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Delta To Fly 757-200 On ABQ-MSP Effective May 2011  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6579 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8752 times:

Looking at the latest schedules, in May 2011, it looks like for the very first time, DL will fly the 757-200 on ABQ-MSP.

Interestingly, the aircraft is a PMDL (non-AVOD) aircraft, rather than a PMNW aircraft. I wonder what was the reason for that. At least the route will have overhead IFE rather than no IFE at all like on most PMNW domestic 752s.

Also, ABQ-ATL goes 3x PMDL (non-AVOD) 752 around the same time.

DL is generally the only airline to fly the 752 into ABQ, although UA occasionally rotates 752s on ABQ-DEN. It is very interesting that DL will fly ABQ-MSP in addition to ABQ-ATL on a 752.


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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8670 times:

I know that DL flys the 757 from ABQ-ATL during the summer months, then switches back to the MD-88 furing the fall. Will this be the same for the ABQ-MSP? Normally during the summer DL has 757 departures to ATL about 2 hrs apart.


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6579 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8645 times:

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 1):
I know that DL flys the 757 from ABQ-ATL during the summer months, then switches back to the MD-88 furing the fall. Will this be the same for the ABQ-MSP? Normally during the summer DL has 757 departures to ATL about 2 hrs apart.

So far, the latest schedules only go up to mid-June; schedules shown beyond that time are simply dummy schedules. However, it is quite likely that ABQ-MSP will likey go to a smaller aircraft in the fall of 2011, probably an A320, MD-88/90, or 738.



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User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8614 times:

I wouldn't hold your breath... DL will change the schedule a thousand times between now and May. PMNW a/c can be found on many PMDL routes. It's a moot point to continuously divide the fleet... it is one airline with one fleet.

[Edited 2010-12-04 16:21:45]

User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8593 times:

It will be nice to see more 757's in ABQ. We dont get many, thats for sure.


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8481 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Interestingly, the aircraft is a PMDL (non-AVOD) aircraft, rather than a PMNW aircraft. I wonder what was the reason for that. At least the route will have overhead IFE rather than no IFE at all like



At this point in the game, it's not a big deal and very common. Many, many 5000 757s flying out of ATL with 600 757s flying out of DTW and MSP. Just from how i've seen them schedule, whether it's a former NW 757 or DL 757 doesn't make a difference. The routes that warrant AVOD will get it but anything outside of that is fair game.



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User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8406 times:

Not really a surprise. Back in the heyday of the CVG hub, DL flew ABQ-CVG with a 752. As I recall, it survived like that for quite a few rounds of cuts, before getting reduced to the MD88 and then finally dropped altogether.

User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8383 times:

How will the routing work if it is approved? Will it go ATL-ABQ-MSP-ABQ-ATL or some other combination? Thats a lot of aircraft to maintain the 3x daily ABQ-ATL.


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6579 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8353 times:

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 4):
It will be nice to see more 757's in ABQ. We dont get many, thats for sure.

I actually think that during the Balloon Fiesta, DL could probably fill a 753. However, that still doesn't compare with the L-1011s that TWA once flew on ABQ-STL. FYI, I flew on a DL 727 when I moved to the Albuquerque area.



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1968 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8270 times:

I'd imagine this up-gauge is a way to compensate for slimming the route from 2X to 1X daily. Nice to see a 757 added to MSP though. Haven't been many of those lately.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8018 times:

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 7):
How will the routing work if it is approved? Will it go ATL-ABQ-MSP-ABQ-ATL or some other combination? Thats a lot of aircraft to maintain the 3x daily ABQ-ATL.



Approved? DL could upgauge tomorrow if they wanted to. There's no approval process. I don't foresee a specific a/c routing. MTC work on 5000 757s and PMDL 757s is now done across the system. There is no need to get the a/c to a specific station. Line MTC on PMNW a/c is done in ATL all the time. As far as the flight # goes, who know.s It may very well just be ABQ-MSP or something else tagged on on one end.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7907 times:

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 3):
I wouldn't hold your breath... DL will change the schedule a thousand times between now and May. PMNW a/c can be found on many PMDL routes. It's a moot point to continuously divide the fleet... it is one airline with one fleet.

   It's WAY too early to be counting on anything seen today in a DL schedule for next May or June! Frequency, times and a/c will indeed change many, many times between early December (now) and the middle of next year (then).

bb


User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 850 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7640 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 9):
I'd imagine this up-gauge is a way to compensate for slimming the route from 2X to 1X daily.

I wonder why DL is trimming MSP-ABQ down to once daily? NW flew that route twice daily for many years. Maybe DL is going to announce service to another hub city from ABQ. I know the airport director has been pushing for a flight to DTW.



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User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6916 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
whether it's a former NW 757 or DL 757 doesn't make a difference.



I beg to differ!

Operationally it may not make a difference, but it can to the customers!

Some PMNW's have the unusual configuration with 2 small rows of coach ahead of the R2 door, which cuts down on the "F" section.

Not only does this cause confusion on boarding, but also grief when an equipment swap occurs. Also, the FF's hoping for an upgrade are not so happy due to the smaller "F"! (Rumour is that there lot of grumbling in JAX now that PMNW 757's are very common as there is a very high ratio of High Level FF members there).



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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6666 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
Quoting azjubilee (Reply 3):
I wouldn't hold your breath... DL will change the schedule a thousand times between now and May. PMNW a/c can be found on many PMDL routes. It's a moot point to continuously divide the fleet... it is one airline with one fleet.

It's WAY too early to be counting on anything seen today in a DL schedule for next May or June! Frequency, times and a/c will indeed change many, many times between early December (now) and the middle of next year (then).

