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Condor To Launch SEA-FRA  
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32806 posts, RR: 71
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 10946 times:

Condor has loaded new twice-weekly service to Seattle into the GDS. Schedule per Amadeus:

DE 1048 FRA 1530-1720 SEA Mo 763
DE 4048 FRA 1430-1615 SEA Th 763

DE 1049 SEA 1920-1450+1 FRA Mo 763
DE 4049 SEA 1805-1330+1 FRA Th 763

Service starts June 23, 2011.


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User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 790 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 10810 times:

Interesting move there. Must be to catch some additional Alaskan cruise traffic? I would also assume that LH's relatively new service to SEA is doing pretty well, as the Portland flight went away and UA has a few connections to the NW US that LH can link up with.

User currently offlinejunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 768 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10700 times:

Wow. Now DE goes to ANC, FAI, JNU, YVR, SEA and PDX. Only other carrier to do that is AS.

User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10635 times:

I'll admit to nitpicking, but shouldn't the title be FRA-SEA?


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User currently offlineUSXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10572 times:

are they also keeping service to YXY?


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User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1174 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10432 times:

Quoting junction (Reply 2):
Wow. Now DE goes to ANC, FAI, JNU, YVR, SEA and PDX. Only other carrier to do that is AS.

I'm pretty sure they don't fly to JNU. Maybe you meant Whitehorse? I don't even know if they fly there but they don't fly to JNU.


User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10410 times:

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 5):
I'm pretty sure they don't fly to JNU. Maybe you meant Whitehorse?

Correct - DE doesn't serve JNU but does serve Whitehorse. Of course, the reverse is true for AS...


User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5483 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10410 times:

Seasonal service, I assume... filling Y seats to Seattle is not difficult at all in the summer.

User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2497 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10228 times:

Quoting junction (Reply 2):
Wow. Now DE goes to ANC, FAI, JNU, YVR, SEA and PDX. Only other carrier to do that is AS.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but DE doesn't fly to PDX.

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5911 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9980 times:
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Interesting to see that Condor would try SEA-FRA...and not another German destination like Dusseldorf or Munich. Good news for SEA.

User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5911 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9981 times:
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By the way, when does the service start?

User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9885 times:

Does Condor have code share with any other airline beyond FRA?

User currently offlineKirkseattle From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9809 times:

Welcome to Seattle Condor!

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 10):
By the way, when does the service start?
Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Condor has loaded new twice-weekly service to Seattle into the GDS. Schedule per Amadeus:

DE 1048 FRA 1530-1720 SEA Mo 763
DE 4048 FRA 1430-1615 SEA Th 763

DE 1049 SEA 1920-1450+1 FRA Mo 763
DE 4049 SEA 1805-1330+1 FRA Th 763

Service starts June 23, 2011.

Interesting new visitor !


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5911 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9656 times:
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Ha! It would help if I read ALL of the text.

User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9324 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
Interesting to see that Condor would try SEA-FRA...and not another German destination like Dusseldorf or Munich. Good news for SEA.

If you look at Condor's schedules, you'll see that they have no scheduled longhaul flights from anywhere other than FRA. FRA is their base, and there is something else to consider:

Quoting blrsea (Reply 11):
Does Condor have code share with any other airline beyond FRA?

No codeshares, but they have an interline ticketing agreement with their former parent company Lufthansa. LH provides a lot of feed for Condor (mostly coming from German domestic flights, but increasingly also from elsewhere in Europe).



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5911 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8227 times:
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Quoting flyingalex (Reply 14):
If you look at Condor's schedules, you'll see that they have no scheduled longhaul flights from anywhere other than FRA. FRA is their base, and there is something else to consider:
Quoting flyingalex (Reply 14):
No codeshares, but they have an interline ticketing agreement with their former parent company Lufthansa. LH provides a lot of feed for Condor (mostly coming from German domestic flights, but increasingly also from elsewhere in Europe).

