Goblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12321 times:
If Aeroflot uses the a319 through 321 and the 737, why doesn't DL for example utilize IL-86, 76. Or the Antonovs and Tupolevs? I figured they didn't years ago b/c of the Iron Curtain and not wanting western influences and all, but what about today? Lastly, were they ever chartered by someone from the USA? Diversion?
Being Russian I think it might be cool to fly in a Russian-made a/c.
luckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12303 times:
1. Historically the US carriers have long standing relationships with Boeing and now with Airbus.
2. Public perception
3. Availability -- it takes a very long time for Russian manufacturers to produce a small number of airframes
4. Airframe support
5. Little to no second-hand market
6. Until recently the technology of Russian airliners made them very fuel inefficient when compared to their Western counterparts
flyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12260 times:
The problem is that for much of the last decades, Russian aircraft were not competitive. The technology was old, fuel burn was high, and many did not meet noise requirements. As new aircraft are being developed (like the Sukhoi Superjet), this technology gap has been greatly reduced.
Then we get to the point that Russian aircraft have an image problem in the West. To many people, Russian aircraft = Soviet aircraft = old, rickety and dangerous. The Russian manufacturers will have to put a lot of work and effort into PR if they want this stereotypical perception to change.
EDIT: See the post above mine for confirmation.
[Edited 2010-11-23 10:52:36]
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hausauflennon From Barbados, joined Jul 2009, 87 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11896 times:
This is an interesting question that I've asked myself in the past. I wonder how types like the Sukhoi jet will fare in the West. I can see some smaller carriers throughout the West, particularly in the Latin America, Caribbean region, perhaps playing with the idea of the Sukhoi jet, but not any major US carriers for sure.
EnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 846 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11368 times:
Except for the Antonov heavy lifters are there any civil aviation aircraft that Russia makes currently that out perform western aircraft in a similar mission profile? It also seems that the manufacturing rate is too slow. Orders sit on the order book for years and years until it no longer makes sense to buy.
Bureaucromancer From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11358 times:
That said, most of the newer types are at least intended for full European and FAA certification. The real problem is ensuring availability, support and efficiency at this point. Combine that with the fact that there just hasn't been any aircraft that makes importing Russian types worth exposing a business to the risks involved and it hasn't happened; as to whether it will - well, it depends, but I sort of doubt that anything is going to dramatically change the concerns about after market support or delivery timelines anytime soon.
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 8118 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11137 times:
Aeroflot operates a fleet of 74 Airbus and 14 Boeing aircraft and just six IL-96s and has 23 Airbus and 17 IL-96s on order.
S7 Airlines operates 30 Airbus and 8 Boeing aircraft and a sole IL-86 and has 19 Airbus and 10 Boeing aircraft on order.
Transaero operates a fleet of 52 Boeing aircraft with an additional two EMB120s and just three Tu 214s and has 2 Boeing and 2 Tu 214s on order.
Of course there are many Russian airlines primarily operating within the Russian Federation that operate fleets entirely composed of Antanov, Ilyushin, Tupolev and/or Yakovlev aircraft. But if the more significant Russian international airlines do not fly more than a few Russian manufactured aircraft there has to be a good reason why they chose primarily Airbus and Boeing fleets.
If the Russians suddenly produce an aircraft that can outperform any of the Airbus/Boeing range then you will see an sudden increase in European carriers using it, then followed by the US carriers. While politics/PR was an important factor we will see economics playing a graeter role in the coming years. If the Sukhoi SSJ is good enough it will get the orders,maybe leading on to a larger succesor.........
tsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8790 times:
Frankly Russian airframes are known for their sturdiness and rugged performance...the main reason is lack of after market support, and engine performance...I suspect if Western engines can be fitted to their airframes, and part/maintenence support becomes as reliable as A&B standards, the reasonable price of Russian aircraft will make them more enticing to Western airlines in the future.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11945 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8051 times:
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 18):
IF I see a potential for the Russian industry, it would be with dedicated cargo aircraft. Cargo is far less to be cinvinced to board an Antonov than passenegers a Tupolev.
I'm not so sure the latter is a particularly big problem any more. Perhaps when the USA was centric to the aircraft industry and the largest single market for commercial aircraft in the free world, but it has long since lost that crown thanks to growth in the Far East and Europe. There isn't such a strong stigma attached to Tupolev's, Ilyushins etc... elsewhere, sure there still some bias, but it's not on the kind of unworkable level that the American market has towards Russian manufacturers.
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