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LH To Change Short-haul Seating And Catering  
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 14824 times:

Not sure if this news has been posted here before ... but it seems LH will soon unveil new, slimmer seating and improved catering for its services within Europe. The slimline seats will allow LH to carry more passengers on each flight.

At a time when LH's rivals are cutting back on short-haul flight catering, that LH and its partners appear to be doing the reverse.

I guess it's good news for short-haul passengers.


http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...nsa-set-to-revamp-european-product

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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4166 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 14756 times:

The switch towards the slimmer seats is expected to result in about 2,000 additional seats to be installed in the short-haul fleet.

Furthermore, Lufthansa has signed a codeshare-deal with Avianca; the code will be placed on a variety of flights, including services between Spain and Colombia.



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User currently offlineAlexA340B777 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2008, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14331 times:

In the article it is stated that one 737 will be fitted with the new seats before the official announcement will be made on December 15th.

Does anybody know the registration of this 737?


Alex



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14253 times:
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With the new seats, the B737s and A32X will have almost the same number of seats as low-cost carriers. Those new Recaro seats look incredibly thin (I saw a pic and video in the OS thread) - hope they can hold pax that weigh 120 kg...

The article says they have not decided whether the regional jets will have more seats, but I wouldn't be surprised if the CRJ900 ends up with 90 seats and the E195 with 120 seats (one extra row on each aircraft type).

I assume CASM will drop quite a bit from this.



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User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13946 times:

Pretty good news to read!

It seems LX, as a member of the LH Group, has set down the trend for mum and other sisters, as it was the 1st one to go for:

- Recaro slim seats (2006/2008)
- Re-instatement of complimentary catering in Y on European flights (2005)
- Upgrade of such European Y complimentary catering (pending).

OS has just stepped into the same shoes, and LH is to make the same move, just great.


Now it remains to be seen what is gonna happen at BD and SN, as catering in Economy (restricted, BD) and Be-light (SN) is just BOB snacks and drinks.  


Interestingly, the LH Group moves right in the opposite way to that of:

- AF, where Y A-N-D J (  , totally unacceptable in my view) have gone through cuts on European flights
- BA, where European Y has gone through similar cuts (not to mention IB).


Keep going (and expanding   ) LH Group   


User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7594 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13800 times:

Quoting AlexA340B777 (Reply 2):
In the article it is stated that one 737 will be fitted with the new seats before the official announcement will be made on December 15th.

Does anybody know the registration of this 737?

I found it very interesting that the 737s will be refitted too. This means there are no plans to retire them any time soon.



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13435 times:

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 4):
Now it remains to be seen what is gonna happen at BD and SN, as catering in Economy (restricted, BD) and Be-light (SN) is just BOB snacks and drinks.  

It would seem logical that some of the BD/SN fleet acquires these slimline seats. Catering should also be changed to fall in line with LH. Note that BD operates a number of routes ex-UK which are either code-shared or operated on behalf of LH, eg LHR-TXL, LHR-CGN, LHR-HAM.


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13160 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 6):
Catering should also be changed to fall in line with LH.

Sounds quite logical. Same if/when SK joins the LH Group  

If the catering enhancement is really genuine, the LH Group will stand out of other, competing european airlines I believe.

I wish AF then deeply regreats its recent cuts.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 6):
Note that BD operates a number of routes ex-UK which are either code-shared or operated on behalf of LH, eg LHR-TXL, LHR-CGN, LHR-HAM.

And which service standard is applicable on those routes? BD no/low-frills or LH-with-more-frills?


User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 552 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13023 times:

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 4):
Now it remains to be seen what is gonna happen at BD and SN, as catering in Economy (restricted, BD) and Be-light (SN) is just BOB snacks and drinks.

We've already heard through Wolfgang Prock-Schauer (LH-appointed CEO of BD) that once the mid-haul fleet of A320 and A321s receive new leather upholstery to the existing seats (as inherited from BMED and as delivered new) that the short haul fleet will receive new seats from LH. Although there has been no confirmation of this, I would expect them to be the exact same Recaro seats as we're seeing throughout the LH family.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 7):
And which service standard is applicable on those routes? BD no/low-frills or LH-with-more-frills?

