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User currently offlineDELTA7478 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7395 times:

Good morning, With all the new Asian Carries announcing their intentions in joining Sky Team, I just wanted to know how it will look when the dust settles. We know that China Easter and China Airlines along with Shanghai Airlines and Garuda Indonesia will join in 2011 and 2012. Aerolineas Argentinas just last week announced that they too will going SKY in 2012 too. Know we just need to get Jet Airways in India and we will be a strong alliance. what do you all thing.

Here are the new Airlines to Sky Team
1. China Easter
2. China Airlines
3. Shanghai Airlines
So all together in China we have four strong Airlines when you count China Southern.

South Asia
1. Garuda Indonesia
2. Vietnam Airlines

South America
1. Aerolineas Argentinas.

In India we need to grab:
1. Jet Airways or Indigo.

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User currently offline777KLM From China, joined Apr 2005, 530 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7363 times:

Isn't Jet Airways also in talks with Star?
Personally I really keep my fingers crossed for MH joing SkyTeam!



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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7345 times:

- MEA will join ST next year or in 2012.
- Saudi Arabian too is in talks with ST


User currently offlineDELTA7478 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7313 times:

Quoting 777KLM (Reply 1):
Isn't Jet Airways also in talks with Star



That's what I hear too, but since Air India already sing the agreement with Star, that will make Jet Airways go the other way.Jet Airways has no code shares with AI, In matter of fact their rivals so why would Jet want to join Star. And if for some reason they did it will create tensions between them too. Having Jet Airways going SKY will open Europe with all the airlines that they already have, then can pick and chose where they want to have their hub. And Asia too. In the US they Will have Delta. and your right about MH. it will make a good addition.


User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7246 times:

Quoting DELTA7478 (Reply 3):
Air India already sing the agreement with Star, that will make Jet Airways go the other way.


Air India signing an agreement does not deter Jet from doing anything. All you have to do is look at the mess that Air India is in to realize they may never join Star in the end. Once upon a time Swiss signed an agreement with oneworld, we all know how that turned out.

Quoting DELTA7478 (Reply 3):
Jet Airways has no code shares with AI, In matter of fact their rivals so why would Jet want to join Star.


Air China and Shanghai Airlines were rivals when they joined Star. Continental and Delta were rivals. Thai and Singapore Airlines are rivals. Aren't China Southern and China Eastern rivals?

Quoting DELTA7478 (Reply 3):
and your right about MH. it will make a good addition.


The problem here seems to be the largest European airline in Skyteam is trying to hold on to its alliance with an airline in oneworld which has stopped them from allowing MH into the alliance. However you are right, MH would be a fantastic addition to the alliance.

At the end of the day, Jet is not interested in joining an alliance at the moment, think Alaska Airlines. Jet sees more potential by being independent rather than "tying" themselves down. Jet in Skyteam would be great for Skyteam, but I am not entirely sure it would be great for Jet.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7221 times:

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 4):
The problem here seems to be the largest European airline in Skyteam is trying to hold on to its alliance with an airline in oneworld which has stopped them from allowing MH into the alliance.

Please expand on that statement, including names and sources for the airlines involved.


User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7127 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 5):
Please expand on that statement, including names and sources for the airlines involved.

Air France and Qantas



ET In NYC
User currently offlineDELTA7478 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7119 times:

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 4):

Air China and Shanghai Airlines were rivals when they joined Star. Continental and Delta were rivals. Thai and Singapore Airlines are rivals. Aren't China Southern and China Eastern rivals?



True in some way, but Shanghai Airlines and China Easter are owned buy the same company, that's why the broke away from Star. And I know that Thai and Singapore don't like each other prom previous topics in here.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 4):

Air India signing an agreement does not deter Jet from doing anything. All you have to do is look at the mess that Air India is in to realize they may never join Star in the end. Once upon a time Swiss signed an agreement with oneworld, we all know how that turned out.



You are right, it's going to be interesting to see what AI is going to do. AI still having problems integrating their technology part, the point here is that SKY needs a good Indian carrier. Maybe if AI doest't join Star they will think about Sky or Indigo.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7091 times:

Quoting AA787 (Reply 6):
Air France and Qantas

I get the carriers but still don't see any proof that AF is stopping MH because of Qantas. Is there any proof?


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7002 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 5):
Please expand on that statement, including names and sources for the airlines involved.

