enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6135 posts, RR: 13 Posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8559 times:
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
Flights are daily except as noted "/wk" which means per week.
ABE-MDT 2>10/WK means a reduction from 2 daily flights to 10 flights per week which is about 1.5 flights
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
There was a LOT to type, so if you see something really weird ask me, it could be a typo.
bnatraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 380 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8465 times:
I've thought that this was going to return since it left when they initiated BNA-LGA, though I do think the return is somewhat of a response to the new AA BNA-JFK service.
BNA-LGA on DL has had *very* light loads, I wonder if we'll see a drop in service in the future.
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6135 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8197 times:
Quoting bnatraveler (Reply 1): somewhat of a response to the new AA BNA-JFK service.
More than somewhat. That's exactly what it is.
Quoting bnatraveler (Reply 1): BNA-LGA on DL has had *very* light loads, I wonder if we'll see a drop in service in the future.
Something won't survive. It sounds like BNA-LGA.
Quoting loggat (Reply 2): Is this really double daily? I thought it was just one per day, but I didn't read the whole other thread on the BOS/MIA stuff.
YES it is. I was shocked as well, but I was shocked a while ago. In their initial filing they asked for 2 RTs.
bnatraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 380 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8031 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 3): Quoting bnatraveler (Reply 1):
BNA-LGA on DL has had *very* light loads, I wonder if we'll see a drop in service in the future.
Something won't survive. It sounds like BNA-LGA.
BNA-LGA is 3x; the former BNA-JFK service was 2x. I could see 1x BNA-JFK for int'l feed and 2xBNA-LGA for O&D could work, provided that there are enough O&D pax as compared to the current AA BNA-LGA and the likely, soon-to-come WN BNA-LGA.
I think that BNA-NYC is a bit tight now given the fact that it is beyond the 1-class CRJ limits DL imposed and I don't know if there is enough demand between the various current options and now DL to support the seats provided using 2-class RJ service DL provides.
How do you come up with 0.9? It wasn't daily, now it is. Should it not be 0-1? I know you said you calculate the saturday reductions into the equation but it is still one flight on Saturday also?
I just ask cause SWA does this for you already when they release their extended schedule, showing a SUN-FRI flight schedule and a Saturday only IF it is Sat only, and I obviously don't see any decimal difference that you're coming up with.
Alex
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Quoting bnatraveler (Reply 4): I think that BNA-NYC is a bit tight now given the fact that it is beyond the 1-class CRJ limits DL imposed and I don't know if there is enough demand between the various current options and now DL to support the seats provided using 2-class RJ service DL provides.
Lack of 2-class aircraft is also an issue - while Delta has (far) too many 50-seaters, the 70-seat fleet is actually relatively well-utilized.
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Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 14 Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7629 times:
DL cut a route that you didn't include in here. It's not officially loaded until 27NOV though so unless you come up with it I won't be able to post it until then.
A better question is where are the other 3 slots coming from? LOL
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 5): How do you come up with 0.9? It wasn't daily, now it is.
I can only imagine it doesn't start on June 1 and so it is missing a few days of June. Normally, I would just go to the next month to get a full month of service, but I don't have July data yet. I only get 8 months into the future. Frankly, it's a little crazy that WN is loading a full schedule 9 months in the future. That's very weird. Don't they wanna be at all reactive to anything that changes in 3/4s of a year?
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7607 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 8): I'm not sure that will be a super-high priority
STL is probably the clear first priority. I'd assume that MCI/HOU/BNA are next, though not necessarily in that order. CAK and PHF are probably toast, and I bet MKE is too. But that's still only 7 or 8 slots.
[Edited 2010-11-24 10:44:06]
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atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7547 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 8): Frankly, it's a little crazy that WN is loading a full schedule 9 months in the future. That's very weird. Don't they wanna be at all reactive to anything that changes in 3/4s of a year?
WN explained that customers are demanding more days and ability to book ahead. Seems WN was losing possible revenue booking by customers going to other airlines because WN wasn't extending the booking schedule.
WN has admitted this is the farthest they have allowed..from the blog...
Today, we put our Summer, 2011 schedule out for sale. We're now accepting reservations all the way out until August 12, 2011--nearly 270 days of bookable inventory. That's the most we've EVER had available for sale!!!
So at this point in time don't expect too much drastic changes if any, and I know you'll be the first to catch any WN changes.
Expect an EWR announcement for the 2nd round sometimes soon.
Alex
Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 14 Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7514 times:
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 11): Ouch. MSP got hit pretty hard this spring.
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6135 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7288 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9): STL is probably the clear first priority.
I'm not so sure. Do they really need it from both EWR and LGA when slots are so tight at both?
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9): I'd assume that MCI/HOU/BNA are next,
No Florida? I know it's low yield, but...
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9): CAK and PHF are probably toast, and I bet MKE is too. But that's still only 7 or 8 slots.
If you are right, they might as well fold up CAK and PHF. Even if they get F9 or NK to come in there with more flights, they aren't going to get slots easily.
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 10): WN explained that customers are demanding more days and ability to book ahead.
Probably true, but the difference between WN and everybody else is that WN really doesn't do ANY schedule changes once they sell a schedule. They may add flights (EWR) and sometimes they cancel a Saturday or two from an already published schedule, but up until now they do not change their schedules once published unless their is an Act of God or War. That may be about to go in the trash bin, because I don't see how you can publish a schedule 9 months in advance...not change it at all...and call that optimizing revenue.
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 10): Expect an EWR announcement for the 2nd round sometimes soon.
