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American Eagle Replaces SPI-ORD With SPI-DFW  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3092 posts, RR: 10
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

On April 5, 2011 American Eagle will discontinue their flights from SPI to ORD. It will be replaced with SPI to DFW. A federal air-service grant amounting to $750,000 will assist in making this new route possible. This will mean that SPI fliers will have more connecting alternatives in Dallas then they had in Chicago. The route will also deliver a route to the south that the airport has not had since it lost flights to St. Louis. Tim Landis provides more info in the article he authored below:

Courtesy: The State Journal-Register

Springfield Airport To Get Flights To And From Dallas-Fort Worth

http://www.sj-r.com/business/x161732...dding-flights-to-Dallas-Fort-Worth

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7493 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

I was confused about this myself. I would have thought they would have added one DFW flight in addition to the ORD service.


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User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

I may be being illogical, but I don't understand why airports like SPI and DEC even receive subsidies... Decatur is less than 60 miles from BMI, SPI, and CMI. Springfield isn't that far from BMI and PIA, and less than two hours from STL. I understand that sometimes air service to areas that aren't already served needs to be subsidized (UIN, MWA), but SPI and DEC are in a region with plenty of air service. It's similar to the Iowa City situation, where residents can drive to CID, MLI or DSM, but they don't have their own commercial service.

[Edited 2010-11-25 20:05:43]

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 2):
I may be being illogical, but I don't understand why airports like SPI and DEC even receive subsidies...

I think DEC is EAS but from what I don't know if SPI falls under that program. I would think not.

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 2):
Springfield isn't that far from BMI and PIA, and less than two hours from ORD.

SPI is more than two hours from Chicago, especially considering traffic.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1):
I would have thought they would have added one DFW flight in addition to the ORD service.

That is what happened in BMI and PIA, but not in SPI apparently. If I had to guess, I'd say that the market to Springfield is probably not as desirable as the other two.



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User currently offlineUSXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1010 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3378 times:

SPI to ORD via driving is an easy 3 hour drive... 2 hours would put you just south of Joliet.

United has been the "leader" in the SPI-Chicago traffic for years, going back to the Great Lakes days. The problem with Springfield is everyone has gotten used to driving to St. Louis - I'm not really sure how many folks really drive north to Bloomington.

Decatur, on the other hand, has been the unique EAS market in existence. With home to ADM and a large Caterpillar operation, these companies have given up on the local air service and instead use ground shuttles to St. Louis, Bloomington, and Chicago. If DEC air service was done properly, it wouldn't have to be under the EAS program, however airlines are serving the markets just to mooch off the subsidy rather than try to make it work.



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User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Quoting USXguy (Reply 4):
United has been the "leader" in the SPI-Chicago traffic for years, going back to the Great Lakes days. The problem with Springfield is everyone has gotten used to driving to St. Louis - I'm not really sure how many folks really drive north to Bloomington.

Sorry, I meant to say STL, not ORD. Springfield to Chicago is quite a hike! Guess I ate too much Turkey!

It's been interesting over the last year or so to see the consolidation going on in Central Illinois. UA pulled out of BMI, DL pulled out of CMI and reduced the number of destinations from PIA. I think it's intersting that AA will be flying the same number of flights from SPI, but they are using the subsidy to connect to a different hub. PIA, CMI, and BMI all already have service to DFW.

Back in the day, didn't SPI sport service to Meigs Field?


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 5):
Sorry, I meant to say STL, not ORD. Springfield to Chicago is quite a hike!

I live about 40 miles north of BMI which is about 100 miles from Chicago and with traffic it is a two hour drive to Chicago.

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 5):
DL pulled out of CMI and reduced the number of destinations from PIA.

This doesn't make sense to me unless they are really that interesting in fighting AirTran, even if it costs them money.

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 5):
Back in the day, didn't SPI sport service to Meigs Field?

Air Illinois did it with HS-748s back in the late 1970s.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Quoting USXguy (Reply 4):
SPI to ORD via driving is an easy 3 hour drive... 2 hours would put you just south of Joliet.

3 Hours? Is that all???? Couple that with the need to be at the airport 2 hours before departure, at least....Thats crazy...
Of course this is coming from me, and I hate to drive long distances.....

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 5):
Back in the day, didn't SPI sport service to Meigs Field?

Air Illinois did it with HS-748s back in the late 1970s.

Yep, Air Illinois flew not only their Hawkers but Twin Otters and Beech 99s into Meigs....
Ozark Air Lines even leased a few Mackey International Twin Otters in 1972 to try and compete with Air Illinois' service.
After Air Illinois bit the dust after their Hawker crashed, Mississippi Valley actually leased a Twin Otter to re-start the SPI-Meigs service. Then Britt got into the act and flew the route with Beech 99s to start and then Metro IIs. When Britt's Chicago Operation went bye bye, Trans States took over using Metro IIs as TWE. Great Lakes also got into the SPI-Meigs run too.....I got to fly into and out of Meigs from Springfield back in 1995. I think Lakes maintained the Meigs service until 1999 or so.....

Access-Air



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User currently offlineUSXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1010 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 5):
Back in the day, didn't SPI sport service to Meigs Field?

Great Lakes was the last operator with a minimum of 4 flights a day on specially configured (not seating) 1900Ds, sometimes there would be 8 flights a day. This was until UNCLE DICK decided to try to turn Meigs into a park (1st go-round). After that traffic plummeted as everyone thought it was already closed. Lakes then struggled with its 4 flights a day (compared to minting money on it previously).

Lakes had 2 dedicated 1900Ds for the market, at the time they were the only 2 with anti-skid and yaw damper on the 1900s. They were the "nicest" of 54 airplanes we had at the time.



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User currently offlineskyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

Everyone seems to be overlooking the fact that SPI is the state capital with a small airport with few flights. Those facts likely explain the subsidies.

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