AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7562 times:
Quoting TFFIP (Reply 8): I understand why they have the mix fleet but how/why did they select these routes?
I somehow thought they would have concentrated on getting new contract people
into high maintenance cost centers
I think the strategy of BA is to put mixed fleet into those routes from LHR that have the lowest yields in both shorthaul and longhaul and may be new routes as well. Let's look at the actual list:
Prague and Pisa, St Petersburg, Denver, Las Vegas, Budapest and Paris Orly
It does not look like these are the cash cows of the network and with LAS being upgraded to 744, there might be changes coming along. I guess we could see SAN and may the SIN & SYD being mixed fleet routes.
A320boy From UK - England, joined Jun 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7421 times:
BA need to be careful when choosing routes.
They cannot be seeing to be cherry picking routes such as NRT, BKK/SYD, SIN/SYD as these are high earning trips for current crew.
BA have said routes will also move around, so for 6 months Mixedfleet could operate the LAS, then it may move back to Worldwide, and a different worldwide route operated by mixedfleet.
BA have not yet shown on what grounds they will choose which routes will move between fleets.
APYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7341 times:
Quoting A320boy (Reply 10): They cannot be seeing to be cherry picking routes such as NRT, BKK/SYD, SIN/SYD as these are high earning trips for current crew.
But realistically they can. Crew have no rights to fly certain routes, and if they dont like it they can perhaps go on strike - but we've seen how ineffective they can be. BA have agreed to discuss route transfers between fleets before they happen, but as we have seen recently discussion does not mean they need to get agreement for the transfers to happen. Could they actually strike based on the fact they lose routes? Probably not as they have no right to keep those routes.
A number of non-unionised crew have also signed up to have their earnings protected so they would be unaffected by the transfers of those high earning routes anyway
I think for the next two years you wont see any of the prime routes move such as NRT and SIN/SYD, but in a few years when the union is weaker and the commuting crew have gone and some of the long timers are outnumbered then those prime routes will be moved to the Mixed Fleet. The CEO would be mad not to.
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LHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6111 times:
Quoting migair54 (Reply 12): DAR is served with B767 twice a week, how do they do with the rotation for the crews?? I don´t think they stay in DAR for 3 or 4 days doing nothing, but they haven´t got more B767 around
The return flight departs the following day to I assume crew get one night downroute.
HUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6052 times:
I had heard of the following routes going accross to MF;
There were several more but I can't remember them. It will be interesting to see also, if the LAS stays on MF, or is given back to Long Haul crews with the 747 upgrade. DFW was also on the list, but that too is going to the 747.
It was mooted that any new routes that come into the company will go straight to MF, if this is the case, so far are;
A340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5953 times:
Quoting migair54 (Reply 12):
DAR is served with B767 twice a week, how do they do with the rotation for the crews?? I don´t think they stay in DAR for 3 or 4 days doing nothing, but they haven´t got more B767 around. NBO is B777.
Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 13): The return flight departs the following day to I assume crew get one night downroute.
Quoting aussiestu (Reply 15):
The crew actually stay there until the next flight comes in. So it can be a 3 or 4 night stop. And well liked by those that fly on the B767 I understand
I always hoped to see an Africa trip on my roster, they were great trips to pick up, but rare. Not amazing money, no bunks and long(ish) trips to only have 2 days off so commuting crew from Europe hated them but the time downroute more than made up for it. The other 4 or 5 day African trips were EBB and LUN, can't remember any more? Crew either hated or loved the 767 from personal experience. It was the true marmite aircraft on Worldwide. It carried some of the longest trips/least flying hour combos such as long DXB's and the NAS run. LAD is the only longhaul route where the crew do minimum rest then go straight back as negotiated by BASSA at the time, AFAIK, and this is a 777. Even CAI and TLV are 24 hour layovers, there are no there-and-backs on Worldwide with the exception of shuttles downroute such as GRU-EZE-GRU so it will be interesting to see what happens with these routes when they are transferred.
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