707lvr (Reply 20): I think this was not an "event" in any estimation. Seattle-Snow-Craziness. Seriously, you'd have to be here to fully appreciate the mayhem.
No kidding. It is beyond crazy. I am currently planning my trip to work, and the shift starts in 7. If I leave now, I might be able to get to work on time, which is only 24 miles away. However, I think I will play it smart and stay home. Cars have been abandoned on the freeway, and it is a disaster outside.
hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1458 posts, RR: 15 Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16774 times:
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 21): No kidding. It is beyond crazy. I am currently planning my trip to work, and the shift starts in 7. If I leave now, I might be able to get to work on time, which is only 24 miles away. However, I think I will play it smart and stay home. Cars have been abandoned on the freeway, and it is a disaster outside.
Agreed. Everyone thinks here in SEA we are a bunch of wussies cause we don't see snow...but in Seattle the temperature always stays around freezing, so that means slushy snow that turns into ice quickly. SEA/PDX get a bit of freezing rain which is much worse than dry and frigid snow that you see in DEN or places way up north.
Plus, if you've ever been to Seattle you know that there aren't many flat parts, and there are enough bridges (which freeze much more quickly than roads built on solid ground) that once a few accidents occur and traffic slows down...leads to mayhem. A snowplow can clear the runway quickly, but trying to fight icy/slick conditions is much more difficult, which is what we have here. I just drove home and there is black ice everywhere. It's not snow we are worried about, it's ice. And it's everywhere.
rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6195 posts, RR: 25 Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13357 times:
Quoting 707lvr (Reply 20): Traveling about 1/3 the plane's length doesn't really sound like 'out of control' to me, but I doubt if it slid thousands of feet past the regular turn-out either. The other paper is also taking its report from the FAA statement, that it was a "driving event," and not an in-flight problem.
From that info and the rest of the thread it sounds like the pilots were taxi down the runway after landing and failed to see/ make the last turn off taxiway - going slightly into the overrun area. With wet and icing conditions - it may have been a short skid as they tried to turn and did not realize the conditions.
cirrusdriver From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9927 times:
Anyone know which runway they used? 34L or 34R?
25 airportugal310: Naw, I just think your all bunch of wussies, period (thats a joke, btw. since I am sure at least one of you will take 'offense') What did the end tot
26 CargoLex: I've never seen a 744 come in on 34L, although I have seen DC10s, 772s, A333s, and 77Ws use it (mainly as 16R), so I guess it's possible. It seems ver
27 tdscanuck: About 6", depending on where you are. Tom.
28 Aaron747: Would the crew be subject to reprimand and/or investigation for a 100-foot overrun into the safety area?
29 seabosdca: It's not only because Seattleites are wussies. SEA and Seattle are well-positioned for particularly nasty icing events. When it's snowing, the tempera
30 thegooddoctor: Oh, and people in Seattle are bad at driving. (Yes, I live there. Yes, I learned to drive somewhere else )
31 copter808: Wow, must have been a REALLY slow newsday at SeaTac!
32 Oshkosh1: I grew up in the Midwest...and then lived (literally) between runways at PAE(in the former Navy Housing). Getting snow there was always a mess. I was
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