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Condor Airlines Orders 30 A320s  
User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12492 times:

ATW reports that Condor Airlines is ordering 30 A320 family aircraft to replace 13 757-300s and 12 A320s older versions.
The 30 A320s is scheduled to be delivered between 2012 and 2017.

http://atwonline.com/news/other-headlines/

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User currently offlineEaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12385 times:

Quoting Chiad (Thread starter):
ATW reports that Condor Airlines is ordering 30 A320 family aircraft to replace 13 757-300s and 12 A320s older versions.

Are they getting rid of their B753's anytime soon?


User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12344 times:

Maybe Delta is interested in the 753s they are not old..

User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12169 times:

A320 to replace a 757-300? Really hmmm..

User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1334 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11985 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 3):
A320 to replace a 757-300? Really hmmm..

I would assume they would be A321 (NEO?) a/c, rather than A320. Still a bit smaller than the 753, though.


User currently offlineegnr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11784 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 2):
Maybe Delta is interested in the 753s they are not old..

Condor's B753s have RR engines, whereas all of DL's B752 and B753s have Pratt & Whitney engines. Maybe CO will take a look at them instead?



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User currently offlineraggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11506 times:

Quoting egnr (Reply 5):
Condor's B753s have RR engines, whereas all of DL's B752 and B753s have Pratt & Whitney engines. Maybe CO will take a look at them instead?

You mean United?   


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User currently offlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11281 times:

I expect UA will eventually become the exclusive operator of all RR-powered 757-300s.


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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4267 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11242 times:

This order can include anything incl A319 and A321 I would say. The 321 would be a good replacement for the 757-300s, but it's a shame to see them leaving the European skies. Now only Thomas Cook UK keep operating just 2 of this type  


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User currently offlineocracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 681 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11242 times:

Quoting egnr (Reply 5):
Condor's B753s have RR engines, whereas all of DL's B752 and B753s have Pratt & Whitney engines. Maybe CO will take a look at them instead?

???

Half of DL's 777 have the RR, while the other half have GE.

Some of DL's 767 have P&W, while the other portion have GE.

I don't think engine choice matters much to DL. IF they want more 757-300, it wont matter to them what engine hangs from the wings.


User currently offlineegnr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11219 times:

Quoting raggi (Reply 6):
You mean United?

Of course! All these mergers, hard to keep track of who's who now   



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User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11003 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 8):
Now only Thomas Cook UK keep operating just 2 of this type

They won't keep them as well. Thomas Cook as a hole is looking for fleet simplification. They will get busses like Condor.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10421 times:

Quoting ocracoke (Reply 9):
Half of DL's 777 have the RR, while the other half have GE.

Some of DL's 767 have P&W, while the other portion have GE.

But NONE of their fleet operates with RB-211's. So that would be an entire setup of spares and training, just for 15 airplanes.
I suspect CO/UA will snap them up in a New York minute.
I am surprised, however, to see Condor letting them go- except for nightmarish turn times, they're one of the lowest-cost airliners available.


User currently offlineocracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 681 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8913 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 12):
But NONE of their fleet operates with RB-211's. So that would be an entire setup of spares and training, just for 15 airplanes.

Again, ???? So?

The only RR's in DL's fleet right now are those hanging off of seven 77E. A whopping sub-fleet of 7. Yet they seem to keep an entire setup of spares and training for those RRs. For years, they flew a 13 aircraft fleet of MD90s, all with different engines than anything else in their system. 15 new engine typed aircraft would actually be a bigger sub fleet. If DL really wants those birds, a different engine is not going to stop them. They already specialize in overhauling many different engine types for different airlines/military from around the world.


User currently offlinebrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8491 times:

I guess the efficiency benefits of the NEO and commonality with the rest of the A320 fleet make this move logical.

The B757 is by far one of the best looking planes! Sad to see any go.



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User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1241 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8448 times:

An important order.
Thomas Cook and Condor is large and will replace their longhaul fleet in 2011.

With all of the group opting for the Airbus A320 family I would assume that Airbus have the inside track for the widebodies.

The 757:s and 767:s are disappearing from European skies at a rather fast pace. the charter airlines were large operators of these planes and all will now replace them. Sad to see the 757 go. They are a welcome change to the A320, A330 and 777 that seems to be the models of choice in Europe.



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8304 times:

So will Thomas Cook and Condor go the safe path to replace the 767s with A332s, or the risky to go to 788 - which promises a large benefit? Many of their destinations can hardly handle any larger aircraft, they do not need the range of the A358, A359 might be too big, so I always expect them to be the major 788 operator in Central Europe, and to take over the long range activities of Air Berlin, maybe also their 788 slots.

User currently offlinethediplomat From Ireland, joined Jun 2006, 382 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8255 times:

Condor tried to sell their 757s after 911, and were not successful, so offloaded their 752's/

Continued 757-300 Operation By Thomas Cook (by Orion737 Jul 20 2005 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1183 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8162 times:

Quoting ocracoke (Reply 13):
They already specialize in overhauling many different engine types for different airlines/military from around the world.

