Hello there aviation lovers,
2010 is almost over and 2011 is around the corner.
Thanks to all of you, Turkish Aviation threads have been going on for four years now. Many things have changed over the years and many still the same (as my username suggests, wink, wink...)
Over the last four years,
The beautiful logo jet left years ago but now replaced with many more logo jets for TK
A310s gone but now TK has 77Ws, 333s, 332Fs
AnadoluJet came into the picture, TK started to fly to places like YYZ, IAD and soon SGN, CAN.
SAW became a dominant player, now serving 11mil pax.
Still no decision on the 787/350. Can we expect a decision this year?
On other news;
-Looks like Istanbul is getting a 3rd airport, in Silivri. It will have at least 60 mil pax capacity and cost $5bil. It doesn't say that it will replace IST or SAW.
-Some of the latest TK route news; JFK going 2 x daily 77W next summer, PEK, ICN going daily, CAN, SGN starting 3 x weekly this month.
-4th TK 77W is about to join the fleet. They are named after old Turkish palaces; "Dolmabahce", "Beylerbeyi", "Yildiz", "Rumeli"
-Number 3 and 4 of the 330-300s also set to join soon.
-More TK news; next year TK goes to Naples, Valencia and Malaga
-Turkuaz airlines stopped flying domestic routes
-Gazipasa airport in Alanya to get its runway extended from 1825 to 2000 meters.
-Sunexpress just got its 25th 738 and returning 757s to start a German subsidiary to fly to Turkey and Eqypt.
-When will the rest of the TK fleet will get a new paint job?
Please join us with your news, views, rumors and photos.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22254 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15345 times:
Happy Aralik (December) to everyone. Seems this year has indeed truly gone by fast.
A follow ups from November:
TK773ER asked when service to Vietnam starts. The date is December 29th via BKK.
In other news the Dacca route for TK also starts this month, and as part of the Bangladesh bilateral Biman will be allowed to operate its London services via IST versus DXB currently.
For the new airport at Sivirli, yes its a bit far, but apparently that is what people felt about when Yesilkoy for many years also. Apparently as late as the 1970s, much of the area around IST was still forest and rather quiet. So with time I am sure the entire coastline from the Bosphorus all the way to Sivirli will be full of communities as Istanbul continues to grow.
I think everyone and TK especially should be very exited at the prospects of a new airport as it would truly allow TK and Turkey to establish a mega hub without physical constraints experienced today.
Istanbul could truly then become a global transportation hub rivaling the Dubai, Singapore's and even the big European hubs like Frankfurt, Paris.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
thereandback From Turkey, joined Aug 2005, 699 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 15193 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1): So with time I am sure the entire coastline from the Bosphorus all the way to Sivirli will be full of communities as Istanbul continues to grow.
I hope that they concentrate growth in the city instead of expand out towards the ends of the province. Otherwise in 30-40 years the new airport could be in the same situation as Ataturk airport is in today. There are lots of districts in Istanbul that have substandard housing that could be redeveloped.
I'm interested to see what the come up with to get people to and from the new airport quickly. I know the HSR and Marmaray are under construction but if someone on the asian side wants to drive there it could take well over 2 hours. On mass transit it might be even longer with the time it takes to stop at each station.
I was reading the wikileaks cables on Turkey the other night and I found on the government possibly having a secret islamic agenda and it talked about Turkish Airlines saying, "As another often-cited example of small but telling changes, critics note that employees at the Health Ministry and state-owned Turkish Airlines reported being questioned about their
religious beliefs and attitudes toward the Koran, an unprecedented practice."
Can any TK employees past or present confirm or deny this?
MSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 15164 times:
Hi everyone , I just want to let you know that i flied TK for the first time 2 weeks ago YYZ-IST-CAI and return (A340/A321) and i was impressed with both TK and IST .
Although we had a delay between IST and CAI ( it was Hajj time , so a lot of delays along the board not only our flight) but IST is a very nice Airport , with lots of sitting areas , nice shops and a very nice food court , it is far better than CDG and MXP .
