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BA Mix Fleet Update On Routes And Progress?  
User currently offlineTFFIP From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 203 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 8229 times:

Interested to know whether there is any more information on the routes planned for the new
mix fleet?
(Didn't see the old link on this in here but on iphone and limited scope.time)

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User currently offlineA320boy From UK - England, joined Jun 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7971 times:

Currently Prague and Pisa, St Petersburg, Denver, Las Vegas, Budapest and Paris Orly to start soon with the DEN and LAS starting Dec 1st.

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7897 times:

What is the BA "mix fleet" ?

User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7882 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 2):
What is the BA "mix fleet" ?

It's the new hire cabin crew who are being employed on new inexpensive contracts in order to bring British Airways crew costs in line with industry norms.

This site outlines it as well as the salary and so on http://www.beoutstanding.co.uk/



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7882 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 2):
What is the BA "mix fleet" ?

A new fleet at LHR with a base of crew that do both Long Haul and Short Haul flying, like at Gatwick, in addition to the normal World Wide and Euro fleet crew at the airport.


User currently offlineA320boy From UK - England, joined Jun 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7882 times:

Its simply a new cabin crew fleet
BA is currently split into 2 fleets at LHR and 1 at LGW

Eurofleet (Shorthaul) work A319/320/321 and B767
Worldwide (longhaul) work B767/B777/B747

and LGW work Singlefleet B777/B737 and some crew Airbus rated as well

BA have now introduced MixedFleet @ LHR which is A319/320/321 and B777

Its just basically which crew operate which routes.


User currently offlineA320boy From UK - England, joined Jun 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7801 times:

Not a MF route though so don't understand why its posted here, sorry

User currently offlineTFFIP From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7454 times:

I understand why they have the mix fleet but how/why did they select these routes?
I somehow thought they would have concentrated on getting new contract people
into high maintenance cost centers

(((Let us try however not to turn this thread into a debate on the rights and wrongs
of the various factions at BA)))


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

Quoting TFFIP (Reply 8):
I understand why they have the mix fleet but how/why did they select these routes?
I somehow thought they would have concentrated on getting new contract people
into high maintenance cost centers

I think the strategy of BA is to put mixed fleet into those routes from LHR that have the lowest yields in both shorthaul and longhaul and may be new routes as well. Let's look at the actual list:

Prague and Pisa, St Petersburg, Denver, Las Vegas, Budapest and Paris Orly

It does not look like these are the cash cows of the network and with LAS being upgraded to 744, there might be changes coming along. I guess we could see SAN and may the SIN & SYD being mixed fleet routes.

me 2 cents



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User currently offlineA320boy From UK - England, joined Jun 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7276 times:

BA need to be careful when choosing routes.
They cannot be seeing to be cherry picking routes such as NRT, BKK/SYD, SIN/SYD as these are high earning trips for current crew.
BA have said routes will also move around, so for 6 months Mixedfleet could operate the LAS, then it may move back to Worldwide, and a different worldwide route operated by mixedfleet.

BA have not yet shown on what grounds they will choose which routes will move between fleets.


User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7196 times:

Quoting A320boy (Reply 10):
They cannot be seeing to be cherry picking routes such as NRT, BKK/SYD, SIN/SYD as these are high earning trips for current crew.

But realistically they can. Crew have no rights to fly certain routes, and if they dont like it they can perhaps go on strike - but we've seen how ineffective they can be. BA have agreed to discuss route transfers between fleets before they happen, but as we have seen recently discussion does not mean they need to get agreement for the transfers to happen. Could they actually strike based on the fact they lose routes? Probably not as they have no right to keep those routes.

A number of non-unionised crew have also signed up to have their earnings protected so they would be unaffected by the transfers of those high earning routes anyway

I think for the next two years you wont see any of the prime routes move such as NRT and SIN/SYD, but in a few years when the union is weaker and the commuting crew have gone and some of the long timers are outnumbered then those prime routes will be moved to the Mixed Fleet. The CEO would be mad not to.



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User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6591 times:

Quoting A320boy (Reply 1):
Currently Prague and Pisa, St Petersburg, Denver, Las Vegas, Budapest and Paris Orly to start soon with the DEN and LAS starting Dec 1st.

I flew to PRG and back last week and have to say all of the MF cabin crew were very pleasant and professional.


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6016 times:

I have a question.

DAR is served with B767 twice a week, how do they do with the rotation for the crews?? I don´t think they stay in DAR for 3 or 4 days doing nothing, but they haven´t got more B767 around. NBO is B777.


User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5966 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 12):
DAR is served with B767 twice a week, how do they do with the rotation for the crews?? I don´t think they stay in DAR for 3 or 4 days doing nothing, but they haven´t got more B767 around

The return flight departs the following day to I assume crew get one night downroute.


User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5907 times:

I had heard of the following routes going accross to MF;

Abuja
Denver
Las Vegas
Mauritius
Montreal
Nairobi

Amsterdam
Budapest
Copenhagen
Prague
St Petersburg

There were several more but I can't remember them. It will be interesting to see also, if the LAS stays on MF, or is given back to Long Haul crews with the 747 upgrade. DFW was also on the list, but that too is going to the 747.

It was mooted that any new routes that come into the company will go straight to MF, if this is the case, so far are;

Buenos Aires
San Diego
Tokyo Haneda

Luxembourg
Paris Orly

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineaussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5858 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 12):
DAR is served with B767 twice a week, how do they do with the rotation for the crews

The crew actually stay there until the next flight comes in. So it can be a 3 or 4 night stop. And well liked by those that fly on the B767 I understand


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5808 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 12):

DAR is served with B767 twice a week, how do they do with the rotation for the crews?? I don´t think they stay in DAR for 3 or 4 days doing nothing, but they haven´t got more B767 around. NBO is B777.
Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 13):
The return flight departs the following day to I assume crew get one night downroute.
Quoting aussiestu (Reply 15):

The crew actually stay there until the next flight comes in. So it can be a 3 or 4 night stop. And well liked by those that fly on the B767 I understand

I always hoped to see an Africa trip on my roster, they were great trips to pick up, but rare. Not amazing money, no bunks and long(ish) trips to only have 2 days off so commuting crew from Europe hated them but the time downroute more than made up for it. The other 4 or 5 day African trips were EBB and LUN, can't remember any more? Crew either hated or loved the 767 from personal experience. It was the true marmite aircraft on Worldwide. It carried some of the longest trips/least flying hour combos such as long DXB's and the NAS run. LAD is the only longhaul route where the crew do minimum rest then go straight back as negotiated by BASSA at the time, AFAIK, and this is a 777. Even CAI and TLV are 24 hour layovers, there are no there-and-backs on Worldwide with the exception of shuttles downroute such as GRU-EZE-GRU so it will be interesting to see what happens with these routes when they are transferred.

[Edited 2010-11-24 12:41:15]

[Edited 2010-11-24 12:42:35]


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User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 743 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5785 times:

ORY will NOT be flown by Mixed Fleet crew in January '11 as it is in the bid package for existing Eurofleet crew, including the late nightstopping service.


Worked on - Caravelle Mercure A300 A320 F27 SD3-60 BAe146 747-100/200/400 DC10-30 767 777 737-400 757 A319 A321
User currently offlineTFFIP From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

How is recruitment going for this?
How many of the 1200 or so for the year will be in place at the end of the first 6 months?


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