The ABQ-ATL 757 has been happening for atleast the last three years, so I dont see that one going away anytime soon. Heck the 757 that comes in at 9:30 is pretty full.

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 12):
I wonder why DL is trimming MSP-ABQ down to once daily? NW flew that route twice daily for many years.

They have been flying it once daily for the last few years now. The MSP-ABQ arrives @ 1:30pm then the ABQ-MSP departs at 2:10pm, and that's it. By upgrading to the 757 they are adding a lot of capaicty compared to the current A320.



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User currently offlinen9801f From Samoa, joined Apr 2004, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6615 times:

Quoting skymiler (Reply 13):
Operationally it may not make a difference, but it can to the customers!

Sure, of course.

DL probably tries to save the "best" planes for the most-competitive routes. Places like ABQ and JAX make good places to use the less attractive aircraft because they are less intensely competitive than routes with lots of jetBlue competitition, etc.

And there are other signs that DL prioritizes ABQ as a less-competitive market. For instance, the ABQ-MSP flight, which for years left at a civilized hour, was recently retimed to 0600.

Despite it all, as mentioned above, it's great to see the 757's back in ABQ. In the heydays of the -90's, AA, DL, UA, HP, US, and even EA (ok, -80's) flew 757's there - some more consistenttly than others. And TW managed to get up to 2x daily L-1011's.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5971 times:

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 14):
The ABQ-ATL 757 has been happening for atleast the last three years, so I dont see that one going away anytime soon. Heck the 757 that comes in at 9:30 is pretty full.

That may be true. The point is, it is too early for a thread speculating about next summer's schedules (anywhere) on Delta based on what is showing right now. Do you folks remember this past June schedule? It wasn't finalized until just a few weeks before its effective date; frequency, times and especially equipment kept changing right up to the last minute.

But a great part of A.net is all about speculation (of all kinds) so go for it! Just keep in mind that with Delta, history is really all there is to base this discussion on...

bb


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5954 times:

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 14):
They have been flying it once daily for the last few years now. The MSP-ABQ arrives @ 1:30pm then the ABQ-MSP departs at 2:10pm, and that's it. By upgrading to the 757 they are adding a lot of capaicty compared to the current A320.

It's been 2x daily from NW for quite sometime, with seasonal downguage to 1x daily.



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User currently offlinerampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

Frankly, I wish DL would bring back scheduled 757s to IND.

User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 850 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4838 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 17):
It's been 2x daily from NW for quite sometime, with seasonal downguage to 1x daily.

Right. MSP-ABQ is usually downgraded to 1x daily during January and February, and then it is flown 2x daily for the rest of the year.



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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 19):
Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 17):
It's been 2x daily from NW for quite sometime, with seasonal downguage to 1x daily.

Right. MSP-ABQ is usually downgraded to 1x daily during January and February, and then it is flown 2x daily for the rest of the year.

Doing a search of flight from MSP-ABQ turns up one flight, DL1475. It departs at 11:30am from MSP and arrived in ABQ at 1:30pm in ABQ. I am only talking about direct flight, non stop. This search was done on the Delta website. Am I missing something?



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6579 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

Also, NW sometimes flew the A319 instead of the A320 on ABQ-MSP during times of lower demand.

I really wonder though if an ABQ-DTW route is in the works.



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 20):
Doing a search of flight from MSP-ABQ turns up one flight, DL1475. It departs at 11:30am from MSP and arrived in ABQ at 1:30pm in ABQ. I am only talking about direct flight, non stop. This search was done on the Delta website. Am I missing something?

That DL's winter schedule was a lot different then NW's and NW's summer schedule ran longer than DL's. So currently it is 1x but even this summer it was 2x.


Also according to TravelNet, the summer MSP ABQ is scheduled for 2 daily 320's. The last day for the 757 is June 8 and is only for the month of may and until june.

[Edited 2010-12-06 10:30:19]


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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7659 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

I know there are some avid-ABQ a.net fans on here, but this one particular equipment change on one particular route really isn't worth getting too terribly excited over. I mean, DL flies MSP-ABQ now, and you guys do see 757s out there now.

Delta runs very sophisticated models to allocate capacity and aircraft to a particular route. Advance schedules will often change frequently as they adjust capacity and fleet availabilty when it is closer to the locked schedule period.

It is very common to see frequency and equipment changes year over year. Even more so at DL now post-merger with the multitude of hubs and different equipment types they can use to serve a market.

What you see now may not be what you end up with by the time May rolls around.

I booked an upcoming DTW-DEN trip way back in June. This flight went from A320 -> 73H -> A319 -> A320 -> 757
For a period there back in August, every week I was seeing a schedule / equipment change.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6663 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 23):
What you see now may not be what you end up with by the time May rolls around.

So true. I'm willing to bet that ABQ-ATL will be a 757 by the summer, but before that you'll see it be changed from a 757 to a 738, to an M90, to a 320, and back to a 757 before it's all said and done. I wouldn't even trust the schedules for march and april on delta.com just yet. They flip flop so much ahead of time that it's not worth counting on anything. Take EWR-ATL for example in may. 10 out of 11 flights are on M88s which for delta standards is darn near impossible to take seriously 5 months ahead of time. Like any other city, I'd expect some significant tweaks before the summer.



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25 B727LVR : Talk about pulling the carpet out from under our feet, haha. We know as well as anyone that equipment changes arent final until we see the aircraft h
26 1337Delta764 : That is definitely true for Southwest, however, DL doesn't fly the 738 very often into ABQ, usually the MD-88 is used in the off-season, although DL
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