I was also impressed by The Airline itself , nice and clean Planes , excellent food service , but i believe they can do a little better job with customer service .
All in all , a very good experience , keep it up TK and good luck with your massive expansion
slideslope From Turkey, joined Nov 2010, 4 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15078 times:
My first post here but I've been a big fan of the Turkish Aviation thread - lots of informed and intelligent discussion, far better than any Turkish language forums I know. And it's a great honour to see a couple of real 'flesh and blood' pilots from Turkey among the regular contributors...
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter): -Looks like Istanbul is getting a 3rd airport, in Silivri. It will have at least 60 mil pax capacity and cost $5bil. It doesn't say that it will replace IST or SAW.
There has been precious little public consultation about this 3rd airport decision so it's good to see it debated here. Aren't we perhaps too biased towards the airline perspective here? I mean, a giant six-runway hub with rows of TK superjumbos carrying transit px all over the world is a nice vision. But an airport in Silivri will not be serving Istanbul. This city is important because it's a huge market of 15 million people and a massive tourism and business destination. Dubai and Frankfurt have only become important airports because they are hubs in the first place. What a lousy destination Istanbul will be - and what a misery for Istanbul residents too - if you have to spend 3-4 hours in the traffic to get downtown from the main airport. No one's announced plans for a high-speed rail link yet. And which points in Istanbul would it go to if a rail link was threaded through the city? It all reminds me of the Istanbul Olympic stadium - a state-of-the-art stadium built out of town but connected with one road so everyone had to queue for hours to get in and again to get out. But my main objection is that even if the Silivri airport was put out to tender tomorrow it wouldn't likely be operating before 2020 and TK's need for capacity is a bit more pressing than that. What about building an additional terminal at IST on the south side of the aiport on the ex-military land? And when TK outgrows that too, it should look at becoming a two-hub airline (AYT more likely than ESB). The Lufthansa model fits TK and its market far better than the EK or SQ model...
TK's growth plans are really exciting and great for Turkey but a new airport should be built firstly for the convenience of the users, not just the airlines...
tcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15050 times:
The success or failure of the new airport will heavily depend on the transportation to/from the city centre. Seoul's Incheon is also about 40 miles to the city centre and is one of the best airports I used so far. A fast train link to Sirekci, like the transrapid in Shanghai Pudong, and a express road connection is a must. I would involve reputable international transportation consultancy firms for such a gigantic project.
tozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 107 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14989 times:
Last week there was an interesting news about the SkyTeam. Published in Air Transport Intelligence News, SkyTeam negotiating for Saudi Arabian partner. In the news Air France chief Pierre-Henri Gourgeon, said Turkey is on the GDP list but Gourgeon admits: "For the time being we don't have any clue [about a Turkish partner] but we're working on it anyway."
Which airline could be a partner of SkyTeam from Turkey? Maybe Pegasus?
wing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1552 posts, RR: 24 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14871 times:
Quoting slideslope (Reply 5): My first post here but I've been a big fan of the Turkish Aviation thread - lots of informed and intelligent discussion, far better than any Turkish language forums I know. And it's a great honour to see a couple of real 'flesh and blood' pilots from Turkey among the regular contributors...
Welcome to the club.I personally agree with your observation about the high quality level of discussions here,thats why I am here,adding myself from these contributors and trying to give something to them.Unfortunately its not always possible to reach to this level of respect and intelligence in Turkish speaking forums.
I have been a member and a contributor in this site for more than 10 years,had some very interesting days but most interesting happened last month.I was flying with a brand new FO and we were chatting to know each other while the passengers were boarding,and it turns out that he was a frequent visitor of these forum way before he decided to become a pilot and immediately recognised my name from my nickname here(surprise ) .So I flew with an A.Netter for the first time as a crew,it was really fun. I always hoping to fly with Aydın after he upgraded to Captain in A320,hopefully we will have chance to do it in near future.
