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Interior Upgrades Of DL's Ex-NWA 5500 Series 757's?  
User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6750 times:

Does anyone know what the status is of the interior updates for Delta's ex-NW 5500 series 757's? I am supposed to fly on one TPA-ATL in a few days and was curious if the updates are complete yet. I thought there was talk of a high density configuration for these, but doesn't seem likely they will get personal TV's.


Bill in ATL
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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6669 times:

Quoting TLHFLA (Thread starter):
Does anyone know what the status is of the interior updates for Delta's ex-NW 5500 series 757's? I am supposed to fly on one TPA-ATL in a few days and was curious if the updates are complete yet. I thought there was talk of a high density configuration for these, but doesn't seem likely they will get personal TV's.

They have not started the updates on these aircraft yet.



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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6664 times:
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Delta announced internally a few weeks ago that the "first phase" of the cabin rework on the 5500's was complete. What this is, I don't know.

I think it's fair to assume the seat covers were replaced, the Delta carpet placed down and the 'N' compass logo replaced on the forward bulkheads. All stuff that can be done on overnight's.

Additional interior work is to commence next fall and into early '12 on the 5500's. It's believed this will be relaminating the sidewalls, modifying the overhead bins and perhaps replacing the PSU (passenger service units)....and just maybe a cabin reconfiguration to the "high density" mentioned internally. Delta has announced plans to place 26 first class seats in all 757's going forward.

[Edited 2010-11-24 19:18:42]

User currently offlineSkyPriorityDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6360 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 2):
What this is, I don't know.

As a gate agent in DTW, I see a lot of 757 (5500's). The only modifications that have been done are seat covers, carpeting, and replacements of the compass on the bulkhead. Actually, these have been done for quite some time now. As n7371f mentioned, modifications will start next year and go into 2012. No IFE on these birds as of right now though...



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User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6360 times:

I haven't seen and I tried to look but has DL said what they plan to do with the 757 fleet in regards to streamlining the fleet. I am surprised that it wasn't decided to take the PMNW 75N 5500 series and swap those with the PMNW 75A to match the 75E BE configured aircraft. Then either go with one sub-fleet of domestically configured aircraft or just two, the 75X (former Song which does not have the mid-cabin galley by the R2 door) and regular domestic. And of course have your 75J series. And with the 753 in the mix, is the 75V still necessary? If I am not mistaken, that was for Hawaii. This would eliminate the crazy list of 752/U, 75X, 75V, 75E, 75N (5500 & 5600), 75A, and 75J and I'm sure the planning department would love to have this flexibility and give you a +14 of INTL configured 757s (if you include stored 75Ns).

[Edited 2010-11-24 22:33:10]

User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

goal is to get down to 4 total 757 types.


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User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6068 times:

Aren't the overhead bins really small on these planes? Has that caused a problem with so many people bringing more carry ons?


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6474 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6035 times:

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 5):
goal is to get down to 4 total 757 types.

I'm guessing the four layouts will be 75X (all PMDL and PMNW domestic aircraft with overwing exits), 75N (PMNW 5500-series), 75E (PMDL ex-TWA ETOPS international), and 75A (PMNW international 5600-series).



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User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2191 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5914 times:

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 4):
I am surprised that it wasn't decided to take the PMNW 75N 5500 series and swap those with the PMNW 75A to match the 75E BE configured aircraft.

Umm, no. Other then the fact that both the 75N 5500s and 75E planes have four doors there's little in common with the aircraft. Most important, the 75Es are ETOPS certified (of course) and the 75N 5500s are not. The 75Es have winglets and the 75Ns do not. I also believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong), that the 5500s have PW2037 and the 75Es have PW2040s. There is a signifiant investment to make a 757 ETOPs capable. Why throw away the investment that was put into the 75As just to 'match' the rest of the domestic fleet?

Quoting TLHFLA (Reply 6):
Aren't the overhead bins really small on these planes? Has that caused a problem with so many people bringing more carry ons?

I was on a 5500 series last week. Most people were able to get their rollerboards in wheels first. The overhead bin doors have a big curve in them so even if the rollerboard is sticking out a little bit, they fit into the curve of the door when it's closed.


User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5763 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
I'm guessing the four layouts will be 75X (all PMDL and PMNW domestic aircraft with overwing exits), 75N (PMNW 5500-series), 75E (PMDL ex-TWA ETOPS international), and 75A (PMNW international 5600-series).

