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User currently offline707fan From Norway, joined Jun 2001, 36 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14450 times:

Does anybody know what happend with the A-340 which crashed in Quito in November 2007 ?

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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1413 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14457 times:

There you go: http://avherald.com/h?article=422bdd7d&opt=0

[Edited 2010-11-27 02:21:03]


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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14457 times:
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Totally scrapped. The engines were taken by IB and returned to Madrid to use it as spares for other Airbus A340-600's.

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14402 times:

"This would be considered a accident/incindent not a crash, right. ..."

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 2):
use it as spares for other Airbus A340-600's.

Just the engines for spares, or the whole fuselage?

Does Spain have an aircraft boneyard equivalent to Victorville or Marana here in the US?


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10748 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14368 times:

I wouldnt say that was a crash. The thread-title should be changed.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 3):
Does Spain have an aircraft boneyard equivalent to Victorville or Marana here in the US?

No, but IB has some aircraft in longterm storage at Madrid (where the 742s and MD80s are slowly dismantled) and Malaga.


User currently offline707fan From Norway, joined Jun 2001, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 14203 times:

I will call it 'a crash' when the aircraft is totally written off. But thank you for your linguistic precision.

User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 14144 times:

Fair enough -- to write a plane off, well, it has to be completely finished for that to happen.

The OP's query is still open

Quoting 707fan (Thread starter):
Does anybody know what happend with the A-340 which crashed in Quito in November 2007 ?

I tried a little search of NTSB, it revealed nothing.


User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11983 times:

Quoting 707fan (Reply 5):
I will call it 'a crash' when the aircraft is totally written off. But thank you for your linguistic precision.

It had to be scrapped due to many factors that had nothing to do with the damage to the plane itself, i.e. lack of skilled engineers, heavy equipment, tools and space at Quito to move and repair it. Had the same thing happened at a large, accessible airport in the US or Europe, the plane might have been repaired and flying again today.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25457 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 11155 times:

Quoting 707fan (Reply 5):
I will call it 'a crash' when the aircraft is totally written off. But thank you for your linguistic precision.
Quoting Schweigend (Reply 6):
Fair enough -- to write a plane off, well, it has to be completely finished for that to happen.

Many aircraft have been written off in events that do not involve anything that that could be called a "crash". One example - the MH A330-300 written off after a corrosive chemical spill in the cargo compartment. Also numerous writeoffs after fires during maintenance.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 6):
Quoting 707fan (Thread starter):
Does anybody know what happend with the A-340 which crashed in Quito in November 2007 ?

I tried a little search of NTSB, it revealed nothing.

The NTSB had no involvement in that accident.


User currently offlinereality From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10944 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 6):
The OP's query is still open

Quoting 707fan (Thread starter):
Does anybody know what happend with the A-340 which crashed in Quito in November 2007 ?

The full report is in Reply 1.

[quote=Severnaya,reply=1]There you go: http://avherald.com/h?article=422bdd...opt=0


[Edited 2010-11-27 13:19:20]

User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10871 times:

What happened to the seats? Did they ship them back to Madrid to be installed in future A346s or did they sell them?


It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineFltMech747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10336 times:

Just a follow up to the posts and and answers.

Engines 1 & 2 were scrapped. Engines 3 & 4 were overhauled and sold to a third party (Not IB)

The seats were removed and purchased by a third party.

The DGAC in their report, list it as an "Incident"

The aircraft was completely repairable on-site, but was scrapped after pressure from IB.


User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 8242 times:

Two years ago it was still on the airport site.

Consisted of just the main structure but stripped to all white, presumably to ease the minds of those arriving on a similar flight.


User currently offlinesupersomondoco From Colombia, joined Dec 2009, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7684 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 12):
Two years ago it was still on the airport site.

Consisted of just the main structure but stripped to all white, presumably to ease the minds of those arriving on a similar flight.

You can see it here:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour....490732&spn=0.002089,0.002411&z=19



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User currently offlinenetjets21 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7483 times:

Anyone have any pictures of the damage?

