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Singapore Air Expansion Possibilities  
User currently offlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 2360 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14398 times:

Currently Singapore Airlines has 11 777-300s (old config 332 (18/49/265)) doing a daily Shanghai flight (SQ830/833), and 7x daily Jakarta. It feels like the majority of this fleet is in the process of getting updated to the new config (284 (8/50/226)).

There is one plane in the new config, doing a daily Delhi flight (SQ407/408). When the rest of the 777-300s are done, (I am guessing Jakarta will take 4 planes?) there will be 7 free 777-300s.

My guess for 777-300s:
7x daily Jakarta
daily Delhi (SQ407/408)
daily Shanghai (SQ830/833) currently 777-300 (old config)
daily Melbourne (SQ228/237) currently 747-400
daily Auckland (SQ285/286) currently 777-300ER
daily Beijing (SQ802/805) currently 777-300ER
daily Hong Kong (SQ860/863) currently 777-300ER
daily Melbourne (SQ217/218) currently 777-300ER
daily Mumbai (SQ423/424) currently 777-300ER

This would free up 5 777-300ERs for new routes

There will also soon be 6 additional A380s coming soon (all current routes + new LAX take up ~12 planes).

Any ideas for 5 777-300ERs and 6 A380s?

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User currently offlineash185 From New Zealand, joined Apr 2009, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

Well there has been talk on the net that SQ may introduce the A380 to AKL on SQ285/286...i think it was sometime towards the end of 2011.

User currently offlineLuxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 504 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14177 times:

Europe is covered quite good, but is there any destination which would have a chance?

User currently offlineflynorth From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14026 times:

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 2):
Europe is covered quite good, but is there any destination which would have a chance?

Not a new destination and maybe not a candidate for an A380 or B773ER, but CPH could be a candidate for higher frequencies. It is only served thrice weekly at the moment with a B772. QR has very successfully recently moved in at CPH with (soon) daily A330 + rumours has it that EK is moving in with daily A332, indicating strong demand going east from Scandinavia.

SQ also recently announced code-share with SK on their SIN flight ( feeding from OSL and ARN), which should accomodate for some growth. Time for some SQ expansion at CPH!


User currently offlinebritannia25 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14018 times:

Not to be picky but can the 773 (non er) make SIN-AKL?

Just out of interest how is MAN-MUC-SIN doing?

Thanks  


User currently offlineSQuared From Canada, joined May 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14008 times:

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 2):
Europe is covered quite good, but is there any destination which would have a chance?

Perhaps VIE could return with an OS codeshare.

There have been rumours on another site about a SIN-TPE-JFK-FRA-SIN routing with 77W - That would certainly be interesting! But not sure how much weight to put on such a rumour.


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13876 times:

Quoting SQuared (Reply 5):
There have been rumours on another site about a SIN-TPE-JFK-FRA-SIN routing with 77W - That would certainly be interesting! But not sure how much weight to put on such a rumour.

TPE-JFK sounds like a horrible idea - I feel like Eva has that market down with their flight to EWR and isn't Taiwan an notoriously low yielding market? I mean...SQ axed their TPE-LAX flights, and with JFK being that much further, I'd say it's that much more of a challenge to make the flight profitable.



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User currently offlineash185 From New Zealand, joined Apr 2009, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13734 times:

Quoting britannia25 (Reply 4):
Not to be picky but can the 773 (non er) make SIN-AKL?

The 773 have made a few trips to AKL in the past as a replacement aircraft to the 744


User currently offlineManekS From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12823 times:

FRA still needs the A380. Maybe LHR will get that third daily.

User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12591 times:

I was under the impression that MEL was potentially going to double daily A380, in an effort to block AI from making dent in the market althugh the date for their arrival has come and gone maybe this plane has changed. Long term would a SQ A330 (Long term being ten or so year) work two to three time a week out of CBR? I believe QR has some of the government contract can't remember their conditions though, QF route everything via SYD or MEL, wold a nonstop service from SQ be viable in ten years time?

User currently offlineSenliture From Australia, joined May 2000, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11948 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
Long term would a SQ A330 (Long term being ten or so year) work two to three time a week out of CBR?

I doubt CBR will have any sufficient traffic to do so. Furthermore, CBR is not a licensed international airport in Australia.

I would guess SQ will take more towards S American or African route instead of Oceania


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11848 times:

They need up to 30 A 380s I think.

They have ordered 19 A 380s (firm orders) and 6 options (Guess they will exercise them of course)


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2955 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11825 times:

Does SQ has any plans of adding additional frequencies to BOM and DEL? It looks to me that SQ are interested in going 17-18 weekly each to BOM, DEL as and when their A333s can be put to use there.


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User currently offlineManekS From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11702 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 12):
Does SQ has any plans of adding additional frequencies to BOM and DEL? It looks to me that SQ are interested in going 17-18 weekly each to BOM, DEL as and when their A333s can be put to use there.