Bingo. Delta TechOps doesn't just service their own airplanes, they have dozens of customers from all over the world, so adding a new subfleet with new engines is just another drop in the bucket. My guess is they already have parts for, and service RB-211s anyway (obviously don't quote me on this, I don't pretend to be an expert). If DL were more streamlined and only had less than 4 or 5 engine types/families (and Delta TechOps didn't service anyone/anything else), then adding something new for 15 aircraft or less wouldn't make sense. But this isn't the case. If DL wants the airplanes, the only thing engine related that matters to them is that they aren't missing/on fire/turboprops.



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User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8125 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 8):
The 321 would be a good replacement for the 757-300s, but it's a shame to see them leaving the European skies. Now only Thomas Cook UK keep operating just 2 of this type  

Capacity - range wise it is a poor replacement. E.g. a 767-200 would be better. But obviously there are other considerations.

http://www8.thomascook.info/tck/downloads/1575x1046_Condor_Willi_Seitenansicht.jpg


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7814 times:

Sad to see the 753's go, they're a rather rare and exotic sight in Europe. However, the A321 is a downgrade in capacity from the 753. Assuming 200 PAX 1-class, that's 50 seats less in Condor configuration, 80 seats less in Thomas Cook configuration, which is quite considerable! So are we seeing a shift in fleet strategy to concentrate around A320/A321 + a widebody type TBD (A330, 788?), eliminating the middle segment currently covered by the 753?

Quoting brightcedars (Reply 14):
I guess the efficiency benefits of the NEO and commonality with the rest of the A320 fleet make this move logical.

If the delivery dates are 2012-2017 they won't be NEO's, which will enter service in 2016 (assuming no delays). I can expect them to have winglets though, particularly the A321.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7755 times:

Condor flies very few short segments, many 1.5 to 3 hours, so winglets make sense.

User currently offlineLPSHobby From Brazil, joined May 2007, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7434 times:
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strange that everyone is ordering A332 or 788s to replace their 763 and Condor has done nothing until now. Are they still satisfied with their 767s in their route structure/model business?

User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7265 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 19):
Capacity - range wise it is a poor replacement. E.g. a 767-200 would be better. But obviously there are other considerations.

I still see the 787-8 with Condor in the longterm

Quoting LPSHobby (Reply 23):
strange that everyone is ordering A332 or 788s to replace their 763 and Condor has done nothing until now. Are they still satisfied with their 767s in their route structure/model business?

I believe a long-haul decision is planned for 2011 but I am not 100% sure. The 767 did receive a new interior and winglets.

[Edited 2010-12-06 04:42:34]


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

Thats quite surprising that they are selling the 753, though this plane, nicknamed "langes Elend" (long misery), was never a favorite with passengers.

Quoting raggi (Reply 6):
You mean United?

Any reason why UA should take them beyond the mere fact that they have inherited some of those flying rarities from CO? Maybe they´ll sell them alltogether in the not to far future.


25 aerokiwi : Interesting. Why is that? It's the same width as the 757-200, bhut longer so is it the boarding/deplaning process?
26 thediplomat : No surprise at all. They tried to sell this aircraft about seven years ago without success. CO knew that Condor didnt want these aircraft, so could h
27 Post contains images TheSonntag : Well, another name for it is "Angströhre" (fear - tube). Bear in mind that Condor in the old day was the charter carrier of Lufthansa, and nowadays
28 AAMDanny : Well, any airline could take the 753's, all the flight deck crew need to do is complete a differences rating from the B752 too the B753. They still ha
29 328JET : Maybe Lufthansa is buying the B753s this time?
30 Post contains images columba : Doubtful but I would love to see some more Boeings wearing LH colors
31 B735 : Don't forget that Icelandair operates a single 753...
32 aerokiwi : Yeah, but seven years ago - differnt time, different market. Evidently they managed over the past 7 years. Righto so it has no actual basis in fact.
33 BALandorLivery : Thomas Cook GROUP announced on Dec 1st that they were going to order airbus. They are going for A321's mainly. That includes Condor Thomas Cook A/S Th
34 Daysleeper : What happened to the Airtours A332's? Didn't they merge or were bought out by Thomas Cook?
35 airsmiles : This is what their interim financial statement said on 1st December. Only specifically mentions 12 a/c, so these are necessarily replcements for Condo
36 CRJ900 : Will anyone want the B753s by the time they are retired in 2014, though? They were delivered in 1999-2000 and will be 14-15 years old and have MANY f
37 Post contains images BasilFawlty : Which LCC's for example? Most of them order brand new planes. It's more likely that they will end up in Russia.
38 Post contains images 328JET : As i would as well. It would be a nice stop-gap for LH on european trunk routes until a new small widebody enters the market. The combined CFG/TCX-fl
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