I would guess one of these would have to give considering that they would probably not give up the 75J configuration.

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 8):
the 75Es are ETOPS certified (of course) and the 75N 5500s are not.

If DL wants to grow their 757 INTL fleet, then what better aircraft? Besides, all the 757s are pretty old so age doesn't matter.

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 8):
The 75Es have winglets and the 75Ns do not.

They are all becoming winglet equipped so that doesn't matter.

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 8):
I also believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong), that the 5500s have PW2037 and the 75Es have PW2040s

The 757s with PW2040s are 753s. The 75Es have PW2037s just like the 75Ns.

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 8):
Why throw away the investment that was put into the 75As just to 'match' the rest of the domestic fleet?

TATL is not the only reason DL has ETOPS capable 757s. The 75V is a primary example as it is mostly used for Hawaii flying. Since there is only 8 75As, this can be a complement to the 75Vs as well as grow competition in places like Hawaii and Micronesia or wherever else they could use ETOPS aircraft such as ATL or Florida to South America.

[Edited 2010-11-25 09:34:54]

User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5752 times:

I would expect the 75V's to be retired and replaced by 75A's - actually - this seems in process. The only regular 75V schedule I can find is ATL-SLC-LAX-KOA

User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 10):
I would expect the 75V's to be retired and replaced by 75A's - actually - this seems in process. The only regular 75V schedule I can find is ATL-SLC-LAX-KOA

In Dec it's scheduled to do LIH as well. They route pretty frequently through LAX in Dec as well.


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2368 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

Quoting TLHFLA (Reply 6):
Aren't the overhead bins really small on these planes? Has that caused a problem with so many people bringing more carry ons?

It's not the size, its the metal raised area at the front of the bin that rollaboards have to go over to get back into the bin. This can restrict an overloaded rollaboard from fitting between the rod and the top of the bin causing it not to enter the bin. Once you get over that metal "hump" the rollaboard fits pretty well.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 5416 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 8):
The 75Es have winglets and the 75Ns do not.

Not necessarily. The 75N code doesn't distinguish between the 5500 series and 5600 series planes. All but one of the domestic 5600s have winglets, though no 5500s do.

[Edited 2010-11-25 15:03:16]


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User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

Slightly off topic, but how are the MD88 mods going?

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 14):
Slightly off topic, but how are the MD88 mods going?

Just the one so far. N920DE. No galley in the back, of course. They also put new seats in up front, all with power ports and removed the hard bulkhead between F and Y.



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User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2191 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 9):
If DL wants to grow their 757 INTL fleet, then what better aircraft? Besides, all the 757s are pretty old so age doesn't matter.

You're missing the point - the 5500s are NOT ETOPs certified! It's just not a matter of upgrading the interior and changing the seats to BE - there is a significant investment per aircraft to make one ETOPS. Plus the 5500s are on average 10 years older than the 75Es. I'm not sure that DL would want to make this investment on 25 year old aircraft.

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 9):
They are all becoming winglet equipped so that doesn't matter.

Can you provide a source? Last I heard is that the 5500s were going to remain wingletless.

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 9):
The 757s with PW2040s are 753s. The 75Es have PW2037s just like the 75Ns.

You are right, I stand corrected.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 13):
Not necessarily. The 75N code doesn't distinguish between the 5500 series and 5600 series planes. All but one of the domestic 5600s have winglets, though no 5500s do.

You are right - I meant to say 75N (5500).


User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 15):

What's the rate they plan to get these done? Seems kind of slow.


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 4111 times:
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Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 13):


Not necessarily. The 75N code doesn't distinguish between the 5500 series and 5600 series planes. All but one of the domestic 5600s have winglets, though no 5500s do.

[Edited 2010-11-25 15:03:16]

Unless something changed very recently, like a week or so, that is incorrect.

757-5600's in the domestic configuration are 756's; 757-5500's are 75N's. There is a different capacity between the two, hence the need for different designations. The 756's have 2 more seats in Y for 162 whereas the 75N's have 160 in Y. These planes also have different configurations due the differences in overwing & non-overwing exits - another reason for different codes.


User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 4030 times:
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Quoting n7371f (Reply 18):

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 13):


Not necessarily. The 75N code doesn't distinguish between the 5500 series and 5600 series planes. All but one of the domestic 5600s have winglets, though no 5500s do.

