LondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1203 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7837 times:
Great news. Although ZRH (already served by EK) is Switzerland's main business airport, there are a lot of international bodies located in GVA and, of course, GVA is located at the French border.
UAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 904 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7755 times:
waw what a good news, EY got a strong competitor from June onward.
IndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2403 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7615 times:
Geneva is the next Gulf aviation battle Ground
Whats the market size on GVA? I know it has higher yielding demand potential , however can the seat capacity be filled throughout the planes? Will be interesting to see.
flyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1005 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7555 times:
Quoting LondonCity (Reply 1): Great news. Although ZRH (already served by EK) is Switzerland's main business airport, there are a lot of international bodies located in GVA and, of course, GVA is located at the French border.
And GVA is very popular with visitors from the Gulf, especially in the summer.
You can often see expensive cars with Dubai registration plates driving around the city.
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faro From Egypt, joined Aug 2007, 1445 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7417 times:
Quoting flyingalex (Reply 6): And GVA is very popular with visitors from the Gulf, especially in the summer.
You can often see expensive cars with Dubai registration plates driving around the city.
True, but only in the summer. Rest of the year is pretty barren with respect to Gulfies. Maybe EK is thinking of a seasonal route?
I have the distinct impression that EK's arrival will over-saturate the GVA-Gulf market. Unless there is more and more traffic to be wrested from the likes of LX and SQ on their Swissland-Asia routes. The Geneva market in itself is pretty small since the total Geneva/Vaud/peripheral France catchment area has a population of not more than, say, half a million people.
LondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1203 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7349 times:
Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 5): Im surprised that it doesnt fly there already!
I suspect that EK was originally given rights to one Swiss city so it opted for ZRH. Note that EY and QR serve GVA but not ZRH.
Quoting faro (Reply 8): I have the distinct impression that EK's arrival will over-saturate the GVA-Gulf market. Unless there is more and more traffic to be wrested from the likes of LX and SQ on their Swissland-Asia routes.
But LX has very few long-haul flights from GVA while SQ only serves ZRH. In fact, most other long-haul carriers have opted for ZRH rather than GVA. Switzerland is a very affluent country with a strong currency so I guess EK will be aiming its ex-GVA service at passengers flying beyond DXB to Asia and Australasia.
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5540 posts, RR: 40 Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6538 times:
Quoting SR4ever (Reply 12): Any chances we may see a 2nd daily LX flight ZRH-DXB, night (outbound) and noon (inbound)?
I doubt. EK already flies twice daily. I think four daily flights are too many. But I can imagine that EK will replace its two flights with one 380 as SQ did.
From September 2010 EK will once again increase capacity by changing the evening flight from 77L to 77W offering their top notch first class product on both flights to ZRH.
Malayil From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 72 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6243 times:
GVA was definitely a gaping hole in their European destination map. There are rumors that CPH could start soon as well as KBP and LED. I would hope they have ARN, BEG, WAW, BRU, ESB, and BCN in the mix as well.
Yes, it would be too much right now, but once Dubai has hopefully headed into a genuine recovery (2012/2013), there might be a better case for that.
So far, within the LH Group, there is only 1 daily opportunity to fly DXB ---> Europe at daytime, namely the DXB-MUC morning flight of LH, which leaves DXB so early that you won't get a decent night sleep, though. The remaining 3 flights (DXB-FRA, DXB-VIE and DXB-ZRH) are operated at night.
SkyTeam has a more balanced offer, with 1 KL flight operated at daytime on DXB-AMS (vs. 2 night flights viz 1 KL DXB-AMS 1 AF DXB-CDG). Used to be even more balanced when AF operated 4-5 extra weekly flights (332) until a few months ago.
Frankly, it would be great to have a DXB-ZRH flight leaving round or just before noon, and due in ZRH bang at the start of the 3rd and penulatimate connecting bank. Flying ZRH-DXB, it would leave at the end of the 4th and last connecting bank, and arrive in DXB round 7am, i.e. a bit later and at a more civilised time that the MUC-DXB LH flight.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22077 posts, RR: 51 Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6127 times:
I just read today in the NY Times about the booming business in Geneva and how hundreds of companies are making it their European home thanks to its liberal tax policy and central locations. Article mentioned that 40% of the cities population is now foreign which undoubtedly leads to added travel itself. Also the FT a few weeks back itself had a story about how Geneva was headed to become the world largest oil commodity trading market also supplanting London.
So lots of good is happening in Geneva.
At the end of the day, I think the choice was very good for Emirates. And keep in mind EK is not just after Middle East traffic but can connect GVA to the Far-East, Australia, Indian sub-continent etc
Basically half the world can be connected from GVA via DXB.
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lychemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 905 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5946 times:
A lot of GVA traffic also comes from the French region around GVA. In fact part of the airport is in France.
Timlin88 From Switzerland, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 44 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5138 times:
Great news! Can't wait to see the EK monsters drifting in over my house. I think there is a decent market around here, despite the airlines already present. But more than this will be pushing it.
Quoting faro (Reply 8): the total Geneva/Vaud/peripheral France catchment area has a population of not more than, say, half a million people.
It has significantly more than that. Geneva Canton alone has over 500'000 inhabitants. If you count in Vaud, France and perhaps the Valais, you've got close to a million people, if not more.
SR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 766 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5093 times:
GVA also has a unique asset in its close catchment area: the White Mount
25 PhilInBRN: You can also count in Fribourg and to a certain degree Berne into the Geneva catchment area adding another 500'000. Basically for everybody living we
26 worldliner: EK have so many aircraft now they will open new routes just because they can, although i'm surprised that they don't already fly here.
27 Quokka: Tim Clark was recently reported to be complaining that he could not get hold of aircraft quickly enough and this was limiting EK's growth. So, I susp
28 Sandager: According to several Scandinavian websites and newspapers Emirates has applied for daily slots, and plan to start the route in June 2011. But let's s
29 YULWinterSkies: The Haute-Savoie department in France is pretty much entirely within that catchment area and has about 700,000 people. Add another 100,000 or so on t
30 ZRH: You are right. Only Geneva, Vaud and Valais together have 1'437'000 people (2009). http://www.raonline.ch/pages/edu/ur/chstat04a.html
31 faro: Absolutely; something's gonna give. EK is the only carrier of the three to publish audited accounts so they may be the first to restrict service if v
32 Viscount724: More like triple that number. Just as a sidenote, it's referred to as "Mont Blanc" even in English.
33 behramjee: Remember residents of Lyon, France will drive to GVA to catch a flight if need be so there is another secondary market for EK to scout out. Also GVA-D
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