As far as the 3rd airport news,the newspapars report that it would cost up to 5 billion $ with its connecting roads so I think there will be some serious connections for the airport.What I would like to see is that THY should plan ahead to have its own terminal area to handle that amount of airplanes(the plan was to have 250 + aircraft in 2023) like other big carriers have in their hubs.
stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2874 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 14851 times:
Quoting tozbek (Reply 7):
Which airline could be a partner of SkyTeam from Turkey? Maybe Pegasus?
since XQ is part of TK and LH definately not an option, I don't see Atlas nor Onur in a position to join any alliance at the moment.
the only option would be Pegasus. they are building up a nice and strong base in SAW, renewing a unified 738 fleet and they are already in a partnership with Air Berlin.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22254 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14778 times:
Quoting tcm (Reply 8): But I would love to see either Atlas or Pegasus join Skyteam or OneWorld and become a serious alternative to TK on international travel.
If things had not changed at Atlasjet, they might be close to OW today. Back when they had a robust domestic network one needs to remember British Airways reached out to them and signed an interline agreement, was one of the very early e-ticketing agreement, and was even talking about joint frequent flyer partnership.
MeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14657 times:
We are officially in winter now, except strong wind there is no sign of winter here
TK gets new birds like rain I can capture two of new 330 in front of hangars. I am very hapy growth of TK but worry about space issue. Yesterday 5 widebody try to fit in front of hangars with additional narrow bodies. Situation is very serious I think, incoming planes waiting parking place minutes long.
bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14567 times:
Quoting tozbek (Reply 7): Which airline could be a partner of SkyTeam from Turkey? Maybe Pegasus?
There isn't any other airline in Turkey that can fill that gap.. As LAXIntl mentioned, Atlas could have been a good competitor but there is no room for any airline to to have a #2 spot in Turkish aviation market. The powers to be won't let it happen and TK is still a monopoly.
Quoting slideslope (Reply 5): I mean, a giant six-runway hub with rows of TK superjumbos carrying transit px all over the world is a nice vision. But an airport in Silivri will not be serving Istanbul. This city is important because it's a huge market of 15 million people and a massive tourism and business destination
Welcome to A.net slideslope.. Very interesting points and i completely agree with you on this.
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 396 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14542 times:
Greeting A-netters! This is my first post ... even though I have been a lurker for a few years now. Have always been a fan of THY and the Turkish aviation pages. But now that it has become directly relevant - I decided to join in the fun!
I am very excited about THY starting the service to Dhaka, Bangladesh (DAC). I could only find few blog or preliminary posts but no official press release about the service starting this month. Thanks to some of you for keeping the news coming in. I tried last night to book through the THY website and was successfully able to book tickets. A random search this Dec/Jan shows about $1500 for a JFK-IST-DAC round-trip ... and $1200 for April 2010. I can't wait to travel this route next spring/summer ... with a stopover in Istanbul of course!
For now, it is routing via Karachi ... but I'm hopeful that Dhaka with its strong west-bound traffic will be able to secure its own direct flight in the near future. Unfortunately I had already bought QR tickets for Dec 23 ... on JFK-DOH-DAC. Just 3 days ... and I could have been on the inaugural flight!!!
tcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14486 times:
Quoting bahadir (Reply 13): There isn't any other airline in Turkey that can fill that gap.. As LAXIntl mentioned, Atlas could have been a good competitor but there is no room for any airline to to have a #2 spot in Turkish aviation market. The powers to be won't let it happen and TK is still a monopoly.
The Turkish Aviation market is expanding and eventually there will be more serious competition. I won't be surprised if a foreign investor will eye Pegasus or Atlas in the near future. Pegasus might also follow the path of Air Berlin in Germany by starting to think about long-hauls/C-Class. As much as TK and the Turkish Government will hate to see this happen, money is a important motivator.
cuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 213 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14266 times:
The future of Istanbul and its airport problems is one of the most fascinating and interesting projects which will hopefully take place during this decade. I'm surprised that there is not too much discussion about this in the media and on the forum so far.
