Pihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4143 posts, RR: 76 Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2712 times:
It sounds really incredible but in two weeks-time - on Dec 17th - we will be celebrating the Skytrain / DC-3 first flight.
That means we will be celebrating the plane that made it all possible : Airline flying.
So I started this thread as the initial homage to the greatest.
I hope it will be a long one.
Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 1): the Dakota name (I believe it originated with the RAF.) Just a thought....
Quoting Aviopic (Reply 4): This DC2 however is actually delivered in '35 and thus 75 year old.
Aaah ! The "Uiver" ! Was in the Gulf on her remembrance flight to Australia... Got a lot of goodies !.. and I'm glad she's still around 'cause she's a great lady.
The Dak, though not my favourite airplane to fly was a very stable performer. Nothing really fancy, but everything very well.
Those were the years I could fly an accurately timed 300 ft/min descent from 10,000 and into an NDB let-down on the fringes of a cyclone (i.e lots of rain and rain and rain....She wasn't waterproof, either !)
CharlieNoble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2267 times:
Quoting gemuser (Reply 3): Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 1):
! Very few people in the U.S. know of the Dakota name (I believe it originated with the RAF.) Just a thought....
If the purpose of the thread was to generate interest in the DC-3/C-47/Skytrain/Dakota - an American airplane, launched by American Airlines, being discussed on a website with a large American audience - it's not a ridiculous suggestion to broaden the subject line beyond a Commonwealth nickname for it.
The fact that Americans should already know all about the Dak is a separate issue, but I don't see how your post helps that.
bj87 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2250 times:
There are quite a few still flying in revenue service or as charters. the Dutch Dakota Association has two of them and offers regular sight seeing flights on them. Buffalo airways in Canada still uses them on a daily scheduled service.
This amazing plane has out lived many other planes, the DC 4-7 for starters and I hope to be seeing it for a long time to come.
Quoting CharlieNoble (Reply 7): If the purpose of the thread was to generate interest in the DC-3/C-47/Skytrain/Dakota - an American airplane, launched by American Airlines, being discussed on a website with a large American audience - it's not a ridiculous suggestion to broaden the subject line beyond a Commonwealth nickname for it.
That's a bit harsh, besides the suggestion has already been made!
CharlieNoble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2173 times:
Quoting bj87 (Reply 8): That's a bit harsh, besides the suggestion has already been made!
Reading it again, I guess my post did sound harsh but that was not my intent at all. The point I was trying to make was that this is a topic that Americans really ought to be reading, because its an important part of their history. Unfortunately the average American probably doesn't know a "DAK" from a toilet brush, so I think Maxpower1954's suggestion was a great idea to broaden the appeal of the thread.
Quoting star12 (Reply 9): I think what he meant to say was that Americans, even though they built this beautiful aircraft, aren't the only people on this forum, or on this planet.
I know exactly what Gemuser meant to say, and it assumes an awful lot about Maxpower1954 and Americans in general that isn't necessarily true. In this case, we've got a great piece of SHARED aviation history that Americans - whom you accuse of being ignorant of history, self-centered etc. - should know about, and when a guy proposes a more inclusive subject line to get his countrymen engaged you jump on him!
As egregiously self-absorbed as SOME Americans can be, people's rush to judgement and response to perceived insult on here is as bad or worse. Like a short guy with a chip on his shoulder looking for a fight, or a bitter old woman constantly complaining about what's past and done.
Quoting star12 (Reply 9): That may be hard for some of you to grasp though. Best stick to building great planes...
nycbjr From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2107 times:
OK back on topic, if one knows (or has any interest) in the DC-3/C-47 they know its a Dakota, agreed tho Moderators can you modify the heading?
Now.. OMFG 75?!??! I remember getting an airliners magazine when it was 50, and it is what turned my interest away from military aviation to civil. I wrote a book report and read everything I coud get my hands on about the DC-3. I still have that mag and some books in a box someplace. I am now 38 hard to believe I truly became a aviation nerd now 25 years ago! I begged my parents to take me to Geneseo NY, and once I could drive attended every air-show I could and always loved watching the C-47's.
I've never had the chance to fly in one (yet). I did fly in the Fuddy Duddy B-17 however..
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2023 times:
Quoting Aviopic (Reply 4): The original DC3 might be 75 year old but I wonder how many of that age are actually still around and able to fly as most of them are build in the 40 and 50-ties
The oldest surviving DC-3 is N133D, the sixth Douglas Sleeper Transport built in 1935. This aircraft was delivered to American Airlines on 12 July 1935 as NC16005. As of November 2010, the aircraft was at Griffin-Spaulding County Airport, Griffin, Georgia where it was being prepared for a ferry flight to Charlotte County Airport, Punta Gorda, Florida. The aircraft will be restored back to Douglas Sleeper Transport standards, and full airworthiness.
gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1950 times:
Quoting CharlieNoble (Reply 10): I know exactly what Gemuser meant to say, and it assumes an awful lot about Maxpower1954 and Americans in general that isn't necessarily true.
No you don't!
I was referring to people who write cryptic subject lines in general. It is very annoying. It is mostly Americans, but by NO means only them.
Here are ten recent examples, which make NO sense what so ever to me. I know the space on the subject line is limited, but we can do better:
From Civ Av
AFA Releases 86 Page Complaint Vs Delta - [Comment]What's an AFA and what might they complain about?
Swapa Ratifies Boeing 737-800 TA - [Comment]What's a Swapa
AFA Files Interference Vs. Delta - [Comment] Same as 1
It's Official: IAG Is Up And Running - [Comment]Err? IAG has been up and running for nearly 10 years!
Will Aeroparque Reopen On Time? - [Comment]What's an Aeroparque when it's at home?
From Non Av
Ultimate Bundesliga Thread! Season 2010/2011 #3 - [Comment] What's a Bundesliga?
Unemployment Benefits Lapse... [Comment]Unemployment benefits don't lapse, what are you on about?
Lame Duck Horse Trading In Washington - [Comment]Lame or any other kind of ducks trade horses???
Bernanke Warns Of Long-term Unemployment - [Comment]Who or what's a Bernake?
Victory For Murkowski - [Comment]What or who is a Murkowski?
Abbreviations and names are the worse offenders. Unless it's an internationally used abbreviation (such as IATA/ICAO codes) or an internationally known person (Obama, Clinton and maybe Beliden, would be about it for USA government persons) they should be avoided, or if you must use them for space reasons explain them in the first post.
That's what I was on about CharlieNoble! [Happy now you've provoked the whole tirade? ]