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Air France AF 084 CDG-SFO Diverting Now! (01DEC)  
User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22680 times:

I am looking up the status of AF 084 on the Air France website (my mom is on this flight) and it looks like they're diverting to Boston for a MX issue. Does anyone know what's going on?

AF website says they will stay in BOS for one hour and continue to SFO. Wondering how accurate that is. Also, will the crew time out?

Any news would be great
cheers,
WindowSeat


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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1092 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22662 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR84

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User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22618 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 1):

Umm...that I see. Doesn't show anything more than what I already know. But thanks.

So, it looks like they were originally going to divert to Montreal but decided to divert to BOS. Does that mean they will clear everyone through customs and immigration and then put them on another plane? Is Delta forking out a plane and crew to take them BOS-SFO?

cheers,
WindowSeat



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User currently offlineukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22508 times:

I am guessing here but Flight Aware shows the flight is at 26,000ft having dropped down from 34,000ft.

Might that suggest the A340 has shut down one engine and is flying on 3 engines at reduced altitude? I am sure somebody more knowledgable than I might be able to comment on the significance of that.


User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22477 times:

But they're at 30,000 ft now


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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5614 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22371 times:

Perhaps enabled after lightened load from fuel burn...


...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22304 times:

Yeah but why would they descend 8000 ft in the space of nine minutes from 340 to 260? That's about when they started the left turn 70degrees left to make way towards BOS instead of SFO.

Then they climbed back up to 300



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21853 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 22048 times:

Quoting WindowSeat (Thread starter):
AF website says they will stay in BOS for one hour and continue to SFO. Wondering how accurate that is. Also, will the crew time out?

If the AF website says they'll be stopping in BOS and continuing, I'd say there's a good chance that there won't be any crew issues - they'd have known about those already. They no doubt have relief pilots on board for the flight, so they likely have enough time to make it to SFO.

As for clearing customs, it's possible, but depending on the specific nature of the problem, it might not be worth the extra time. Doesn't sound like a medical issue, since it wouldn't make sense to overly YUL for that.

-Mir



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User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21520 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):

It does right now, but that's assuming that they will take an hour on the ground. If it were just refueling, I'd say that's accurate. But a mechanical incident, I'm not sure I can rely on that one hour stop. At what point will the crew time out?

I guess I should be looking at hotel rooms in Boston eh?

cheers,
WindowSeat



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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21339 times:

Quoting WindowSeat (Reply 8):

I guess I should be looking at hotel rooms in Boston eh?

Or you could check re-routing options. Considering that AF & DL operate as one across the Atlantic, you shouldn't have much trouble re-booking on DL from BOS to SFO.


User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21025 times:

Got a text from mom saying, some fault with the toilets. What could that be? If they were over Canada anyway, why divert to BOS and not continue? It was only a couple of hours more to go.

Any ideas?



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User currently offlinerbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20765 times:

There's a front moving through the NE US right now, that may have something to do with it. And with strong headwinds behind this front it may be significantly longer than a couple hours to SFO.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20617 times:

AF084 landed at BOS at 3:03PM LT and will not continue its way to SFO.
AF083 SFO-CDG is cancelled today.


User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20496 times:

Do you know what they are doing with the pax? rebooking them? my mom is on this flight and I haven't heard anything other than the text from her. Are they putting them in BOS overnight?


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6920 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20109 times:

Toilet fault usually means most or all toilets are unusable (clogged up). It looks like it's common, last time I heard of that problem it was already on an AF flight, a 744 from GRU or GIG that actually turned around back to Brazil.

[Edited 2010-12-01 15:02:51]


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User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19553 times:

I called Delta (since I had booked the ticket through Delta) and they said that they landed in Boston. But now they've put all of them on a different aircraft and are on the way from Boston to San Francisco. I can't find anything on Delta's or Air France's website about it.

Flightaware doesn't show any unusual flights between BOS and SFO either. Anyone know what's going on?

cheers,
WindowSeat



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User currently offlinejdflyvc10 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 18513 times:

WindowSeat
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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18007 times:

Quoting WindowSeat (Reply 15):

Flightaware doesn't show any unusual flights between BOS and SFO either. Anyone know what's going on?

I do not know what's going on, but assuming no unusual flights to SFO it is safe to assume they were re-routed through one or more of Delta's hubs and on to SFO.


User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17753 times:

Quoting jdflyvc10 (Reply 16):

Yes I did. She finally called. She's waiting at the AF ticketing desk with 300 other people to get accommodation for the night.

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 17):

Originally the same acft was to continue to SFO. They fixed the toilet problem and were about to leave the gate in BOS when the crew timed out, so they canceled the flight. Everyone went through immigration and customs and now it's a mad dash to the AF ticketing counter to get rebooked. I called DL and rebooked her already. I guess they will give her accommodation (which I can book a hotel room for her too). So finally she'll get home tomorrow.

So what happens to all the people stranded in SFO who needed to get to Paris? Will they reposition the plane from BOS to SFO and fly it out tomorrow or something? Or simply ferry it back to CDG and rebook the SFO people on today's flight to other flights.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9803 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17351 times:

Quoting WindowSeat (Reply 10):
Got a text from mom saying, some fault with the toilets. What could that be? If they were over Canada anyway, why divert to BOS and not continue? It was only a couple of hours more to go.

Toilet faults are a common cause of diversion on long haul flights. On short haul the planes likely will go to the destination, but 3+ hours without toilets is a serious problem. Sure it is fine for most people to hold on for 3 hours, but what if you were in line for the lav when the system failed. That will be a miserable 3 hours.

The fact that the airplane descended to 26,000ft implies they could have had a bleed air or problem with the PACS. I'm not sure how the vacuum system on the A340 works, but it likely is related to the air pressurization system. Lavatory waste is often in the top 10 for technical problems in an airplane. The systems are delicate and many things can damage them. Flushing paper towels and baby diapers can single handedly disable have the lavs on an airplane.

It is up to the captain and system operations control center on when and where to divert. BOS might make more sense than YUL if passengers have to disembark because some might not be able to enter Canada if they don't have appropriate documents. On top of that it would take longer to get them off than plane in YUL which might eat away at extra time to get to BOS.



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User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8735 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 19):
Sure it is fine for most people to hold on for 3 hours, but what if you were in line for the lav when the system failed. That will be a miserable 3 hours.

A very serious problem and I know that I would never be able to hold out more for 3 plus hours. If the system fails however with quite sometime before reaching the diversion point, can passengers well still use them... obviously they cant flush of course.


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