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Airbus A340-300 - Still In Production?  
User currently offlineAlexA340B777 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2008, 136 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18626 times:

Hi guys,

is Airbus still producing the A340-300 or are only the versions -500 and -600 being built now?

Thanks for your help!

Alex


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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18519 times:

All A340 series are out of production. I believe the last 2 A340's are the -500's voor the State of Kuwait.


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12497 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 18396 times:
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Airbus's backlog at end October still showed 5 A340-500s -
2 for Kingfisher
3 for VIP customers

While they may not actually be building any -300s today, if an airline ordered them, Airbus would build them.



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User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 18387 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 1):
All A340 series are out of production. I believe the last 2 A340's are the -500's voor the State of Kuwait.

It's not quite correct. If you want an A340 now, you may get it. The A330s/A340s in production shares a lot of similarities, so there should be no problems to build an A340 now.


User currently offlineAlexA340B777 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2008, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 18212 times:

Thank you for your answers.

So if nearly no 340 is requested by the Airliners, and the new 748 does not have too many orders neither, will the A380 be the only "well-selling" 4-engined airliner in the near future?



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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 18110 times:

Airbus will convince any customer (if there is any) to order one of their two flagship either the A330 or A350. They don't have the time and the effort to loss on old productions.

User currently offlineniconet From Italy, joined Sep 2000, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17300 times:

But, then... What about new airplanes for those routes where it is required a 4 engine airplane like, for instance, EZE - SYD?

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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17175 times:

Quoting niconet (Reply 6):
But, then... What about new airplanes for those routes where it is required a 4 engine airplane like, for instance, EZE - SYD?

ETOPS will be pushed to 237 or become nonexistent all together other than increasing the engine maintenance requirements for all engines, which is basically already does.

I think the 748i will end up selling well or at least somewhat well after LH starts flying it. It's practically an all new aircraft and it fills the niche between the 777-300ER and the A380.


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16646 times:

The last 346 has been delievered to LH quite recently, and perhaps Airbus could still produce a few more if there were enough demand.

Given that the 351 is't gonna be there earlier than 2016 or so, it might be sensible to maintain a 346 production capability in the next 3-4 yrs.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25149 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16316 times:

The question is why you would want an A340-300?
The Airbus marketing folks themselves for years now have touted the performance and economics of the A330 over the A340-300.

For the A340-500 is a small niche aircraft, while the A340-600 was a half step to compete with the 777-300ER.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16093 times:

Quoting niconet (Reply 6):
But, then... What about new airplanes for those routes where it is required a 4 engine airplane like, for instance, EZE - SYD?

An airline can pick up used quad aircraft for those routes for quite some time.



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User currently offlinedennys From France, joined May 2001, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16045 times:

I still think of the second hand A340s which still usefull for such long routes as BUE SYD . And still convinced that any trends toys as A330 or A350s Will ever replace any Any A340s for the missions it has been built for . an example is eva air , they were about to BE launch customer of A340-500s . The latest were switch off for Boring 332s which Will never BE an ULR Light for airbus as any A340s is or has been !

User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15190 times:

I think we've had this discussion a few times before, and some people have claimed that the 343 is officially discontinued while the 345 and 346 are not. I see no particular reason why Airbus couldn't build a 343 if someone wanted one, but nobody seems to be able to produce definitive evidence that it either is or is not still being formally offered by Airbus.

On the other hand, the 342 has definitely been discontinued for years.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6751 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14580 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
While they may not actually be building any -300s today, if an airline ordered them, Airbus would build them.

That may be true now, but might not be true indefinitely. One factor over time will be the willingness of suppliers to maintain the tooling/capability required to manufacture the parts specific to the various A340 models -- as well as the cost to Airbus of maintaining the ability to manufacture A340's. After all, it becomes more difficult for the Airbus manufacturing employees to build an A340 every several months/few years when compared to building one a month.


