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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 535 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14202 times:

Slot list @OSL, Finlay official for the press tomorrow.
We are therefore glad to finally be able to release information about Delta and Oslo Airport Gardermoen.

Delta have acquired daily slots at OSL for a JFK service, with a Boeing 767-300 (262 seats)

Flight number DL0036/ DL0037 (1234567 from 29MAR to 28OCT. 763 JFK JFK 0730 0945 JFK JFK )

These are the current services to New York, planned for the summer 2011 season.

CO double daily Boeing 757-200 service to EWR
SK daily Airbus 330-300 to EWR
DL daily Boeing 767-300 to JFK

(US also serving PHL daily with a 757-200)

We will know in January if Delta goes ahead with their plans from OSL or if SK have managed to defend their home market for the 2011 season with their OSL-EWR service (starting service in the end of march 2011)

More info to be presented tomorrow.

[Edited 2010-11-25 13:39:41]

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User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1012 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14155 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Thread starter):
Delta have acquired daily slots at OSL for a JFK service, with a Boeing 767-300 (262 seats)

That would be the domestic configuration on the B763. The internationally-used B767-300(ER) aircraft have 215 or 216 seats in total depending on which subfleet the respective frame is in.

[Edited 2010-11-25 13:44:17]


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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14143 times:

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 1):
Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 1):

Might be so, but they are in with 262 seats for the slots 


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14125 times:

It sounds strange to me the 767 on the route.
Out of JFK DL flies with 757 to both CPH, ARN in Scandinavia.


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14016 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 3):

Hi LIPZ

ARN/CPH have direct services with great cargo capacity on SK' 343/333 services to EWR/ORD/IAH.
There is a great demand for direct cargo capacity from OSL to the US, but the current CO/US 757-200 services does not allow this. That's one of the reasons why DL is in with a 767-300.


User currently offlinevadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13733 times:

I do not understand why this 'rush' for NYC from Oslo?!
There must be other US destinations that would be possible, especially Chicago or alternatively Atlanta.

For years we only had CO to EWR (7weekly winter/14 weekly summer) on B752. It is confirmed that SAS wants to start a daily A333 service to EWR in March'11, and now Delta with B763 to JFK?!

Well, at least it will be some real cheap tickets to NYC summer'11.
US will also have it's daily B752 to Philadelphia for Summer'11.


User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13137 times:

Nice to see DL plan to reintroduce OSL, although in the past, they flew JFK-FBU. It's been 17 years since DL has flown to Oslo. I wish they had this flight when I use to go there more often five or six years ago! I always used Icelandair, it was the fastest way to OSL before the CO flights. Even with the KEF connection. I'm also surprised to see the 767 being used, considering the two CO and one SK flight. I remember when NW tried MSP-OSL on the DC-10 -30 in 1999, and it didn't even last a full year! Then SK pulled out with flights to EWR shortly thereafter.



[Edited 2010-11-25 20:59:24]

User currently offlineDLBOIFIN From Finland, joined Jun 2006, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12873 times:

Seems that there will be quite an amazing amount of seats available between OSL and NYC area next summer. I wonder if that will last, it certainly will be challenging to fill all those seats profitably.

User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2717 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12197 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Thread starter):
Delta have acquired daily slots at OSL for a JFK service, with a Boeing 767-300 (262 seats)

This was very suprising, but welcomed news!   Thank you for sharing g2Scandinavia!

Quoting vadheim (Reply 5):
Well, at least it will be some real cheap tickets
to NYC summer'11

I would expect so too!

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 6):
I remember when NW tried MSP-OSL on the DC-10 -30 in 1999, and it didn't even last a full year!

IIRC the route itself was popular enough, but partner KL complained about a decline in traffic from Norway. Scandinavian's make huge contribution to keepin AMS a busy hub, so KL did not like the MSP-OSL. I remember the DL flights. It made FBU seem a bit more international, were it stood right beside SK907 767-300ER. I like that both routes are coming online next year. On a sidenote the last time SAS flew the Boeing jet, and DL The Airbus jet. This time, it is the other way around.

With this news from DL it makes me wonder about the following:

1: Will Norwegian delay their IC plans?
2: Should Feel Air abandon their business idea? After all we will have more than 1000 seats a day from Norway to the U.S. Thai just recently bought the larger 777-300ER for Scandinavian routes. I believe that Feel Air's chances are very slim.



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User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1172 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11151 times:

I think there will be major overcapacity on OSL - NYC with extreme difficulties for new entrants like Norwegian to gain profitability on any US route from Scandinavia now... Not good news for Norwegian.


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User currently onlinepapatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11077 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Thread starter):
Quoting g2scandinavia (Thread starter):

I don't think the domestic 767-300 has the range to do JFK-OSL, the listed range on Delta.com is 3740 miles.


