airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4402 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12344 times:
This order can include anything incl A319 and A321 I would say. The 321 would be a good replacement for the 757-300s, but it's a shame to see them leaving the European skies. Now only Thomas Cook UK keep operating just 2 of this type
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AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6290 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11523 times:
Quoting ocracoke (Reply 9): Half of DL's 777 have the RR, while the other half have GE.
Some of DL's 767 have P&W, while the other portion have GE.
But NONE of their fleet operates with RB-211's. So that would be an entire setup of spares and training, just for 15 airplanes.
I suspect CO/UA will snap them up in a New York minute.
I am surprised, however, to see Condor letting them go- except for nightmarish turn times, they're one of the lowest-cost airliners available.
ocracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 709 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10015 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 12): But NONE of their fleet operates with RB-211's. So that would be an entire setup of spares and training, just for 15 airplanes.
Again, ???? So?
The only RR's in DL's fleet right now are those hanging off of seven 77E. A whopping sub-fleet of 7. Yet they seem to keep an entire setup of spares and training for those RRs. For years, they flew a 13 aircraft fleet of MD90s, all with different engines than anything else in their system. 15 new engine typed aircraft would actually be a bigger sub fleet. If DL really wants those birds, a different engine is not going to stop them. They already specialize in overhauling many different engine types for different airlines/military from around the world.
MillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1387 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9550 times:
An important order.
Thomas Cook and Condor is large and will replace their longhaul fleet in 2011.
With all of the group opting for the Airbus A320 family I would assume that Airbus have the inside track for the widebodies.
The 757:s and 767:s are disappearing from European skies at a rather fast pace. the charter airlines were large operators of these planes and all will now replace them. Sad to see the 757 go. They are a welcome change to the A320, A330 and 777 that seems to be the models of choice in Europe.
Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4613 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9406 times:
So will Thomas Cook and Condor go the safe path to replace the 767s with A332s, or the risky to go to 788 - which promises a large benefit? Many of their destinations can hardly handle any larger aircraft, they do not need the range of the A358, A359 might be too big, so I always expect them to be the major 788 operator in Central Europe, and to take over the long range activities of Air Berlin, maybe also their 788 slots.
atcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9264 times:
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Quoting ocracoke (Reply 13): They already specialize in overhauling many different engine types for different airlines/military from around the world.
Bingo. Delta TechOps doesn't just service their own airplanes, they have dozens of customers from all over the world, so adding a new subfleet with new engines is just another drop in the bucket. My guess is they already have parts for, and service RB-211s anyway (obviously don't quote me on this, I don't pretend to be an expert). If DL were more streamlined and only had less than 4 or 5 engine types/families (and Delta TechOps didn't service anyone/anything else), then adding something new for 15 aircraft or less wouldn't make sense. But this isn't the case. If DL wants the airplanes, the only thing engine related that matters to them is that they aren't missing/on fire/turboprops.
r2rho From Spain, joined Feb 2007, 3561 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8916 times:
Sad to see the 753's go, they're a rather rare and exotic sight in Europe. However, the A321 is a downgrade in capacity from the 753. Assuming 200 PAX 1-class, that's 50 seats less in Condor configuration, 80 seats less in Thomas Cook configuration, which is quite considerable! So are we seeing a shift in fleet strategy to concentrate around A320/A321 + a widebody type TBD (A330, 788?), eliminating the middle segment currently covered by the 753?
Quoting brightcedars (Reply 14): I guess the efficiency benefits of the NEO and commonality with the rest of the A320 fleet make this move logical.
If the delivery dates are 2012-2017 they won't be NEO's, which will enter service in 2016 (assuming no delays). I can expect them to have winglets though, particularly the A321.
columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7217 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8367 times:
Quoting keesje (Reply 19): Capacity - range wise it is a poor replacement. E.g. a 767-200 would be better. But obviously there are other considerations.
I still see the 787-8 with Condor in the longterm
Quoting LPSHobby (Reply 23): strange that everyone is ordering A332 or 788s to replace their 763 and Condor has done nothing until now. Are they still satisfied with their 767s in their route structure/model business?
I believe a long-haul decision is planned for 2011 but I am not 100% sure. The 767 did receive a new interior and winglets.
[Edited 2010-12-06 04:42:34]
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong