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Swapa Ratifies Boeing 737-800 TA  
User currently offlineVmcavmcg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southw...ots-prnews-875421128.html?x=0&.v=1

Looks like a good deal for all!

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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

This does look like a good deal! And depending on how many -800's they buy, it co prolong the need for replacing the 737 as a whole for a few more years atleast!


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User currently offlinedavs5032 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

This is somewhat of a surprise for me, as -8's are a sizable increase in capacity over their current 137 seat max. I would think that, assuming they keep the configuration consistent, these would seat around 160 or so. Anyone know which WN routes are the highest capacity and might be in need of these new additions?

-I think it's possible that WN uses these -8's to try out a configuration w/ some J seats, but others probably have more knowledge on this.


User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 2):
Anyone know which WN routes are the highest capacity and might be in need of these new additions?

I would say a good majority of their routes could use an upgrade! Most of the flight I take with WN are nearly full everytime.

If I had to guess, I would say they would initially start out replacing the rest of the -500's they have at that time, as the -800 came on line. They would move some -300's to fill the -500 spots, take some of the -700's and replace the -300 on the flights that need more capacity, and then incorperate the -800's on the -700 routes that could use more capacity. I would guess as they got more aircraft the older -300's would be replaced first according to route demands.



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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

Let the artist renderings begin flowing!!!!

User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 2):
-I think it's possible that WN uses these -8's to try out a configuration w/ some J seats

There will be no J seats on WN planes any time soon!


User currently offlinecatdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3997 times:
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According to Boeing's website, there are still over 100 73G orders pending. My humble prediction, the 735's will stay as they are not that old. The 733's with the worst maintenance headaches will leave the fleet, replaced by FL 73G's as the fleets are integrated and routes are adjusted as well as new build 73G's during 2011. From 1Q 2012 forward, all new builds will be 738's. I think the 735's and the 712's will kind of become an overlay on the combined WN/FL network, flying unique routes that complement their lower capacity. Again, just an opinion. I certainly wouldn't mind riding on a 712 on TUL/ATL. It's been debated here already that the 738's would likely be used at EWR and LGA due to slot restrictions, giving more available seats to the market.

User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 3):
They would move some -300's to fill the -500 spots, take some of the -700's and replace the -300 on the flights that need more capacity, and then incorperate the -800's on the -700 routes that could use more capacity.

The 733 and 73G have the same capacity: 137.

I suspect you'll see the -800s on the MDW-LGA and MDW-BOS routes for now. I bet DCA will see them as well, once AirTran is integrated. They'll also run them to Hawaii if/when that time comes...


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2856 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

Quoting catdaddy63 (Reply 6):
It's been debated here already that the 738's would likely be used at EWR and LGA due to slot restrictions, giving more available seats to the market.

WN has publicly announced that the 738 will allow it to better serve slot-restricted LGA/EWR/DCA, and also give the airline the ability to serve Hawaii. It could also be important for DAL, which will be severely restricted (with a strict cap on gates) even after 2014.



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User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 2):
This is somewhat of a surprise for me, as -8's are a sizable increase in capacity over their current 137 seat max. I would think that, assuming they keep the configuration consistent, these would seat around 160 or so

WN had announced earlier that their -800s would seat 175.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Quoting 737tanker (Reply 9):
WN had announced earlier that their -800s would seat 175.

That's precisely what the TZ 738s sat (and they were about as comfortable as WN 737s - IIRC 32 inches pitch throughout), so that makes sense.

Quoting catdaddy63 (Reply 6):
From 1Q 2012 forward, all new builds will be 738's

Why?



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User currently offlinecatdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3607 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
Quoting catdaddy63 (Reply 6):
From 1Q 2012 forward, all new builds will be 738's

Why?



As I said, just my prediction. But, I think that the 738 will provide a bridge to Y1 capacity wise. It should also prove to be very useful throughout the system, adding incremental capacity where needed. The combined WN/FL fleet will have over 400 73G's, I don't see why they would add more once the 738's begin arriving. I mentioned 1Q 2012 as that was in the press release for first deliveries.


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 4):
Let the artist renderings begin flowing!!!!

First of all, Happy A.net Bday!      

Second of all, here's the first of many renderings hopefully!:
http://www.dearskysteward.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Southwest-Airlines-737-800.jpg



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User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 3):
If I had to guess, I would say they would initially start out replacing the rest of the -500's they have at that time, as the -800 came on line. They would move some -300's to fill the -500 spots, take some of the -700's and replace the -300 on the flights that need more capacity, and then incorperate the -800's on the -700 routes that could use more capacity. I would guess as they got more aircraft the older -300's would be replaced first according to route demands.

I see the -500s being replaced by the 717s which are much younger, have aprox the same capcity, and are larger in numbers so they'd be less of an oddball in the overall fleet. If the 25 YX/MX ones are still available after the merger closes they could pick them up as 1 for 1 replacements for no net change in fleet numbers. I'd imagine Boeing would offer a good deal just to get rid of them. The 800s purpose will be primarily for routes that need extra capacity either due to slot restrictions (LGA, DCA) or otherwise have very heavy traffic like MDW and ATL to Florida or many of the inter-"hub" flights between MDW/ATL/BWI/DEN/etc. As far as the retirement of the 300s, once the dust settles on the merger, they'll be able to remove a fair number of them as they rightsize capacity from the FL -700 fleet.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6712 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Quoting catdaddy63 (Reply 6):
My humble prediction, the 735's will stay as they are not that old.

The average age of the 735 fleet will hit 20 years in 2011, actually. The 733 fleet is slightly younger, on average, as WN continued to take new 733's up until the first 73G was delivered at the end of 1997.

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 13):
I see the -500s being replaced by the 717s which are much younger, have aprox the same capcity, and are larger in numbers so they'd be less of an oddball in the overall fleet. If the 25 YX/MX ones are still available after the merger closes they could pick them up as 1 for 1 replacements for no net change in fleet numbers. I'd imagine Boeing would offer a good deal just to get rid of them.

This is EXACTLY what I see happening if the FL merger takes place. It helps with the economy of scale in the 717 fleet and eliminates a subtype in the 737 fleet. I suspect Boeing would be very happy to have the majority of 717's produced with a single, profitable operator who might even be willing to take more should they become available. I don't doubt that the 717 has been a headache for Boeing Capital over the last decade.

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 2):
-I think it's possible that WN uses these -8's to try out a configuration w/ some J seats, but others probably have more knowledge on this.

I doubt it. I think there are precious few routes where domestic business class seats consistently generate enough incremental revenue to cover the coach seats lost.

Quoting catdaddy63 (Reply 11):
I think that the 738 will provide a bridge to Y1 capacity wise

I think that Y1 will almost undoubtedly have a model tailored very closely to WN's needs, whatever those might be.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Quoting catdaddy63 (Reply 11):
The combined WN/FL fleet will have over 400 73G's, I don't see why they would add more once the 738's begin arriving. I mentioned 1Q 2012 as that was in the press release for first deliveries.

I guess my question is if there's all this need for the 738, why didn't WN order it sooner? I see the 738 as more of a niche airplane for them - a useful niche airplane for sure, but still a niche airplane.



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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 7):
The 733 and 73G have the same capacity: 137.

A one for one swap for the 733 and 73G isnt too bad. Thanks for correcting me, I did the unspeakable thing in aviation and assumed....


In any case what ever the subsitution will be, I believe that WN will have a few spares sitting around, which is a good thing, for further exspantion as a whole or to add flights to those routes that could use them.



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