[Edited 2010-11-25 15:03:16]

Unless something changed very recently, like a week or so, that is incorrect.

757-5600's in the domestic configuration are 756's; 757-5500's are 75N's. There is a different capacity between the two, hence the need for different designations. The 756's have 2 more seats in Y for 162 whereas the 75N's have 160 in Y. These planes also have different configurations due the differences in overwing & non-overwing exits - another reason for different codes.

Actually, he's correct. The 75N denotes that the aircraft is non-video equipped, so the 75N is both the 5500 and 5600 series(without the video equipment).

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 9):
Quoting akelley728 (Reply 8):
The 75Es have winglets and the 75Ns do not.

They are all becoming winglet equipped so that doesn't matter.

What I was told by a mechanic when we were NWA, is that 757-5500 cannot be wingleted because the main wingspar does not extend to where winglets can be safely attached to the wing as the later 5600s were.



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User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 733 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Have most of these left Marana now? There have been a few Delta 757s departing from Marana in the last couple of weeks which I assumed were from the 5500 batch. It would be nice to see them all back in service.

User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 3830 times:
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Quoting Candid76 (Reply 20):
Have most of these left Marana now? There have been a few Delta 757s departing from Marana in the last couple of weeks which I assumed were from the 5500 batch. It would be nice to see them all back in service.

N519US, N532US, N533US, and N534US have left the desert within the past month and are currently undergoing maintenance in preparation for return to service. There should still be about 6 5500s left at MZJ, but I believe the plan is to bring them all back at some point.


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3616 times:
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Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 19):
Actually, he's correct. The 75N denotes that the aircraft is non-video equipped, so the 75N is both the 5500 and 5600 series(without the video equipment).

Yeah I checked the internal DL fleet information and they are all 75N. Strange b/c I had previously come across some documents that listed 5651-5657 as 756. Maybe that was dated info and before the full changeover to DL in Jan. And no wonder why the f/a and gate agents complain about the various 757 configurations - you've got a code system for aircraft that previously designated each code for a different configuration and/or mission (M90 vs M9K, 73Y vs 73H) but that's not the case on the domestic Northwest 757's, which do have different configs.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 19):
What I was told by a mechanic when we were NWA, is that 757-5500 cannot be wingleted because the main wingspar does not extend to where winglets can be safely attached to the wing as the later 5600s were.

I was told the same thing. But I don't recall if it is all 5500 series or the first several delivered. The way it was told to me was using the similarities at Alaska with the 737-900's: the first 3 739's cannot be wingleted because of a earlier wing design used on the first (3) -900's delivered. The rest of the AS 739's did get winglets.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 2):
Additional interior work is to commence next fall and into early '12 on the 5500's. It's believed this will be relaminating the sidewalls, modifying the overhead bins and perhaps replacing the PSU (passenger service units)....and just maybe a cabin reconfiguration to the "high density" mentioned internally. Delta has announced plans to place 26 first class seats in all 757's going forward.



That would make sense. The 75s with nose-to-tail AVOD are 26F 158Y. Those without (PMDL save a few odd balls) are 24F 159Y. The standard moving forward is to be as you stated.



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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3495 times:
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Yes, they did away with the 756 designation when we got our Delta on-board manuals we actually never saw any variation of the 757 in our bid analysis. The 752's were just 757 while the 757-300 was 753, because of the requirement of an additional crew member.
I think mgmt and the pilots are the only ones that like the 757, cuss the passengers cabin crew and the agents hate the plane, too many configs narrow seats, narrow aisles etc. I still am fuzzy on all the U's V's, X's, E's, and what they mean. And don't get me started on the 767, I only know difference between the 76C and 76D, which is a pity cuss we'll never the see them out of where I'm based



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25 FlyASAGuy2005 : Yes, there are many internal designations but from what i'm hearing, by 2012, everything should be aligned. Not bad considering everything that has b
26 TLHFLA : Wound up on a 5600 series 757 today instead of a 5500 as a 5600 was subbed at the last minute due to mechanical issues with the scheduled 5500. The in
27 jetjack74 : I'm on ship 5503 to ATL today with PMNW seats but leather covers. Actually looks nice for a change than the gaudy old cloth seat covers of days of old
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