The big question is whether EWR-BOS is in it. If it is, then it will blunt B6 and cost a lot of slots. If not, they will be adding alot of other destinations. It might be smarter to go after B6 on EWR-Florida. They had to really rip up their Florida schedule to mine the slots for BOS-EWR.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19 Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7233 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 13): I'm not so sure. Do they really need it from both EWR and LGA when slots are so tight at both?
I think so. STL is the first city where WN is making a conscious effort to become the airline of choice for business passengers. That's why they started BOS and MSP so soon in those stations' lives, and why they've announced EWR even with limited slots. Can WN be the airline of choice for business passengers without LGA (and DCA)? I don't think so.
Quoting enilria (Reply 13): No Florida? I know it's low yield, but...
Maybe - but I'd think that that, too, would be a similar priority to BNA, HOU, and MCI if they're interested (and I might throw more BWI and/or MDW in there too).
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
Super80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1637 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7058 times:
Interesting... Does that mean they are flying the route daily and are dropping it down to 5 per week, or is it once per week going up to 5? When did (do) they start flying to Iceland?
steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8811 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6855 times:
Are all those frequencies going to be MD80 equipment? I saw PIT going from 3 to 4. Is that extra frequency mainline or AA/Eagle?
Nice to see an additional frequency on DTW-PIT courtesy of DL. All the additional flights from WN into PIT aren't that big of a shock. I saw the press releases on those last week. This could be the first time in a decade since PIT saw an annual increase in pax...
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Super80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1637 posts, RR: 12 Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6704 times:
Quoting steeler83 (Reply 18): Are all those frequencies going to be MD80 equipment? I saw PIT going from 3 to 4. Is that extra frequency mainline or AA/Eagle?
CLE is going to 3x MD80, and PIT is going to 4x MD80.
Right now there is an AA MD-80 flying over my house.
I never understood why Delta dropped the third FWA-ATL last year in the first place. DL dropped it at a time (fall 2010 schedule) when FWA loads and yields in general, DL included, were improving to record levels. FWA's traffic is up 4% so far this year from 2009 despite fewer seats available versus 2009, and every little flight counts.
Anyway, it's great to see the third DL ATL flight back (plus Eagle's fourth ORD).
Overrall there are 4 more flights. We can be sure now that this spring they won't launch the expect 4 new european routes + the new south american one...
DL cut a route that you didn't include in here. It's not officially loaded until 27NOV though so unless you come up with it I won't be able to post it until then.
They are also adding a new route out of a slot-restricted airport. But again, can't say until 27NOV. The slot is coming off a route that has already been mentioned in this thread.
25 FWAERJ: Is that slot coming from BNA-LGA? FWA-MSP returns in June, too. It's not officially announced, but it was just loaded into delta.com today. DL4018 (o
27 bnatraveler: delta.com is showing the following operating as of 5/12/11: DL6390 BNA 1100 JFK 1430 CR7 DL5983 BNA 0745 LGA 1059 E75 DL6294 BNA 1020 LGA 1334 CR7 DL
28 flyCMH: It appears to be a flaw in Sabre when the schedule was updated. There is an upguage in equipment scheduled on the CMH-DFW route for the above-mention
29 MAH4546: LRM is going seasonal, I am told. The airport is privately owned and the route is basically a subsidized service. JFK-CMH/DCA are not gaining flights
30 DFWEagle: I think the JFK-DCA and JFK-BOS changes are errors and will remain at 5x daily each. I also think JFK-CMH will remain at 2x daily. The reduction in J
31 MAH4546: It has to be used on MIA-MDE. AA has no choice. With open skies pending, AA might try to move it around. But AA did this a few months ago - remove MI
32 SANFan: I'm very happy to see AA doubling SAN-JFK at least for the summer! (They have taken the back seat to both DL and B6 in the market over the last couple
33 steeler83: Wow. I didn't realize that DFW-PIT was all mainline equipment. The last time I checked they had 2 MD80s and 2 CRJs. Nice to see it entirely served wi
34 aflyingkiwi: I really don't know what DL was thinking when they started this route. There are tons of better places to put a 757 from JFK. I wonder how well DL do
36 kgaiflyer: Ah. Someone finally noticed that El Paso is *closer to Denver* than to Houston.
37 OA412: Is it the LAS-SNA route that was mentioned in another thread? Last year, DL did mention that its Pacific beach markets (HNL, SPN, GUM) were actually
38 FL787: No. It's an east coast slot restricted airport.
39 FWAERJ: There are only 4 (5?) east coast slot-restricted airports: JFK, LGA, EWR, DCA, and maybe HPN. I'd say LGA. And I'm willing to bet that LGA-BNA is the
40 Summa767: AA is only tied to 7 weekly frequencies to MDE. The other 7 could be used on BOG or CLO. What I would not understand is if AA were to increase MIA-BO
41 AVLAirlineFreq: Very happy to see it back, but was hoping it would go 2x/day, and start before June (it started in April this year). The route did well, at least in
42 atrude777: No one said the route is being CUT, just there is a slot transfer from this route (that already exists) to a new route that will be released on Nov 2
44 atrude777: We'll see! Actually to clarify, Transpac787 has mentioned a route is being cut, he did not say this was a slot specific airport though, this cut has
45 steex: My guess is a reduction to 3x daily on STL-DCA, especially in light of the fact that AA also seems to be pulling back. Granted, DL theoretically shou
46 Cubsrule: WN may also start STL-DCA when it gets control of the FL slots. If so, that'll be the end of at least one of DL and AA on the route.
47 FL787: DL is starting DCA-MSY with that slot. The route that is ending is SLC-MOT. All 3 changes show on delta.com now.
49 steex: Ending SLC-MOT doesn't surprise me all that much, I suspect it's probably hurt by UA also starting DEN-MOT. The hop to DEN is noticeably shorter than
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