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KL B744 Collision With De-ice Truck  
User currently offlineJCS From Netherlands, joined Jun 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10390 times:

Today apparently a B744 of KLM (destination Curacao) collided with a de-ice truck at AMS.

The worker in the de-icer cabin which was smashed to the ground has been severely wounded.

The 744 crew did proceed to taxi and had to be warned by another plane's crew. The full-pax B744 vertical stabilizer is damaged beyond repair.

Anybody an official source?

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User currently offlinePH-BFA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10290 times:

Found something on scramble (dutch only):

http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=68858&start=15

Apparently the KL 747 was PH-BFB... In the article they are talking about the horizontal stabilizer


User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1844 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10220 times:
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Little translation, it is said the guy fell from the deicing cart, some 15M down onto the tarmac. Evacuated by a chopper and speculations that his back may be broken. There is said to be a large dent in the aircraft's stabilizer.

My thought's go out to the person in question and I hope he will be alright

Martijn



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7441 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9748 times:

A fall from 15M onto a hard surface does not sound good.

Hope he gets better soon.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4700 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9717 times:
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Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
My thought's go out to the person in question and I hope he will be alright


My thoughts go out to him or her too. These are the guys and gals who let us fly safe every time we board a plane. A broken back as a possible result from such a fall does not sound very good.  



[Edited 2010-11-30 11:02:31]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24803 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9429 times:

[quote=JCS,reply=0]The worker in the de-icer cabin which was smashed to the ground has been severely wounded. [/quote

Reminds me of the Royal Air Maroc 747-400 that started taxiing at Montreal Mirabel (YMX) in January 1995 before the deicing vehicles were clear of the aircraft. Three Canadian Airlines employees in the deicing buckets (including one trainee) were killed when the vehicles tipped over after being struck by the aircraft.

Canadian TSB report:
http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-re...viation/1995/a95q0015/a95q0015.asp

It's also summarized at the end of the following Canadian Air Force article on deicing.
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/dfs...v/pub/nr-sp/index-eng.asp?id=10307


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8891 times:

Quoting JCS (Thread starter):
The full-pax B744 vertical stabilizer is damaged beyond repair.

How do you know it cannot be repaired?


User currently offlineJCS From Netherlands, joined Jun 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8760 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 6):
How do you know it cannot be repaired?


I don't know, but heard so.

BTW, should be the horizontal stabilizer.

It seems the old Surinam Air B743 had also a stabilizer replaced at AMS many years ago.

[Edited 2010-11-30 19:22:26]

User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8442 times:

Quoting JCS (Thread starter):
The 744 crew did proceed to taxi and had to be warned by another plane's crew. The full-pax B744 vertical stabilizer is damaged beyond repair.

There are strict protocols in place during de-icing activities. Somehow the holes in the Swiss cheese lined up in this accident.

As mentioned before, there is damage to the horizontal stabilizer, not the vertical.

Will be waiting for the outcome of the investigation.


Rgds,
Starglider


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8026 times:

Has anyone seen photographs of the damage?


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User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7448 times:

Odd that there is nothing in the press about this.

User currently offlineBlast From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6221 times:

Quoting 76er (Reply 10):
Odd that there is nothing in the press about this.

The media have picked it up: (in Dutch) http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/8...met_vliegtuig__.html?sn=binnenland


User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

Aah, of course, how could I have missed De Telegraaf..   

User currently offlinegunship01 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

Here is how Google translator worked the article to English:

Employee collides with airplane

REDWOOD - At Schiphol is an employee of the ice departing aircraft had to remove seriously injured yesterday when after a collision with an aircraft from KLM of high altitude on the asphalt came.


The employee, in a special box beside the plane hung, is still in hospital but his condition is currently under KLM 'stable'.

The airline is heavily in his stomach with the unpleasant misfortune of de-icer. An investigation into the cause of the unpleasant incident has started.

At the collision was the KLM Boeing 747 sustained damage to its tail, making the flight to Curacao significant delays. The passengers, who were already on the plane, had a new device in steps and eventually departed later in the day yet.


User currently offlinerolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1800 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4431 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):

Reminds me of the Royal Air Maroc 747-400 that started taxiing at Montreal Mirabel (YMX) in January 1995 before the deicing vehicles were clear of the aircraft. Three Canadian Airlines employees in the deicing buckets (including one trainee) were killed when the vehicles tipped over after being struck by the aircraft.

I'm not sure about the KLM incident, but I read the description for the Royal Air Maroc accident, and I think a couple of chokes on the tires would have prevented that.



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User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

Quoting JCS (Thread starter):
The 744 crew did proceed to taxi and had to be warned by another plane's crew. The full-pax B744 vertical stabilizer is damaged beyond repair.

In combination with this article:
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4340d678&opt=0

If the aircraft was turning when it hit the de-icing vehicle, that would imply the aircraft was well on its way leaving the remote de-icing pad and turning onto a taxiway before the collision occurred. The tail would swing to the left in a right turn (left stabilizer is damaged). If so, the investigation will focus on why there was insufficient clearance during the turn.



Rgds,

Starglider


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