User currently offlineCMB56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13854 times:

Don't available line positions have something to do with it.

The 330 and 340 come off the same line. As I understand it that line has plenty of work for several years building 330s and the remaining 340s on order.

Any new order for a 340-300 would be several years away from delivery.


User currently offlineFLALEFTY From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 465 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13746 times:

What I see in the future for the A340-300 is a future engine retrofit, much like the DC-8-60 to the 70.

When LEAP-X makes its way to the 320NEO, it will also become an option for the A340-200/300 as a re-engining program.

Some A340s in service may have been in service for years, but they also have been flying low, long-haul cycles with smaller, international airlines. If they can get another 10 years with their A340s with a LEAP-X retrofit, for reasonable money (less than $75M per aircraft), this may happen.


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13570 times:

I don t think Airbus would be too willing to re-start 343s even if some airlines may wish so. A retrofit of current 343s is more likely, especially given the mediocre availability of the 350 until 2016.

The big item on Airbus agenda is the 350, and new 343s may divert resources from that target.

Enhanced versions of the 333 may actually suffice on quite many routes where 343s currently fly.

The 345 is now outdated.

The only 340 family aircraft which we may see in production again is the 346, not always easy to operate, yet filling a genuine gap between the 343/333 and the 388, which the 351 won't replace too soon.


User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11523 times:

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 18):
I don t think Airbus would be too willing to re-start 343s even if some airlines may wish so.

They don't need to restart anything because it has never been stopped.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 18):
The big item on Airbus agenda is the 350, and new 343s may divert resources from that target.

Why? You are mixing up engineering design and production.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 18):
The 345 is now outdated.

Thanks for making this official.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 18):
346, not always easy to operate

In what way?



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13012 posts, RR: 100
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11327 times:
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Quoting ikramerica (Reply 10):
An airline can pick up used quad aircraft for those routes for quite some time.

And quite cheap.  
Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 17):
Some A340s in service may have been in service for years, but they also have been flying low, long-haul cycles with smaller, international airlines. If they can get another 10 years with their A340s with a LEAP-X retrofit, for reasonable money (less than $75M per aircraft), this may happen.

I could see a re-engine. It might even be a PW1000G.   
But even with new engines, there wouldn't be enough demand vs. the A350. Ghad has RR sewn up a nice exclusive...

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 18):
The big item on Airbus agenda is the 350, and new 343s may divert resources from that target.

I think the main issue is also A340 (A343/A345/A346) sales price. With TI offering A345s, QR selling A346s, and EK handing back to Boeing their A343Xs (2014 IIRC?), it would be cheaper and easier for everyone to buy 2nd hand. I'm sure I missed quite a few A343s available on the secondary market. My point is just that it isn't worth it for Airbus to expend resources to build the custom parts (or work with vendors to build) that are only built for new build A340s.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 18):
The only 340 family aircraft which we may see in production again is the 346

Unlikely. If you wanted an A346, I'm sure one of the current operators would sell at a price Airbus wouldn't want to compete with. Not when they could sell a new build A330 or A350 for far more profit.

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User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8804 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):

I think the main issue is also A340 (A343/A345/A346) sales price. With TI offering A345s, QR selling A346s, and EK handing back to Boeing their A343Xs (2014 IIRC?), it would be cheaper and easier for everyone to buy 2nd hand. I'm sure I missed quite a few A343s available on the secondary market. My point is just that it isn't worth it for Airbus to expend resources to build the custom parts (or work with vendors to build) that are only built for new build A340s.

We're likely to see these frames end up with many of the charter firms running troops etc around the globe. A low acquisition aircraft that has good range, cargo capability and a pool of A340 pilots (and A330 they could convert onto type quickly) would fit their requirements perfectly.

Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 17):
When LEAP-X makes its way to the 320NEO, it will also become an option for the A340-200/300 as a re-engining program.