If that's the case, then why would Condor compete with LH on the SEA-FRA route...or is LH considering this flight as a summer enhancement?


User currently offlineLH7879 From Germany, joined Dec 2009, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8053 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 3):
I'll admit to nitpicking, but shouldn't the title be FRA-SEA?

Haha, I was thinking the same: How do they get their Aircrafts to SEA for flying them back?


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7816 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 15):

If that's the case, then why would Condor compete with LH on the SEA-FRA route...or is LH considering this flight as a summer enhancement?

Condor is no longer owned by LH - it is now 100% under the control of Thomas Cook Travel. Therefore it can pretty much do whatever it likes in terms of routes.

The additional Condor flights are unlikely to affect LH's loads on FRA-SEA-FRA greatly. I'm sure Thomas Cook has specific types of traffic in mind for these flights - package tours (maybe self-drive RV) to the Pacific Northwest, Alaska cruises, etc. There will be something in their catalogues to fill these flights with new, additional traffic. In other words, Condor will grow the pie, rather than stealing from LH's slice of it.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9652 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7680 times:

How many routes does Condor compete with Lufthansa on?


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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2530 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7447 times:

Always glad to see a new carrier at SEA - have to wonder if there is enough demand, even in summer, to support two flights on this lane.

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5055 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7000 times:

Oh yeah! I have been really wanting to fly to FRA! I wonder if this will lower the fares a little?


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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6603 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 18):
How many routes does Condor compete with Lufthansa on?

Not many.

FRA-YVR next summer, FRA-BAH this winter, and now FRA-SEA.

And you could argue that DE's FRA-FLL competes somewhat with LH's FRA-MIA.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 19):
Always glad to see a new carrier at SEA - have to wonder if there is enough demand, even in summer, to support two flights on this lane.
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 20):
Oh yeah! I have been really wanting to fly to FRA! I wonder if this will lower the fares a little?

Again, I doubt this will make a major impact on LH or the Europe-Seattle market in general. Keep in mind the flights are only twice a week anyway.



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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 785 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 8):
Correct me if i'm wrong, but DE doesn't fly to PDX.

Thenoflyzone

You are correct...DE does not fly to PDX


User currently offlineUSXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5905 times:

Alaska has been propping itself up at the European travel shows; in my past summer job I can attest that we saw more Israelis in Alaska than ever before - this coming from others in the business as well. Tourism from Germany, France, Israel, Russia (wow), and even Egypt are seeing huge increases.


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5531 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 21):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 18):
How many routes does Condor compete with Lufthansa on?

Not many.

FRA-YVR next summer, FRA-BAH this winter, and now FRA-SEA.

And you could argue that DE's FRA-FLL competes somewhat with LH's FRA-MIA.

Looks like Calgary is added as well

http://www.anna.aero/2010/12/01/cond...plit-as-new-destinations-for-2011/



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25 RTWflyer : They also compete on FRA- BKK
26 flyingalex : Condor do fly that route, but this flight cannot be booked independently. Therefore, I do not really consider them to be in competition with LH on th
27 bobnwa : Or to put it another way, how does Condor get its aircraft back to FRA without flying it. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single one way r
28 flyingalex : I didn't mean that at all, because in that case the only correct way to write it would be FRA-SEA-FRA. My point was that you usually put the hub firs
29 bobnwa : I think it wpuld depend on where the story is being written. For instance someone in MSY would write that MSY gets new fligh to SLC, because it is a
30 mtnwest1979 : Well,to get nit-pickier (lol) the plane was built and painted in SEA area, so it flew from SEA area to FRA first. Just needling though lol. It will b
31 wedgetail737 : DE's entry into the FRA-SEA market is somewhat of a surprise to me since there has been no press release regarding the service. I would imagine the se
32 flyingalex : Yes to both points. Condor generates the vast majority of its revenue in Germany (or neighbouring countries). Most seats are sold through tour operat
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