The decision that will be made is not only important for Istanbul itself as the biggest and one of the most important cultural, economical and touristic metropols in Europe, but also for the future of TK and the reputation of Turkey. Considering a "RyanAir" airport like Silivri is a shame to Istanbul and Turkey IMHO. What a heck, lets consider Tekirdag and Izmit for the future of Istanbul's airport shortage as well.
Quoting slideslope (Reply 5): What about building an additional terminal at IST on the south side of the aiport on the ex-military land?
I suggested this in a post a few month ago, but obviously it is still used by the military and it doesn't seem to be going anywhere. I would even go as far as letting Atatürk airport to be an all TK airport and move all other carriers to Sabiha Gökcen like EK is planning to do when Jebel Ali airport is completed. Besides pissing off a lot of competitors, this would not be viable in the long run but could be a temporary solution while building a new airport.
Quoting thereandback (Reply 3): I hope that they concentrate growth in the city instead of expand out towards the ends of the province. Otherwise in 30-40 years the new airport could be in the same situation as Ataturk airport is in today. There are lots of districts in Istanbul that have substandard housing that could be redeveloped.
I completely agree with you. The only thing you can do today though is to develop Atatürk airport in the extention of RWY23 towards the Marmara Sea. Unfortunately, not too many "gecekundu" or substandard housing in that direction.
If I were to run the project of building a new airport in Istanbul, I can only see one solution. To make a close copy of Osaka International Airport. Build up an artificial island out of Bakirköy Marina in the Marmara Sea.
Positive things about a project like this would be:
- Airport location. Istanbul as a city will grow, but the financial, cultural and touristic center will remain where they are today.
- Traffic situation. No speed-rail, metro or additional free-ways to be constructed for several miles without encounting all the problems that may arise by historical findings on the way.
- Noise abatement. Take off, approach and landing will be performed over the Marmara reducing noise in populated areas.
- Expansion. Istanbul may grow in 50 years time. Marmara will definately be available for further expansion.
- Connetcions. With speed-boats, it would be easy to connect to the airport from the Asian side of Istanbul and from the city of Bursa adding another 2 million more potential travellers.
- Publicity. These big projects attract a lot of attention world wide and can only be good for Istanbul and Turkey.
- Landmark. Something for the Turkish people and country to be proud of as of the bridges over the Bosphorus for example.
Negative sides of the project would be:
- Expensive. Definately not cheap but in my opinion worth it for a soon to become 20 million people city.
- Possible Operational Limitation. Installation of Low Visibility Approaches may be difficult and therefore limit the use of the airport during foggy days.
- Location. Possibly too close to Atatürk airport (and Sabiha Gökcen airport) making radar operations too complicated.
- Enviroment. Possible impact on the nature in and around the Marmara Sea.
- Earthquakes. Should not be a problem if constructed according to what they did in Osaka International.
Any opinions? Am I reasoning clearly or am I just a yabanci who had too much raki in the afternoon?
tcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14187 times:
Quoting cuban8 (Reply 17): Expensive. Definately not cheap but in my opinion worth it for a soon to become 20 million people city.
The cost of Kansai Airport (Osaka) reached 20 Billion USD. One of the most expensive Airport/Building projects in history. The total cost of HKG was also in that region. Kansai used to sink a few centimeters each year.
Also building a hub in the middle of residential areas such as Yesilkoy and Florya will be controversial.
As I mentioned before, Seouls Incehon is about 40 miles from the city centre, similar to Silivri. Incheon replaced Gimpo Airport and has a rail link that links these two airports.