It's complicated. But basically, if it's a BMI flight operated by BMI, it's buy-on-board. If it's a BMI-operated (or LH-operated but BMI a/c) flight LH, then it's LH service.


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12987 times:

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 8):
the short haul fleet will receive new seats from LH. Although there has been no confirmation of this, I would expect them to be the exact same Recaro seats as we're seeing throughout the LH family.

Sounds quite logical, leaving only SN out of that trend, yet not for long, as LH is to gain full control of SN in the coming months.


User currently onlineTrijetsonly From Germany, joined Jul 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11785 times:

Quoting AlexA340B777 (Reply 2):
Does anybody know the registration of this 737?

D-ABXO and D-ABEI are actually in the process of getting the new cabins in SXF while D-AIBB is getting the new cabin in FRA.


User currently offlineAlexA340B777 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2008, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11562 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):
I found it very interesting that the 737s will be refitted too. This means there are no plans to retire them any time soon.

Yes that could be right! Nice!   

Quoting Trijetsonly (Reply 10):
D-ABXO and D-ABEI are actually in the process of getting the new cabins in SXF while D-AIBB is getting the new cabin in FRA.

Thanks for the info!



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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10784 times:

Lufthansa has just release the press notice:
http://presse.lufthansa.com/en/news-...2010/december/15/article/1843.html

Highlights from press notice:
- total investment of about 170 million €
- seat change equals about 2,000 additional seats
- redesinged overhead bins on 737
- seats redesigned to fit trolleys below
- chrome free leather for seat upholstery


There is also an article on aero.de:
http://www.aero.de/news-11730/Lufthansa6.html

I find the first pic most interesting:

http://www.aero.de/content/pics/p_1512.jpg

http://www.aero.de/content/pics/p_1509.jpg

http://www.aero.de/content/pics/p_1510.jpg

pics by aero.de / Lufthansa

[Edited 2010-12-15 04:14:29]

User currently onlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10530 times:

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 8):
It's complicated. But basically, if it's a BMI flight operated by BMI, it's buy-on-board. If it's a BMI-operated (or LH-operated but BMI a/c) flight LH, then it's LH service.

Not quite.

Domestic, ROI, HAJ (everything under 1:30 flight time), complimentary sandwiches / drinks / snacks for flexible economy, BOB for standard economy

BD European service (everything over 1:30 flight time) - 2 class cabin with complimentary drinks and catering

LH flights - standard LH service (LHR - DRS/HAM/CGN)

LH Italia flights - standard LH Italia service (LHR-MXP)

LX flights - standard LX service (LHR-GVA)


User currently onlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1890 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10451 times:
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I can say that the new catering has my personal approval  I'm eager to try out the new seats!


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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10409 times:

Quoting AlexA340B777 (Reply 11):
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):
I found it very interesting that the 737s will be refitted too. This means there are no plans to retire them any time soon.

Yes that could be right! Nice

Phase-out of the B735 commences in 2011.



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User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10331 times:

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 7):
Sounds quite logical. Same if/when SK joins the LH Group  

If the catering enhancement is really genuine, the LH Group will stand out of other, competing european airlines I believe.

I am not familiar with the short haul market in Europe, but is LH getting pricing pressures from LCCs and/or their service (esp. catering) is not seen as a differentiator at this point? Most carriers are cutting back on catering, good to see LH going in the other direction but makes me wonder if the market demands this change. Perhaps the cost differential is absorbed by the addition of the 2000 new seats? I would love to understand the rationale.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10313 times:

Lufthansa wants to sell the bigger leg room and service improvements as a quality enhancement - and in the same time profit from selling more tickets due to more seat in the aircraft. Nothing wrong with this...

User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10246 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 17):
Lufthansa wants to sell the bigger leg room and service improvements as a quality enhancement - and in the same time profit from selling more tickets due to more seat in the aircraft. Nothing wrong with this...

Cool. I would be the last person to challenge LH's wisedom; they know what they are doing.


