Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Interesting Cessna Crash Video  
User currently offlineTu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1139 posts, RR: 17
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13828 times:

Came across this video on YouTube of a Cessna citation that crashed at the old Atlantic City airport.
I won't spoil the video for you...just watch. Starts to get interesting from about the middle.
Guess this guy didn't follow the checklist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C80grd2CrTI&feature=related


I do not dream about movie stars, they must dream about me for I am real and they are not. - Alexander Popov
16 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7499 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13798 times:

He had an airport diagram which plainly says jet aircraft cannot land at that airport clipped to the pilot's yoke.

User currently offlineTu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1139 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13758 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
He had an airport diagram which plainly says jet aircraft cannot land at that airport clipped to the pilot's yoke.

You were there? Care to share more?
From what I can see, this guy didn't do anything right from start to finish. Its like one giant f-up from start to finish.



I do not dream about movie stars, they must dream about me for I am real and they are not. - Alexander Popov
User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13722 times:

The replacement aircraft is OY-WET
http://oy-reg.dk/register/5416.html
/Lars



139, 306, 319, 320, 321, 332, 34A, AN2, AT4, AT5, AT7, 733, 735, 73G, 738, 739, 146, AR1, BH2, CN1, CR2, DH1, DH3, DH4,
User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13552 times:

This accident is the classic "rich guy with terrible judgment" accident.

A few of the bad decisions he made which I can remember from reading this accident report a year or so ago:

1. Downwind landing. Even ppl guys know this only turns out bad..
2. Jet ops at an airport that does not allow jet ops.
3. Landing runway distance required more than runway available even if he HAD managed to land into the wind.
4. He forgot to shut down the plane before crawling out. Another example this chap's not too cool under pressure.

Nice he got a new plane...not so sure he even qualifies for a license though. Next time someone might get hurt.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5721 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13429 times:

Ooh, look!:

Citation Becomes A Power Boat (by Sudden Sep 2 2006 in Tech Ops)

Nevermind this one:

Have You All Seen This? Citation Overrun Video? (by ArmitageShanks Sep 2 2006 in Non Aviation)


Lol, odd situation anyway, no matter how often it's come up over the years!


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13223 times:

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 3):
The replacement aircraft is OY-WET

Terrible pun!  


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13088 times:

Here is the complete NTSB summary:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?...526X00676&ntsbno=NYC05LA085&akey=1

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 2):
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
He had an airport diagram which plainly says jet aircraft cannot land at that airport clipped to the pilot's yoke.

You were there?

You didn't have to be there to know that fact. The NTSB report documented that fact:

Additionally, the airport diagram for Bader Field, was observed attached to the pilot's control column after the accident. A notation, which read, "airport closed to jet aircraft" was observed on the diagram.

The runway was a 2,948 foot-long, 100 foot-wide runway.

According to the Cessna 525A Landing Distance Chart, an airplane with a landing weight of 11,400 pounds required 3,000 feet of landing distance, in a no wind situation. With a 10 knot tailwind, the airplane required 3,570 feet of landing distance.

.



Boeing Flown: 701,702,703;717;720;721,722;731,732,733,734,735,737,738,739;741,742,743,744,747SP;752,753;762,763;772,773.
User currently offlineBLUEWHALE18210 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13005 times:

At 1540, ATC instructed the pilot to "proceed direct Bader, descend and maintain 1,500 feet. Expect visual approach." The pilot read back the instructions, stating, "thank you, direct Bader, descend to 1,500."

At 1544, ATC informed the pilot that "the airport is 12 o'clock and 4 miles." The pilot responded that he had the airport in sight, and the controller then cleared the pilot for a "visual approach at Bader airport."


It looks like ATC vectored him to AIY while he was filed to ACY? Or some other miscommunication here? He filed to ACY but had AIY chart out? He called inbound to ACY the first time around...



JPS on A300-600RF A319/320 B737-400/800 B757-200F B767-300F CRJ-200/900. Looking to add more.
User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12976 times:

The Cessna is operational. http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6622634

User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7499 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12671 times:

Quoting BLUEWHALE18210 (Reply 8):
It looks like ATC vectored him to AIY while he was filed to ACY? Or some other miscommunication here? He filed to ACY but had AIY chart out? He called inbound to ACY the first time around...