User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11039 times:

IF this route materialises, in spite of the press report, they will use a 757 for sure.

Could just work, as nobody is currently on JFK-OSL.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1172 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10932 times:

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 11):
IF this route materialises, in spite of the press report, they will use a 757 for sure.

Could just work, as nobody is currently on JFK-OSL.

I think so too. I doubt they will put a 767 on that route. But anyway I think Norwegian should rethink their longhaul plans out of OSL... They don´t have the financial power to compete against Delta etc westbound and the likes of Thai going east... One blink from those airlines and Norwegian longhaul would go bust financially...



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User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10707 times:

The route will be a failure at best for DL. CO & US already have the route on lock-down, and SK is starting as well.


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User currently offlineCOalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10531 times:

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 13):

I agree DL is going to be at a disadvantage CO has been in this market for a while now including doable daily flights and CO will be the ONLY carrier in the New York Market offering FlatBed Seats.


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3836 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10341 times:

According to this article in Norwegian

Trafficnumbers show that 123 000 passengers flew between Oslo and New York last year, however 86 000 of them flew via another airport and not directly.


http://www.vg.no/reise/artikkel.php?artid=10019505


User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1172 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10332 times:

Quoting COalways (Reply 14):
and CO will be the ONLY carrier in the New York Market offering FlatBed Seats.

I highly doubt those seats are more than a fraction of a factor of CO:s success on this route. But anyway Continental (which is United by the way) has a better reputation when it comes to service and quality than Delta in Scandinavia.



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User currently onlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3589 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10043 times:

Quoting COalways (Reply 14):
I agree DL is going to be at a disadvantage CO has been in this market for a while now including doable daily flights and CO will be the ONLY carrier in the New York Market offering FlatBed Seats.

CO has flat beds on their 752s now?

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 13):
The route will be a failure at best for DL. CO & US already have the route on lock-down, and SK is starting as well.

Considering that DL will be the only one flying from JFK and also the only one flying the NYC-OSL route from the Skyteam alliance, and also that DL will be the only one flying the route with significant cargo capacity, I would say that DL has a good chance at making it profitable.


User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9998 times:

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 13):
The route will be a failure at best for DL. CO & US already have the route on lock-down, and SK is starting as well.
Quoting COalways (Reply 14):
I agree DL is going to be at a disadvantage CO has been in this market for a while now including doable daily flights and CO will be the ONLY carrier in the New York Market offering FlatBed Seats.

Nonsense.
Again, it's been said before, it's all about the alliances taking advantage of market dynamics. If StarAlliance has a strong presence in a certain market, there is room for OW or SkyTeam in certain situations. This may be one of them.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 15):
Trafficnumbers show that 123 000 passengers flew between Oslo and New York last year, however 86 000 of them flew via another airport and not directly.

And I'm willing to bet a high percentage already connects through AMS on SkyTeam.



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User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1172 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9968 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 17):
Considering that DL will be the only one flying from JFK and also the only one flying the NYC-OSL route from the Skyteam alliance, and also that DL will be the only one flying the route with significant cargo capacity, I would say that DL has a good chance at making it profitable.

If it is EWR or JFK really does not matter since it is the same market but only different airports in the same city. Maybe the transfer network will be a factor and then the strongest of UA/CO and Delta will survive. And the Star Alliance has a stronger position in Norway with SAS being a member. And the cargo issue... I doubt that is a factor... SAS will have any needed capacity on that A330...

I still think any one of those carriers is one too much on OSL - NYC. Everyone will loose in this situation and maybe SAS with the highest cost disadvantage will be the first to leave...



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User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 566 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9920 times:

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 13):
The route will be a failure at best for DL. CO & US already have the route on lock-down, and SK is starting as well.

If you see failure as the best case scenario for DL in this market, please do explain what you see as the worst case scenario? And of course, how you are so sure of this.


User currently offlineairzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 9609 times:

The only reason this flight makes sense is because of ATI.

This is not just true of Delta, but JFK-BUD on AA, and LAX-MAD on IB. I'm sure we'll see more of these types of flights as the need to funnel traffic via AMS, FRA, and CDG diminishes.


User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 9411 times:

Quoting Navigator (Reply 16):
Continental (which is United by the way) has a better reputation when it comes to service and quality than Delta in Scandinavia.

well i dont know about that.... i think DL is better known than CO in Scandinavia.

Regardless, i think this route will do fine for DL. With all the capacity in the market, i do think the 763 will be overkill. I as well predict a 752...but maybe DL knows something we dont. Regardless, nice to see DL back in Norway!


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9213 times:
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Good news indeed  

OSL will soon look like a major airport with 5 long haul planes at the end of the terminal  

I think OSL now really need to change the design of their international terminal to fit all the pax on these flights and LHR...