User currently offlinebeechnut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 726 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7112 times:

Quoting na (Reply 4):
I wouldnt say that was a crash. The thread-title should be changed.

Crash is of course a lay term, that has no official meaning.

In aviation, there are accidents, and there are incidents. For example, the Transportation Safety Board in Canada defines an accident as:

Quote:
A "reportable aviation accident" means an accident resulting directly from the operation of an aircraft, where

a person sustains a serious injury or is killed as a result of
being on board the aircraft,
coming into contact with any part of the aircraft or its contents, or
being directly exposed to the jet blast or rotor downwash of the aircraft,
the aircraft sustains damage or failure that adversely affects the structural strength, performance or flight characteristics of the aircraft and that requires major repair or replacement of any affected component part, or
the aircraft is missing or inaccessible

By this definition the Quito accident was, well, very much an accident. An "incident" is:

Quote:
A "reportable aviation incident" means an incident resulting directly from the operation of an airplane having a maximum certificated take-off weight greater than 5 700 kg, or from the operation of a rotorcraft having a maximum certificated take-off weight greater than 2 250 kg, where

an engine fails or is shut down as a precautionary measure,
a transmission gearbox malfunction occurs,
smoke or fire occurs,
difficulties in controlling the aircraft are encountered owing to any aircraft system malfunction, weather phenomena, wake turbulence, uncontrolled vibrations or operations outside the flight envelope,
the aircraft fails to remain within the intended landing or take-off area, lands with all or part of the landing gear retracted or drags a wing tip, an engine pod or any other part of the aircraft,
any crew member whose duties are directly related to the safe operation of the aircraft is unable to perform the crew member's duties as a result of a physical incapacitation that poses a threat to the safety of any person, property or the environment,
depressurization occurs that necessitates an emergency descent,
a fuel shortage occurs that necessitates a diversion or requires approach and landing priority at the destination of the aircraft,
the aircraft is refuelled with the incorrect type of fuel or contaminated fuel,
a collision, a risk of collision or a loss of separation occurs,
a crew member declares an emergency or indicates any degree of emergency that requires priority handling by an air traffic control unit or the standing by of emergency response services,
a slung load is released unintentionally or as a precautionary or emergency measure from the aircraft, or
any dangerous goods are released in or from the aircraft.

Beech


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7569 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6872 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 3):
Does Spain have an aircraft boneyard equivalent to Victorville or Marana here in the US?

Quite a number of ex-Aer Europa BAe ATPs were stored for several years at Zaragoza Airport (ZAZ) in northern Spain. I believe that while they were threre there was a severe hail storm which caused quite a bit of damage to some of the parked-up aircraft - another example of an 'incident' rather than an 'accident':

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Most countries have some form of aircraft graveyard. Examples are Dinard (DNR) in France:

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and Kemble here in the UK:

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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5371 times:

Quoting beechnut (Reply 15):
For example, the Transportation Safety Board in Canada defines an accident as...

Good info -- thank you.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 16):

And thanks to you for that!

Aircraft graveyards are fascinating. After years of knowing only about the ones in the US, it is exciting to think of others overseas to visit!

Scottie


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1748 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

In the accident Ib press to have a writte off plane so they can get more money to pay a new ones that they have on order and already built and stored in Lourdes and TLS. Repair the plane was very very expensive and nobody can guarantee that the plane will fly properly again with the damage it has. So it was much better to do coca cola cans and get a new one.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 3):
Does Spain have an aircraft boneyard equivalent to Victorville or Marana here in the US?

The new Teruel Airport has a very big platform that they want to be use for long term storage.

IB used to have planes in Menorca (DC-10) Valencia (A-300) and also in Madrid (B747, A320, A343, B727.....) on storage.


User currently offline707fan From Norway, joined Jun 2001, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Thanks to all of you for contributing to this issue!!

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6688 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 3):
Does Spain have an aircraft boneyard equivalent to Victorville or Marana here in the US?

A boneyard doesn't help much if the plane is not in flyable condition.


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Looks like a crash to me. Not of the worst kind (luckily) but still.

Such a shame !



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