DEL maybe, but I don't think BOM will as there's much more competition from BOM (IT, 9W, AI, QF) than from DEL (9W, AI). I think they need to reintroduce the daytime flight to BLR. MI's A320's are just not big enough .. its pretty much impossible to get a seat on this route during peak season. If SQ doesn't, IT should.


User currently offlinenicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11562 times:

Reconfig for the remaining 6 773s is dead in the water  

Either way, a couple of 773s are leaving the fleet in the next financial year.



[Edited 2010-12-04 00:27:19]

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2844 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11485 times:

Just a few ideas I have  

ARN - Tie in the SAS hub, connect Scandinavians to/from Bali, Phuket, Australia, etc.
BAH
BRU - Now a Star Alliance hub, with connectivity to many European airports...
CNS
CTS - With connecting traffic from Australia, it might just work!
DRW - SilkAir?
GVA
IAD
IKA - Crazy I know, but they could connect people to/from Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. Plus, there must be some kind of business/tourism ties between Singapore and Iran, right?
MAD
MCT
NBO - Not all that far (geographically) from SIN, and would serve as a perfect gateway to all of East Africa (ADD, DAR, etc.).
OOL
ORD - Maybe SQ can agree to work with the "new" UA to make this one work
PRG
PUS - If DL can make it work, why not SQ? Surely there's enough business, trade, and tourism between these large cities...
SEA - YVR worked for all those years. Maybe SEA would fare a bit better, and get more than a few of those loyal Vancouverites!
TLV
YYZ - If Canada would ever give them traffic rights!



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User currently offlineflynorth From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11398 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 15):
ARN - Tie in the SAS hub, connect Scandinavians to/from Bali, Phuket, Australia, etc.

CPH is the main SK hub. SQ recently started codesharing with SK for their thrice weekly SIN B772 route, hence my suggestion above for upped frequency on that route.

Any SQ person with insights on loads on that route and possible plans to increase?


User currently offlinemgmacius From Poland, joined Jun 2007, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11081 times:

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 2):
Europe is covered quite good, but is there any destination which would have a chance?

Yeah, especially Warsaw :/ But there is no chance in hell for such a route (WAW-SIN for example). Pity!



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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 997 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11052 times:

Quoting flynorth (Reply 16):
CPH is the main SK hub. SQ recently started codesharing with SK for their thrice weekly SIN B772 route, hence my suggestion above for upped frequency on that route.

Right. With the recently made agreement on codesharing on flights out of CPH, which also involves SQ numbered flights on the ARN-CPH segment, I doubt ARN would be a target.

However, I think the agreement should increase demand on the CPH-SIN segment, which would allow for an increase in frequencies. Loads are supposedly very good on this route, but of course QR are slowly breaking into SQ's share of passengers especially on destinations beyond Singapore (ie MEL, MNL, CEB, CGK, DPS and to some extend KUL). Qatar Airways recently upgraded to a 332 and will go 6 weekly in January or February. As far as I know QR doesn't have as good a partner in Scandinavia to feed passengers (if they have any at all), which gives SQ a major benefit. SQ has the benefit of having many loyal SK *A-members as well especially higher yielding pax.

With the rumor of EK arriving into CPH as well, I guess it's up to SQ defend its position. Either take up the fight or leave. SQ are in a position to get the higher yielding pax while the Middle Eastern carriers will provide good airfare for the leisure pax. I hope SQ sees a good business in staying in CPH.



Future flights: CPH-BRU-CPHx2; CPH-BKK-MNL; MNL-GUM-HNL-LAX
User currently offlinecyxuk From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9475 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 15):
YYZ - If Canada would ever give them traffic rights!

or YVR with AC codeshare to YYZ


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 711 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9384 times:
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Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 18):
SQ are in a position to get the higher yielding pax while the Middle Eastern carriers will provide good airfare for the leisure pax. I hope SQ sees a good business in staying in CPH.

Agree with you here and I would love to see SQ use a 777-300ER on the SIN-CPH run with increased frequencizes to say 5, 6 times a week   

Then SQ would really be an alternative for me when flying to south east asia.

Cheers
Stein



2-3-2 is NOT a premium configuration
User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8185 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8641 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Any ideas for 5 777-300ERs and 6 A380s?

Use them replace the old 744's as they leave the fleet.
So the short answer is: Where the 744's fly today. I really don't expect much of and European or US expansion before the A350/787 start arriving.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8470 times:

Already the 777-300 are a regular visitor at AMS (though not scheduled), thus I would think that SQ will schedule the 77W one day on AMS-SIN

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8408 times:

All these ideas are lovely but it is my view that the current CEO has left the airline intensely capacity constrained. Fleet planning has been extremely poor although the Koito seats, B787 and potential A350 issues are acknowledged. More B77Ws would certainly have been useful.