I have no information on the situation, but the largest European airline in Skyteam is AF and the only OneWorld carrier S.E. Asia is CX. So I assume those are the airlines he is referring to.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6948 times:

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 4):
At the end of the day, Jet is not interested in joining an alliance at the moment, think Alaska Airlines. Jet sees more potential by being independent rather than "tying" themselves down. Jet in Skyteam would be great for Skyteam, but I am not entirely sure it would be great for Jet.

I think Jet has expressed an interest in joinging Star Alliance. I don't think they necessarily want to stay independent. I think it would be very difficult to if AI and IT join alliances. Codeshare partners would be limited to SkyTeam.

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 5):
Please expand on that statement, including names and sources for the airlines involved.

QF perhaps?

AA1818



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User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3262 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6827 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 10):
I think Jet has expressed an interest in joinging Star Alliance. I don't think they necessarily want to stay independent. I think it would be very difficult to if AI and IT join alliances. Codeshare partners would be limited to SkyTeam.

The Indian government is requiring that Air India join Star before Jet will be allowed to. Air India is seemingly unable to do this in a timely fashion. This is frustrating Jet and leading to strong hints that they will join SkyTeam instead. A major codeshare agreement with Alitalia was recently announced and there was strong speculation in ATW magazine that Jet is seriously looking at SkyTeam now. Including a comment from unnamed Jet official.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6772 times:

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 4):
Continental and Delta were rivals.

Not quite the same thing. CO was dragged, kicking and screaming into Skyteam because of their relationship with NW. CO never really wanted to be there.



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User currently offlineDELTA7478 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6716 times:

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 11):
The Indian government is requiring that Air India join Star before Jet will be allowed to. Air India is seemingly unable to do this in a timely fashion. This is frustrating Jet and leading to strong hints that they will join SkyTeam instead. A major code share agreement with Alitalia was recently announced and there was strong speculation in ATW magazine that Jet is seriously looking at SkyTeam now. Including a comment from unnamed Jet official.



I think you are right, Air India was suppose to be a member of Star last year, AI keeps pushing the date to next year, if that even happens. They even showed up at the CO initiation party, what's up with that??


User currently offlineNYCAdvantage From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6713 times:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...comm&id=news/avd/2010/10/27/11.xml

http://www.lifeinitaly.com/news/alit...trikes-alliance-indias-jet-airways

The way Jet is going is reminding me the way AV was dealing with SkyTeam before they flew out to *A, you can see small signs that the wheels are turning but nothing big, one thing that really catch my eyes is this "Jet has also switched its lounge to the SkyTeam facility from Etihad’s lounge, which opened in June last year. Premium passengers with Jet Airways now use the SkyTeam lounge at London Heathrow’s Terminal 4". like I said nothing big nor too fast.

and officially everything still respectfully the same in their Brussels hub and with *A because they can still call it business as usual.

"We have excellent relations with Italy and hope to have the same with Air France. As for joining Skyteam we must first determine whether this would be advantageous for us before deciding,"Naresh Goyal said.

So like I said is small signs but I do fell they are thinking about it.


User currently offlineDELTA7478 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6612 times:

Quoting NYCAdvantage (Reply 14):
We have excellent relations with Italy and hope to have the same with Air France. As for joining Skyteam we must first determine whether this would be advantageous for us before deciding,"Naresh Goyal said.

So like I said is small signs but I do fell they are thinking about it.

Good point.


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6527 times:

Apart than MU, CI, GA, AR and ME, which are already in membership process, one could add:


Europe:
- CY
- JU
- BE (subject to BA consenting)

Americas
- G3
- WS

Asia
- SV
- 9W
- P7
- MH
- SB


Africa/Indian Ocean
- AH or AT
- ex-V7
- HM
- MD
- MK



I really don't see how any of QR, EY, EK or WY could fit into Skyteam, conversely.

[Edited 2010-12-01 08:56:29]

User currently offlineDTWHKG From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6415 times:

China Airlines is not considered a Chinese airline.

User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6279 times:

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 4):
Air China and Shanghai Airlines were rivals when they joined Star. Continental and Delta were rivals. Thai and Singapore Airlines are rivals. Aren't China Southern and China Eastern rivals?

I seem to recall that CZ and MU have signed or agreed to some kind of cooperation agreement. Perhaps someone more knowledgable could elaborate.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6251 times:

Quoting DTWHKG (Reply 17):
China Airlines is not considered a Chinese airline.

