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BBD: NEO No Threat To CSeries.  
User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5465 posts, RR: 30
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Bombardier has made an initial response to the Airbus announcement of their NEO program for the A320 series of aircraft.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/101201/business/airbus_bombardier

Quote:
Airbus is promising a 15 per cent improved fuel burn from the new engines and large wing tip sharklets. But Bombardier is offering a 15 per cent improvement in total cash operating costs, partly from 20 per cent better fuel efficiency.

The Airbus plane is heavier, was designed in the late 1980s and will come with a $6-million premium that will wipe away much of the operating cost savings, Doerksen added.

"Bombardier always anticipated new competition from Airbus and Boeing so, in our view, Airbus's announcement does not alter the business case for the CSeries," he wrote.

Now the game is truly afoot. Next, we wait for the Boeing response.


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User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1305 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Sure if you don't sell how can you suffer competition?

What an arrogant response! Even if the C-series has all the advantages they promise, the NEO woul still close the gap a fair bit and Airbus is an established manufacturer with a braod customer base in the segment and a complete narrowbody portfolio. If I was Bombardier I would watch my steps.



There's still a long way to go before all the alliances deserve a star...
User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5465 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 1):
What an arrogant response!

It was significantly less arrogant than what Leahy said about the CSeries. At least BBD didn't say the CSeries kills the business case for the NEO.



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 2):
It was significantly less arrogant than what Leahy said about the CSeries. At least BBD didn't say the CSeries kills the business case for the NEO.

Good reply. BBD should concentrate now on getting the CS100 and CS300 into the air. I doubt there is a business case for a still longer version left, A320NEO and A321NEO will rule the 2016-2024 time window, but the A319NEO will have a harder stand on short range operations, and the A318 even isn't intended as NEO as of now. The Elite could profit from the larger range, but that can be done once resources are available.


User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Thread starter):
The Airbus plane is heavier, was designed in the late 1980s and will come with a $6-million premium that will wipe away much of the operating cost savings, Doerksen added.

Leahy had that one coming.   


User currently offlinerheinwaldner From Switzerland, joined Jan 2008, 2225 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Thread starter):
"Bombardier always anticipated new competition from Airbus and Boeing so, in our view, Airbus's announcement does not alter the business case for the CSeries," he wrote.

I admit that they probably have anticipated reactions to the CS (and rightfully did so). Everything else would be too naive. I don't presume them to be that naive.

But the A320NEO will still take away sales from them. And not only a few probably.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5465 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2946 times:

Here is more from Bombardier on the subject;

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...neo-heightens-gtf-credibility.html

Quote:
Bombardier is also "glad" that one potential competitor to the CSeries has cleared up uncertainty over its response to the 110-149 seat CS100 and CS300 aircraft, says Hachey.


I found this quote to be the most interesting;

Quote:
Bombardier's biggest concern with regard to the CSeries is "keeping the programme on time", says Hachey, explaining that will be a "differentiator for us".


[Edited 2010-12-02 10:00:27]


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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5465 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2824 times:

Darn that edit window.

Anyway, P&W is saying more good things about the CSeries GTF, (and by extension, all GTF's).

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...cseries-fan-excels-in-testing.html

Quote:
"We've done flutter and operability testing at elevated pressure at a given airflow," Saia says. "We're seeing double-digit margins, which is above the design requirement."



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5465 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

Here is another perspective on the prospects of the CSeries;


http://airinsight.wordpress.com/2010...bardier-cseries%E2%80%9D/#more-705

Quote:
AirInsight’s new study is a follow-on to a report it did in December 2009, “The Coming Narrow-Body Re-Engining Programs for the A320 and 737NG Families.” The 2009 report was a 16-page look at the prospective re-engining programs. The new study began as an update to this report but evolved into an in-depth study of the entire business case for the CSeries, which has been questioned by some—including Airbus, which claims that with the launch of the A320neo (New Engine Option), there is no business case for the CSeries.

AirInsight’s new study concludes quite the contrary. Among its findings:

* By their current competitive responses, Airbus and Boeing validate the business case for the CSeries;
* The CSeries has a superior cash operating cost advantage over the current A318 and A319, retains significant advantage over the A319neo (the A318 won’t be re-engined) and compares favorably with the A320neo;
* The CSeries has a superior cash operating cost advantage over the Boeing 737-600 (none has been sold since 2005) and the 737-700 and compares favorably with the 737-800;



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User currently offlineplanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6188 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 8):
Here is another perspective on the prospects of the CSeries;

I don't think anyone in the industry is going to spend $600 to buy a copy of a report that states the exceedingly obvious.

My favourite "perspective" of the authors is this one...

  • The CSeries in a 150-seat CS500 and the current 130-seat CS300 can replace 175 Boeing 737 Classics and 86 Boeing 717s at Southwest Airlines/AirTran and save Southwest hundreds of millions of dollars before Boeing could respond with a new airplane;
  • Bombardier should develop the CS500 variant;


Curious, though, of what the report's margin and line spacing are that they managed to make it 70 pages long and... that it took 3 months to complete. Were they following some of the threads on this site just to get enough material? After all, anyone can follow these threads and get the exact same info... for free!  



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