Cheers
Stein



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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8842 times:

Quoting Navigator (Reply 19):
If it is EWR or JFK really does not matter since it is the same market but only different airports in the same city.

Sort of the same market. As far as O&D numbers are concerend, EWR works better for people in Manhattan and Northern New Jersey. JFK is better for travelers in Brooklyn, Queens, and Long Island. Both geographic areas are home to millions of people whose respective airports suit better, and are more conveinently located for them to get to, as opposed to making to trek to the other airport.

If you live in Northern New Jersey or parts of Manhattan, getting to JFK can be a time consuming pain in the butt. The same goes for people in Brooklyn and parts of Queens when going to EWR,

[Edited 2010-11-26 18:18:42]

25 vadheim : I think one of the reasons why DL consider B763 is also the cargo capacity between the US and Norway. B752 has limited cargo capacity compared to a w
26 toobz : I'm still a little confused on the capacity figure that DL gave. there's no way they are flying a domestic 763 to OSL -so I'm not sure what to think.
27 PWM2TXLHopper : Just curious if anybody could tell me what the supposedly high cargo demand is from Norway to the USA? Is it Salmon and seafood?
28 Navigator : I doubt there is such a demand that is not catered for in other ways like cargo flights out of OSL. I do not think cargo is a factor here since the O
29 Post contains links g2scandinavia : Hi PWM2TXLHopper Fresh seafood: 50 tons a day (35 tons of salemon) to the US market only. (based on 2009 numbers). For 2010, the numbers are up with
30 EBGflyer : How likely is it that DL will go through with this? Apparently it is not unusual for airlines to apply for slots and then not complete the start-up ie
31 airlittoralguy : Does anyone know of the proposed schedules for these fligths ?
32 bobnwa : I have not seen Delta give any info yet about this route, so they couldn't have given seat capacity.
33 g2scandinavia : That differs from airport to airport, but for OSL, approx 90% launch their service. (the last 10 years) Delta differs ab bit, as they where in before
34 Cubsrule : ORD-OSL summer seasonal would probably work on a 752, which makes it even more attractive (the CO/UA 752s probably could not do it consistently in th
35 EBGflyer : No it's not. They will have proven so if they choose to keep flying to OSL after a year or two. Mind you they haven't confirmed the start-up yet. Air
36 Post contains images KaiGywer : WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally some good news!! Give me a 737, just as long as I can fly to Norway on DL Actuall
37 Navigator : There are 747 cargoflights for this purpose and nothing I think DL will take up... The cargomarket from OSL is still tiny in a wider perspective beca
38 Post contains images aviationbuff08 : This might be a factor with starting the route. If DL has a cargo contract that with destination to OSL then its highly possible they would not only
39 Mortyman : We also have oil technology equipment, arms, dry cod, aluminium etc.[Edited 2010-11-28 07:08:15]
40 OyKIE : You do realise that you are questioning a member which is employed to monitor the Origin and destination traffic to/from Norway and OSL? When that me
41 Navigator : I´m talking about airfreight. That market is tiny out of OSL, and already catered for since there is virtually no industry of any size in the Oslo a
42 LN-MOW : There is no problem finding cargo westbound. Eastbound is however a different matter. That is why pure cargo operators have had problems making their
43 Navigator : I agree with you completely here. So forget about cargo and I think this route could be viable in summer for tourists to beautiful Norway. By any mea
44 Post contains links and images nasco2 : You right, I study this numbers for 2010 from this report: http://akvafakta.fhl.no/fhl_statisti...afakta_mnd/2010/1011_Akvafakta.pdf and this year we
45 Mortyman : Not to forget all the dry cod that we export to Brazil
46 EBGflyer : I do very well know who our common airnetter friend is. I'm not contesting his general knowledge, insight or contributions to this forum, but just th
47 peanuts : DL would surely not start this route for this reason alone. DL goes after business traffic and SkyTeam frequent flyers. There are reasons for this. J
48 kullis : Offcourse the cargopart is an important issue for the airlines to start new routes. Probably SAS have already picked up some good cargodeals on the O
49 MAH4546 : Delta has simply applied for slots at Oslo's airport, just like it applied for slots at Naples or Air Canada applied for slots at Venice. That does no
50 bobnwa : Is this another A Net non annoucement?
51 EBGflyer : It's definitely a bit premature. The thread topic alone leaves you with an impression that this route is confirmed. I would suggest a change to 'Poss
52 Someone83 : Most likely yes. From what I'm hearing, Delta will not start OSL in 2011
53 COalways : It probably wouldn't be smart CO has this market on lock down!
54 cokepopper : Maybe USAirways dropping out may persuade Delta to get in?
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