I dare say that China Airlines considers themselves a Chinese airline.


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4895 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6174 times:
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The latest on 9W and Skyteam

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...26_2010_p0-272433.xml&channel=comm

Looks like 9W's first preference would be Star

"...As for India, Wijk says a lot depends on whether Air India finally ends up joining Star Alliance. Air India’s membership of Star Alliance has been delayed several times, partly because the state-owned Indian carrier has been pre-occupied with completing a merger with its state-owned sibling Indian Airlines. Air India has also encountered problems getting its information technology systems ready to be compatible with Star Alliance’s other member carriers.

Wijk says if Air India fails to join Star Alliance, there is a strong chance that privately-owned Indian carrier Jet Airways will try to join Star Alliance. But if Air India does end up joining Star Alliance, that helps pave the way for Jet to possibly become a member of SkyTeam, he says...."


User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2168 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6115 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 2):

- MEA will join ST next year or in 2012.

They have been in the process of joining and announcing their membership for something like 6-7 years now. Still hasn't happened.


User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

Quoting Mozart (Reply 21):
They have been in the process of joining and announcing their membership for something like 6-7 years now. Still hasn't happened.

They announced it. It's a done deal.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5914 times:

Quoting delimit (Reply 22):
Quoting Mozart (Reply 21):
They have been in the process of joining and announcing their membership for something like 6-7 years now. Still hasn't happened.

They announced it. It's a done deal.

No, it's still not a done deal. Though the MEA Board of Directors approved the plan of the MEA CEO to become a Skyteam member, it's still a plan, nothing final and the procedures for MEA entering Skyteam haven't begun. Having said this, the chances that MEA will opt for another alliance are slim. It's only a done deal when there is a signature.

http://www.mea.com.lb/English/Corpor...Pages/PressDetails.aspx?pressid=68

Quoting panamair (Reply 20):

Wijk says if Air India fails to join Star Alliance, there is a strong chance that privately-owned Indian carrier Jet Airways will try to join Star Alliance. But if Air India does end up joining Star Alliance, that helps pave the way for Jet to possibly become a member of SkyTeam, he says...."

Maybe then AI for Skyteam?


User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5835 times:
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Royal Air Maroc has been talked about for years for ST membership. There was an article in Aviation Week several years ago which spoke of the high probability of ST membership for RAM. RAM and AF have had a close relationship for many years., But I haven't heard about anything recently. (And DL does codeshare the JFK-CMN RAM flight.)

25 EddieDude : I think their managements have expressed their desire to cooperate closely in the domestic Chinese market and also abroad through the membership of b
26 Coal : China Eastern, given they are the major player in the eastern China market (ex-SHA and ex-PVG) No. China Airlines (CI) operate very limited flights t
27 EddieDude : I may be wrong, but I think the talks between Hainan and oneworld did not lead anywhere. Don't quote me on that.
28 SR4ever : Yes, AT is one of those likely coming ST members, given the its ties with AF (and DL). If so, I don't think AH would join ST, though.
29 Super80 : At the end of the day, they are still Chinese regardless if they base in Taipei (ROC) or Mainland China (PRC). even Cathay Pacific is a "Chinese" air
30 Coal : Define Chinese. SQ could also be defined as Chinese. Point is, neither CX nor CI compete with CA, CZ, MU or FM domestically, so in this argument you
31 bobnwa : If it flies from and is based in a country with China in its name (ROC) and has the word China painted on the aircraft then it is Chinese. It sure ai
32 Post contains images Coal : See below OK Bob, hope the La-Z-Boy is comfy. Enjoy it! Cheers Coal
33 Coal : I'm sure you consider MX and AM to be American airlines right? Heck, the official name for Mexico is the United States of Mexico. If it flies from an
34 bobnwa : No but I do consider them to be a North American Airline. As far as a Chinese airlines goes even The PRC considers Taiwan to be part of China. And no
35 lhr380 : What would SB really add to the alliance. They are doing pretty well not being in one, and have codeshares with AF NZ QF KE which suits them fine im
36 NYCAdvantage : very true, but 9W as you can see is not placing their bets on Air India not joining *A, I guess they are shopping them selves I guess just in case. I
37 Post contains links NYCAdvantage : Maybe Saudi Arabian airlines may be in the way to SkyTeam too, there were Details of the new codeshare between Saudi Arabian Airlines and Air France-
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