I doubt it. I can't see an economic justification to replace the current hair-dryers.... The DC-8-60 series only modded 110 aircraft with new engines and actually resulted in a loss of payload due to heavier engines. Noise shouldn't be an issue for the A340 series hence an unlikely candidate for an engine conversion similar to the DC-8. You also lose the commonality and spares available at a cheaper cost for all of the CFM-56 engines already out there and instead move to an engine with a higher cost base.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8284 times:

The A340 is a bit like the 757, no demand for new examples, but for certain operators a very useful plane, so expect to see a few secondhand purchases to top up fleets.
If someone went to Airbus with a decent order of least 20 units, then possibly they would produce them, but I can't see that happening! Especially, as the A345/6 are significantly different from the A330.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8062 times:
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Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 22):
The A340 is a bit like the 757, no demand for new examples, but for certain operators a very useful plane, so expect to see a few secondhand purchases to top up fleets.

Due to the prolonged delay of the B787-8s, LAN leased one A343 from AC during 2007 in order to operate its flights between both SCL and Europe; as well as the daily SCL-AKL-SYD route.


User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7997 times:

The A340 dedicated pages to be found on the Airbus website show the following:
- A342/3: ordered 246 - delivered 242, hence 4 to go
- A345/6: ordered 36 - delivered 31, hence 5 to go


User currently offlinemafi29 From Germany, joined Nov 2010, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

Quoting breiz (Reply 24):
- A342/3: ordered 246 - delivered 242, hence 4 to go

I am wondering who has those 4 A343 on order. Maybe for VIPs or some kind of orders that were never cancelled officially and remain in the data base as zombies   ?

mafi29


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6897 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7241 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):

For the A340-500 is a small niche aircraft, while the A340-600 was a half step to compete with the 777-300ER.

You got it backwards. The A346 was built to compete with the 744, and the 77W was built to compete with the A346, and blew it out of the water. If the 77W had come first the A346 would never have been built, as it couldn't compete (as has been shown by their respective sales.)



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25 cloudyapple : That's A345 only. Another 97 A346.
26 gemuser : Not over the Great Southern Ocean and the Antarctic, not any time soon. It will require the full development of commercial airports in the Antarctic.
27 trex8 : Wasn't it more the 742/3 it was supposed to compete with?
28 BOACCunard : Replace, not compete with. How could it compete with an airplane that was long since out of production?
29 Viscount724 : Depends how you define "only". Those 110 aircraft still account for about 45% of all 60-series DC-8s in existence at the time the modification progra
30 Ozair : Those aircraft also represented a significantly greater percentage of the airliners flying around the world at that time. There were only 218 A343 bu
31 Soyuz : Not quite right there. Ordered: 246, Delivered: 246. In operation 242 (remember there have been hull losses). I doubt that anyone can say for sure if
32 mafi29 : Hull losses. I knew I was forgetting something. Thanks.
33 jfk777 : Assuming the A340-300 is available why would any airline wabt them ? The A330-300 is now more capable then when they first came out and can fly most r
34 Burkhard : The only part on the A340 that isn't on the A330 is the CFM56, which is in production still. Airbus doesn't mind at all if you order the A34/40-300 w
35 MD11junkie : That is actually incorrect. LAN hadn't placed the 787-8 order yet. CC-CQG was leased to increase the SCL-AKL-SYD to daily. Saludos,
36 SR4ever : As far as I remember, Airbus made an official statement 2yrs ago as to the termination of the 340 program... 350 will soon require production resourc
37 jfk777 : AN A340 flying to Cairo or Boston from Zurich is just the A340 earning its keep between flights to GRU or JNB. WHY would you have an A340 sit in ZRH
38 cloudyapple : Appreciate a link to this. I'm not aware of any official announcement. Yes but why would it be sharing any with the A330/340 line when that is runnin
39 SEPilot : It was designed to replace them, not compete with them. And since the standard replacement from Boeing was the 744, that made it a competitor. It off
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