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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8371 times:

As much as I would love to see pax SQ come back to ORD (esp A380 service) I do not see it. I believe when they were there in the 90's with some sort of 777 doing ORD-AMS-SIN it did not last all that long. ORD-SIN too long nonstop, they would need some intermediate stop either Europe or northern Asia, most cities that could be a commercially viable are covered already. They could maybe add another ORD-HKG-SIN like UA has, that flight is always packed i have heard. Possibly ORD-DME-SIN, but then again any ORD-DME service has failed. Maybe ORD-CAN-SIN?

25 sunrisevalley : Canada has a bilateral agreement with Singapore. SQ is one of the designated carriers. I assume SQ has never exercised it's rights. Believe AC did fo
26 yellowtail : Would be a great route....And they already fly there (SQ Cargo) so they know the territory WEll SQ does do IAH-DME-SIN...and after struggling for a y
27 GlobalCabotage : SQ will be back at ORD some day, but not via AMS (filled Y, but yield to AMS stink). Since AA / CX seem inept to start ORD-HKG, SQ would compliment UA
28 Pbb152 : SQ went daily to IAH on November 1st.
29 timberwolf24 : Back in early 2007 (when I was the air department manager for a tour operator) I had a very candied conversation with a SQ sales regarding SQ and ORD
30 Docpepz : There is "open skies" between Singapore and Canada under the existing ASA - but only for non-stop flights between the two countries. The reason Canad
31 airbazar : ADD makes more sense than NBO, as it is a *A hub.
32 flyinghippo : TPE - LAX is served by CI and BR 2-3 times daily depending on which day of the week it is, so the market is already pretty saturated. Both BR and CI
33 SR4ever : A few ideas for the EMEA region... DUB (77E/359 SQ/BD via MAN at a first stage - nonstop SIN-MAN-, or 77W via AMS, or 789/359 via CPH, then 789 nonst
34 SR4ever : As far as current EMEA destinations, one may reasonably expect - AUH: from 1-daily 333 (partly extending to KWI) to 1-daily 789 (no more extension) -
35 LOT767SP-LPA : I think, SIN-WAW-CPH-SIN would work quite good like route SIN-MUC-MAN-SIN which is well. Start with 3-4 weekly flights with B77W
36 Asiaflyer : Plenty of good suggestions in the posts above. SQ mainline only flies to 3 cities in China, PVG, PEK and CAN. As China further develops and internatio
37 Post contains images huaiwei : But ADD is real small compared to NBO, and SQ has consistently shown they do not care much about *A hubs when selecting their next destinations. Actu
38 Ex_SQer : Not quite. For passenger services: MI destinations that have never been operated by SQ: Chengdu, Kunming, Xiamen, Chongqing, Fuzhou (discontinued). C
39 Post contains images Ex_SQer : I've seen quite a few posts from you on fleet requirements (primarily focusing on number of aircraft needed) based on flight frequencies. One also ne
40 Post contains images frigatebird : Never seen any. Doubt very much if the 773 has the legs anyway. The 77W has less seats than the (2-class) 77E, and with low premium demand for AMS I
41 lalib : SQ who used to fly to Karachi and Lahore should get back to it and this time do it properly serving each destination independently and not SIN - KHI -
42 Coal : ADD is more likely given ET They already serve CTU via MI, and with CA also on the route, I doubt they will serve it with mainline. In that area I wo
43 ojas : SQ, LH stopped services to Pakistan more due to the apprehension of crew layovers there. Otherwise SQ, LH are more than willing to serve to all the 3
44 lalib : ojas - Understand what you mean but in my original post when I said SQ should...."do it properly" I meant that the crew do not need to 'layover" in P
45 UA772IAD : Chicago and Washington, D.C. are two major markets that are gaping holes in the SQ network. I could see SQ entering ORD thru Asia, either China or Hon
46 ManekS : Both are served by UA via HKG and NRT respectively. However, I think ORD may be able to support another flight (on either SQ or AA)
47 UA772IAD : So is SFO-HKG and SFO-ICN. NH also flies NRT-IAD alongside UA. I still think SQ could serve both markets o theri own and still compliment UA/Star All
48 ojas : Yes, but the distance to SIN from KHI is too much for the crew to do a turnaround and exceeds their FDTL. No one wants to do a 6.5 hr flight turnarou
49 Ex_SQer : They do have the rights. Up till c.1996 or so they flew SIN-KHI-DXB using the 743. Awful yields IIRC.
50 GlobalCabotage : SQ can add ORD-SIN nonstop or go via ICN/TPE/KIX/NGO or some other city that does not have UA service. ICN has OZ, but departure time is around midnig
51 UA772IAD : Wow, that would be an interesting one! SIN-ORD. I don't know if there is enough demand for it though, and I don't know if SQ would want to have anoth
52 timberwolf24 : Read my post, #29, that will explain (as what was told to me) why ORD-SIN via Europe did not and will not work. With CX having announced service to O
53 United Airline : Do they have plans to reinstate LAS, YVR, YYZ etc?
54 SR4ever : OSL, GVA and VIE are in my view the best candidates: - Star airports, so code-sharing available (SQ/SK, SQ/LX, SQ/OS) - Currently no direct flights t
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