IMHO, Incehon is a test case example for the new hub in Istanbul.
tcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13989 times:
Apperantly a 77W operating flight TK60 to BKK had to be evacuated just before take off due to a fire indication in the hold. It seems that the crew handled the situation well and nobody was seriously hurt.
gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1100 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13816 times:
Quoting cuban8 (Reply 17): If I were to run the project of building a new airport in Istanbul, I can only see one solution. To make a close copy of Osaka International Airport. Build up an artificial island out of Bakirköy Marina in the Marmara Sea
I actually suggested this on a previous thread, although it won't be done, I think it will be a trophy project that will not only keep the airport closer to the city, but also a project that will boost the ego of the current govt. they love that
Quoting tcm (Reply 18): The cost of Kansai Airport (Osaka) reached 20 Billion USD. One of the most expensive Airport/Building projects in history. The total cost of HKG was also in that region. Kansai used to sink a few centimeters each year.
I'm not in construction or a developer, but I don't think it will cost as much in Turkey, plus with 'yap-islet-devret" lots of the cost could be absorbed by the private sector (namely TAV), now tell me if a metropol like Istanbul, with a population close to 20 mil in few years can't justify this project.
Having said that can KIX be a mega-hub? or is it space limited always?
These are all decisions that need to be made, I'm not 100% against Silivri, but I think its just way too far, and we all know now that the airport is going there the residential development will follow. They need to block way more land than they are actually looking to build because Turkish mentality will put high rise residences right on the edge
Also what would happen to IST?
Quoting tcm (Reply 19): Apperantly a 77W operating flight TK60 to BKK had to be evacuated just before take off due to a fire indication in the hold. It seems that the crew handled the situation well and nobody was seriously hurt.
Saw pictures with slides deployed, did they really have to do that? Was it just a fire indicator or actual smoke, I'm really surprised they deployed the slides, would love to hear more about this.
tcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13795 times:
The Aviation Herald report is as follows:
''A THY Turkish Airlines Boeing 777-300, registration TC-JJC performing flight TK-60 (scheduled departure Dec 3rd) from Istanbul Ataturk (Turkey) to Bangkok (Thailand) with 284 passengers and 14 crew, had lined up for departure on runway 17L and was waiting for takeoff clearance when the crew received a fire indication for the rear cargo hold and a burning smell developed in the rear of the cabin. The crew initiated an evacuation via slides, during which 30 passengers received minor injuries. Responding emergency services found no trace of fire, heat or smoke.
The runway was closed for about 90 minutes.
A replacement Boeing 777-300 registration TC-JJD reached Bangkok with a delay of 8:15 hours.''
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4114 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13770 times:
-About Silivri airport;
Back in the day, during my early college years, our class was given a semester long project how to develop Silivri. (can't remember why Silivri) I remember Silivri local authority taking us by bus to local hot spots on the weekends, eating lots of Kofte, taking pics. This was more than 25 years ago and us students couldn't come up with anything tangible. We tried Convention center ideas, hotels with beach access.... never thought of a third airport. Silly kids!!
An airport around Gazitepe, Silivri will be 60km east of IST. I imagine it will be built north of the major highway. I highly doubt that they will spend $20B or so on an airport in the middle of Marmara Sea. No Way! I still don't know how they can build one in Silivri for $5B. Just look at the new JED renderings for a 30mil capacity that will cost $7B.
This is what I know;
-TK is here to stay as the major player both domestic and international and soon 1/2 of its pax could be transfer pax. So TK doesn't care if the new airport is built in Sofia.
-Besides rail and highway, a seaport at the Marmara sea that connects to a monorail to terminals could ease the traffic immensely. This would be a 5 km or so monorail, light rail that can transport pax from Kadikoy, Eminonu, Karakoy, Bakirkoy, Bostanci or even Yalova seaports.
-I wouldn't be surprised if there is a market for a SAW-Silivri turbo prop service with 50 seaters when the new airport opens. Baha, do you want to start a company???
What I would like to know;
-What will happen to IST and SAW?
-Cargo logically will move to the 3rd airport, that would give IST capacity to grow also, even with LCCs, which could affect SAW??
-What happens till the 3rd airport opens? (5-10 years??) A big mess at IST.
IST could serve Low Cost Carriers only. Another option is to make IST domestic only, ike Gimpo in S.Korea. Link Silivri and IST with a high speed rail link. The third option, to make the new airport TK only and keep foreign carriers at IST, following the Jebel Ali example in Dubai. The last option is a gamble though.