User currently offlineB777Neuss From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9990 times:

http://konzern.lufthansa.com/de/themen/nek.html

Will be interesting to see how soft or not the new seat will be.


User currently offlinehal9213 From Germany, joined May 2009, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9282 times:

Quoting B777Neuss (Reply 19):
Will be interesting to see how soft or not the new seat will be.

That was my first thought too. Only my opinion, but I find the current Recaro seats with Swiss already uncomfortable. I can hardly believe, the even slimmer new ones will be more comfortable.
Airlines seem to handle seat pitch / leg room like the camera industry "megapixels". To be honest, I rather have a good old cushiony comfy seat with 2 inch less legroom than a hard board hurting my back.
While I totally understand lowcost carriers saving every penny, Lufthansa as a reputable legacy carrier should be very careful. After all, they are returning the short snack on short hauls, which they thought they could save without affecting sales.


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9104 times:

The new seats don't look too bad.

The only big weakness of those slim seats a la LX is the headrest, which ought to be more contoured I think.


User currently offlineNQYGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9025 times:

Good news. This only extends my trust in the LH Group of airlines.. good to see a decent product.

On a side tangent, what is the catering likely to be on a LH Italia flight from LHR-MXP, 08:50 departure?


User currently offlineAlexA340B777 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2008, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8873 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 15):

Phase-out of the B735 commences in 2011.

 Wow!

That is some bad news....

Is there any schedule, showing which plane will be retired when?

You say B735, no plan to retire the 733 yet?

Thanks for any info!


Alex



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User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8548 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 15):
Phase-out of the B735 commences in 2011.

I am shedding tears. I flew D-ABIL last summer, a very pleasant plane, I'll be missing her.
Concerning seats, from the picture, they do not look like reclining ones?!?
New spacier overhead lockers? Always welcome!
I will never forget my flight in 2009 on D-ABXW. My family were coming home from Ecuador, and all the way home the three of us had nine (9!!!) pieces of hand luggage, including four which were really oversize. I had no worries about LAN longhaul or Spanair A320, where everything went smoothly in, but the beautiful oldie LH 737-330 I thought would pose us problems concerning the overhead locker space. Although the flight was pretty full, all the things went up for everyone, so the present overheads are already quite spacious. If they install even larger ones, I'll be darn impressed!


25 CrimsonNL : I was on an Austrian Airlines A319 today with their new interior, which is said to be the same as LH. The cabin looked years ahead of what it used to
26 LAXDESI : Glad to hear that. If others agree, the new seats could become the norm, adding capacity to existing and new aircraft, and hopefully leading to lower
27 Post contains images Conti764 : Maybe they will, maybe they won't... The agreement signed in 2008 stipulates that for three years, starting in 2011, every last two weaks of March LH
28 Post contains links LondonCity : The information is contained here (in German): http://konzern.lufthansa.com/de/themen/nek.html
29 LAXDESI : Thanks for the link. The link does provide an option to read it in english. From the link: The new seats are lighter. Each seat weighs 10.87 kg. We s
30 vegas005 : Have flown Swiss 100 times in the past two years and the slim seats are not very nice. You get used to them, but when you hop on a plane with the old
31 JoeCanuck : Still no takers for the Thompson Aero seats. I figured by now that maybe a charter airline looking to add capacity would have jumped on them. I defini
32 B6A322 : Looking to bring the short-medium haul fleet to a product very similar to Jetblue? Similar color scheme, more legroom Hmm.... Also, didn't LH just re
33 Vasu : Yes, they did it a few years ago! Seems quite odd really that they would be putting in new seats so soon!
34 Post contains links and images bmibaby737 : D-ABIM Boeing 737-530 new cabin View Large View MediumPhoto © Stephan Kruse
35 LO231 : Any more news on SN services? I often choose on my usual route BRU-WAW-BRU LOT Polish Airlines (full service with beer or wine) over SN (buy on board)
36 PEET7G : May I ask if there is any time-frame for this? I find it very interesting, that they put so much effort to refurbish the 735s too, while they are alr
37 Vasu : Could it be that they are destined for a LH partner airline?
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