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Effects Of Current Hostilities On Korean Air?  
User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1790 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Wondering if the current hostilities on the Korean Peninsula will have any effects of the operation of Korean Air. Seems like we're heading for Korean War 2 here.

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User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

I'm sure Tourism to South Korea isn't going too well with the recent news. But as long as Korean Air flights stay out of NK airspace they should be fine. The news isn't looking good though, It looks like someone is going to have to take care of the little weirdo in NK pretty soon with all the talk that's going on between SK and NK

User currently offlineaa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

My father just flew SFO-ICN on KE on Saturday, he said everything seemed "normal" security wise.


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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 1):
I'm sure Tourism to South Korea isn't going too well with the recent news. But as long as Korean Air flights stay out of NK airspace they should be fine. The news isn't looking good though, It looks like someone is going to have to take care of the little weirdo in NK pretty soon with all the talk that's going on between SK and NK

Let's hope not, OK? North Korea has one of the biggest armies in the world and I would be surprised if they were not well trained and well prepared for war too. Never mind the fact that they have nuclear weapons, which may not be able to hit the USA directly, but it would only take one or two of these to destroy their neighbors to the south. Then all hell would break loose, literally.

That "little weirdo" has also been directly implicated in a previous KAL bombing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_858



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlinefortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 3):
Let's hope not, OK?

Strangely what is happening between SK and NK directly affects me as I'm scheduled fly KE on SFO-ICN-BOM and return in little over couple of weeks. Hopefully little weirdo in NK doesnt try anything stupid and hopefully this all subsides without any major incident.


User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 3):
North Korea has one of the biggest armies in the world

They are also malnourished and have some dated technology

Quoting richierich (Reply 3):
nuclear weapons, which may not be able to hit the USA directly, but it would only take one or two of these to destroy their neighbors to the south.

This is the main problem


The biggest problem with a conflict between the two will be the innocent civilians around Japan and SK that NK would most likely try and hit with a nuclear weapon along with their army.


User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 5):
They are also malnourished and have some dated technology

While this may or may not be true, North Korea presents a considerable threat. Their army is one of the biggest in the world and, honestly, if they invaded south there is not much that South Korea could do except to defend itself by pulling a nuclear weapon out of its back pocket.

As for the United States, it obviously goes without saying that three of our biggest trade allies are in the region, as you pointed out with China, Japan and South Korea. And our mighty military is running a little thin these days thanks to endless operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. Let's just say that nobody wants a big war on the Korean peninsula and as the rhetoric and aggression increases in the region, the stakes couldn't be higher.

Is that the doomsday clock I hear ticking one minute closer to midnight?



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 6):
honestly, if they invaded south there is not much that South Korea could do except to defend itself by pulling a nuclear weapon out of its back pocket.

Some artillery will help SK, the NK air force isn't exactly the most advanced, I think the Mig 29 is their most advanced fighter (??) and it would be interesting to see them go against American F-18s and defend against B-2s to take out their ground to air defenses and radar.


User currently offlineLDIkaros From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 3):
That "little weirdo" has also been directly implicated in a previous KAL bombing:

That worries me the most - another bombing of a South Korean airliner or some other stupid attempt to gain attention. As for open warfare between the two Koreas - for all the hostilities and rhetoric of North Korea, they know that in case of all-out war they would not fare too well. They may have a large army but its badly outdated. And the Chinese, the only country still supporting North Korea, are not too amused with the situation, either.

Let's hope the situation calms down soon.

Still, I am glad I took CX to Asia, not OZ. I can't help but I always have this knot in my stomach when I land at ICN. You never know ...


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 1):
But as long as Korean Air flights stay out of NK airspace they should be fine.

Just to expand on avoiding NK air space a bit.

In August this year I flew a KE B73H from VVO, Russia to ICN, SK. Looking at a map you would expect the flight to head south or south east to avoid NK airspace. Not at all!!

From a forth coming trip report:
Instead of turning south east or even east to give North Korea a big miss, we turned due west and crossed the Russian/ Chinese boarder within minutes! We flew west until we were south of Jilin, then turned south west and flew over Shenyang, Dalian, Yantai and almost to Qingdao before turning due east to reach Seoul. As far as I can see we were ALWAYS in Russian, Chinese or South Korean airspace and never in international airspace and presumably under the relevant Air Defense Command surveillance the whole way.

I have never watched the "moving map display" with such interest before!

Gemuser



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User currently offlinemaddog888 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 9):
As far as I can see we were ALWAYS in Russian, Chinese or South Korean airspace and never in international airspace and presumably under the relevant Air Defense Command surveillance the whole way.

At a guess could that actually be the reason for the route; ie to avoid a long period over water were "accidents" might happen. The relevant ADC surveillance might see and be able to do something about an "accident" approaching. Or maybe my conspiracy theory paranoia radar is a bit too sensitive today.

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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

Quoting maddog888 (Reply 10):
At a guess could that actually be the reason for the route; ie to avoid a long period over water were "accidents" might happen.

That's my assumption. While something interesting MIGHT happen over international airspace, even NK is not dumb enough to do it in Russian or Chinese airspace.

Gemuser



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