I think SAW can still serve Istanbul as a secondary airport, like Gatwick.
Quoting TK787 (Reply 23): -What happens till the 3rd airport opens? (5-10 years??) A big mess at IST.
I think this is the most pressing issue that causes most concern.
25 radiopolitic: I'm really curious to see how IST/SAW manages to cope with the rapid expansion of TK. With the many frequencies and new routes that have been announce
26 pilotaydin: Hi there, i can tell you firmly with the inside info i have, that evacuating was a good decision. There usually won't be smoke or flames visible from
27 thereandback: Even though its plagued with delays the Marmaray tunnel under the Bosporus along with upgraded commuter rail stations and trains is scheduled to be f
28 TK787: First of all, congrats to TK to have a very good load on that plane that night. Second, I am glad everyone is safe, some injured during evac which is
29 LAXintl: For the IST and SAW debate post a new airport, I also believe the current IST should be demolished. Its simply too close to the city these days, and t
30 pilotaydin: It will be my pleasure to explain to you. The first thing for us, in investigating is to be able to filter out the hear say freom the truth. The trut
31 pilotaydin: honey is dripping from your mouth hahhah translate that directly. Thanks wing, I hope to join you for my 100 hours of initial command time, 17 months
32 TK787: Thanks for taking the time to explain it all in detail. Besides TK and Boeing, SHGM takes place in this investigation? Flight data recorder and cockp
33 tcm: Well one fellow FlyerTalker with the nickname britinva79 was on the TK60 flight. This is what he had to say: ''The staff onboard were quite profession
34 IndianicWorld: Even in 2006 IST seemed to be bursting at the seems when I flew in there. Great international terminal, but the runways seemed very congested and gate
35 LAXintl: As I said prior I just don’t see the current IST remaining after the inauguration of the new airport. If for no other reason that THY will not want
36 IndianicWorld: I agree that its certainly llikely that TK will want that, but if IST is closed the size, and subsequently the costs, will rise significantly. Its all
37 stylo777: does anybody know who Ahmet Tunaguer is? I'm really sad about his article http://www.airturkhaber.com/yazar.asp?yaziID=1961 instead of writing positiv
38 pilotaydin: vay vay vay....adamin yazdiklarina bak, SEREFSIZ, of course people will be injured, the cabin crew did a great job and everyone got out...there is no
39 tcm: Why don't you talk with TK Media Relations, Basin Musavirligi, Ali Genc. TK should do some proper Corporate Communication to address such issues. IMH
40 umit: how about a blog ? I can get the name say something like ''insider view'' or ''pilots view'' or whatever you think appropriate ? Then ,you inseders ,
41 robcol99: I flew TC-JNH to IST-BRU last week. Contrary to a lot of comments, I found the interior to be very nice. (talking about Y-class obviously) The only ne
42 TK787: -He is wrong in saying noone injured at US Hudson accident. From Wikipedia: There were five serious injuries, one of which was a deep laceration
43 thereandback: New Sivas airport my turkish is not perfect but shouldn't this say havalimani or havaalani? render:
44 stylo777: plus: if people care more about their belonging no wonder why people get injuried during evacuation. in the flight training center I did the evacutio
45 tcm: Blaming passengers for their injuries is a dangerous path to follow. It is the crews responsibility to make sure that evacuation is done accordingly
46 TK787: Thanks for the info. Nice to hear that the interiors are getting positive remarks. Pitch on the other hand will be a big issue. IST-BRU distance is n
47 TK787: From the TK website: -KIX goes from 4 to 5 x weekly March 27 -SIN-CGK goes daily March 27 -PVG goes daily Dec 20 http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-TR.
48 wing: Dear friends, I looked at the mentioned website,the interesting thing is it was only read about 101 times, if we exclude all of us who looked to that
49 TK787: Thanks for a very insightful post. Happy landings.