The IFR flight plan was filed to Atlantic City - the NTSB Factual document does not specify which Atlantic City airport. The investigation did not reveal if the pilot knew there were two airports at Atlantic City. I found nothing to indicate the pilot was interviewed by the NTSB or cooperated with the investigation. He was interviewed once by an FAA inspector - apparently by phone.

Some folks question as to why the ATC did not warn the pilot that he was landing at AIY and not ACY - or if the ATC was aware the aircraft was a jet. There is no indication that the IFR flight plan was filed with an FSS. There is no record of a weather brief, or any discussion about the flight with any FAA office.

The pilot was not a US citizen, but was flying legally in the US on his home country license.

The NTSB Probably Cause report cites

"The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows.
The pilot's improper decision to plan a flight to a runway of insufficient length, his improper in-flight decision to land on that inadequate runway with a tailwind, and his failure to obtain the proper touchdown point."

I'm one of several people who became interested in this accident the day it happened over five years ago. The video was posted within 24 hours. There was a lot of speculation about this accident - much of which I believe - but I will not repeat on a public forum because the source of that speculation and my beliefs is no longer available to the public.

[Edited 2010-11-28 19:13:01]

User currently offlineGarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2603 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10007 times:

So, how did that engine start up and spool up again? The report summary says the right throttle lever was bent and in the idle position. And what made it stop again, I presume it drowned, as there appeared to be a lot of water mist/spray forward of the engine.


arpdesign.wordpress.com
User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7499 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8395 times:

That was one of the many unanswered questions. No where in the NTSB material is it even mentioned, much less addressed.

The speculation from people who know a lot more about details about the technical aspects focused on either (1) a failure of the pilot to complete a proper shutdown, including turning off certain switches, or (2) something shorted when exposed to salt water - which should not happen on this type aircraft.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2370 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

The infamous picture of the pilot in question:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Erik Frikke



User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 4):
This accident is the classic "rich guy with terrible judgment" accident.

Yes, it's a classic accident. Seen this video before, but it still amazes me how he thought he was gonna get away with it.



Roger roger, what's our vector, victor?
User currently offlineKHPN From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
Some folks question as to why the ATC did not warn the pilot that he was landing at AIY and not ACY - or if the ATC was aware the aircraft was a jet. There is no indication that the IFR flight plan was filed with an FSS. There is no record of a weather brief, or any discussion about the flight with any FAA office.

ATC had to have known. Whether specified in the report or not. All ATC radar screens show the plane along with altitude, speed, type aircraft and registration/callsign. assuming they are not squaking 1200, which clearly the pilot must not have been because he was participating in IFR radar service being vectored by ATC.


User currently offlinenetjets21 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 14):
The infamous picture of the pilot in question:


I dunno if I'm not picking up the sarcasm, but is it really?

[Edited 2010-11-29 12:21:54]

Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
De Havilland Beaver Plane Crash Video posted Sun Jun 14 2009 11:28:31 by SWALoveField
Spanair Crash Video posted Thu Sep 18 2008 19:21:34 by Skytony
Barenaked Ladies Lead Singer Survives Cessna Crash posted Mon Aug 25 2008 00:27:34 by SAN787
Cessna Crash Near Biggin Hill posted Sun Mar 30 2008 07:36:52 by Swiftski
Interesting St. Maarten Video posted Thu Mar 13 2008 07:57:05 by Khobar
Habsheim Crash, Video From Different Angles posted Fri Oct 12 2007 10:22:38 by Scorpio
Cessna Crash - Ireland posted Thu Jul 5 2007 19:03:38 by AerGalway
TU-134 Crash Video- Translate? posted Mon Jun 4 2007 15:21:26 by Ammunition
Stupid Helicopter Crash (Video) posted Mon Mar 12 2007 12:54:04 by Lionel
Garuda Airlines Crash -- Video posted Thu Mar 8 2007 19:20:18 by Tockeyhockey