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Cathay Pacific To Start HKG - ORD In 2011  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 18224 times:

CX will start a daily HKG - ORD service from 1st September 2011

CX 806 HKG - ORD 1145 1345 15 hours
CX 807 ORD - HKG 1525 2000+1 15hrs 35mins

Daily B777-300ER service.

As of now UA flies this route.

Source: Amadeus [Edited 2010-12-05 22:52:32]

[Edited 2010-12-07 11:28:23 by SA7700]


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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 18239 times:

This has been expected and rumored for a long time now! I guess no AA ORD-HKG! But it makes total sense! That's great for ORD!

UAL


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 18119 times:

totally long overdue, but bravo to CX =) finally a top-ranked airline on a major hub-to-hub route

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11642 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 18083 times:

About time. Indeed - long overdue. CX will do well in ORD no doubt - with all the massive amounts of feed in and out. Plus, the additional JFK flights will also bolster CX's already huge presence there. The new AUH and additional YYZ is also interesting.

User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17663 times:

I guess CX has covered major One world hubs in North America : JFK, ORD, LAX. Though I doubt CX would do DFW or MIA.


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17612 times:

Not before time. I am sure they will do well and fills a void for OW. You can now forget about AA starting the route IMHO.

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2873 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 17535 times:

Excellent! I was hoping we could see CX fly this rather than AA  .


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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5911 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17246 times:
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It's great to see CX flying into ORD. It's been a long-time coming for this OneWorld route. Hopefully CX service to DFW isn't too far behind.

User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16993 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 5):
Not before time. I am sure they will do well and fills a void for OW. You can now forget about AA starting the route IMHO.

It does fill the void for OW, but disappointing that yet another potential AA international route goes to a code share partner. From an in flight service perspective, it is probably better that CX fly the route anyways.

If the vast majority of passengers orignated in HKG (or destinations connected through HKG), then I could understand CX serving the route. However, with ORD as an AA hub, the feed and O&D from U.S. side should easily be able to support the flight.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6477 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16961 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 8):
If the vast majority of passengers orignated in HKG (or destinations connected through HKG), then I could understand CX serving the route. However, with ORD as an AA hub, the feed and O&D from U.S. side should easily be able to support the flight.





I would think that regardless of whether it was CX or AA actually doing the flying, the majority of the passengers would come from the HKG side of the flight.


User currently offlinealaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16904 times:

Thats brilliant, its been a long time coming in my books.

Unfortunate that it starts in September, I make a trip through the US on Cathay in July and August, chicago would have offered the best connection. This with the supposed interior update will make the trip even better!

Thank you CX
~Cheers-
~~Kyle H.



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User currently onlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3043 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16749 times:

Wow, its about time CX landed at ORD. Good to see them finally start HKG-ORD.

User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16616 times:

Any news when it will go on sale? I would love to get on the inaugural HKG-ORD flight!

User currently offlineORDFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16470 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 11):
Wow, its about time CX landed at ORD. Good to see them finally start HKG-ORD.

My sentiments, exactly! This is great news - it will certainly provide a worthy (dare I say, better?) alternative to UA. Glad AA was smart enough to realize that CX's product would make for better competition. Have always wanted to fly CX, but since I refuse to connect Stateside, maybe now I'll get my chance.


User currently offlinessides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16460 times:

Well, my hope was that CX would fly DFW-HKG since UA is already on the ORD route, but I can't say this wasn't expected. Hopefully this will work well for CX and OW.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25440 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16323 times:

Cathay's a great airline, and good to see them expand, however the flight timings are not the best for HKG connectivity.

The 8pm HKG arrival does not leave much in the area of regional connections including missing many destinations on Dragonair

I would have thought a midnight'ish departure from ORD and early AM morning arrival back at HKG would be more beneficial.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16284 times:

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 13):
This is great news - it will certainly provide a worthy (dare I say, better?) alternative to UA.

Hmmm ... CX -v- UA. Tough one, that.  

Joking apart, what will UA do now? Does UA have anything that can do this route; I guess they could put one of CO's 777s on the route, if the UA (PW powered) acft couldn't do it without unacceptable load limitations. (Maybe they could - can anyone confirm?)

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
I would have thought a midnight'ish departure from ORD and early AM morning arrival back at HKG would be more beneficial.

It may be intended primarily for connections to/from US cities, rather than those in Asia. And remember also that this is "early days"; who would ever have thought that CX would be going to JFK FOUR TIMES A DAY! We will probably see an increase in this route within a year or two and maybe the next flight would be better timed for Asian connections.

Was CX also supposed to be announcing its new product line today?


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16271 times:

Great news for ORD! I assume AA will code-share on this route, has that been confirmed? OneWorld is definately (and finally) stepping up to the plate from all corners of their globe...glad to hear...

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5970 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16246 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 16):
Joking apart, what will UA do now? Does UA have anything that can do this route; I guess they could put one of CO's 777s on the route, if the UA (PW powered) acft couldn't do it without unacceptable load limitations. (Maybe they could - can anyone confirm?)

I'm not sure what you mean by that...UA already operates a daily PW powered 744 flight non-stop on this route.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6477 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16215 times:

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 13):
Glad AA was smart enough to realize that CX's product would make for better competition




What makes you so sure that AA had anything to say about it?


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16093 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 18):
Quoting kaitak (Reply 16):
Joking apart, what will UA do now? Does UA have anything that can do this route; I guess they could put one of CO's 777s on the route, if the UA (PW powered) acft couldn't do it without unacceptable load limitations. (Maybe they could - can anyone confirm?)

I'm not sure what you mean by that...UA already operates a daily PW powered 744 flight non-stop on this route.

Sorry, didn't explain myself very well; I meant to say that if as a result of the CX competition, they had to downsize, would they go to UA PW-powered 777s, or bring in CO aircraft?


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16047 times:

Quoting iloveboeing (Reply 20):
HAHAHAHA! UA is probably freaking out now!

I somehow doubt that.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
You know what, I'm sure United will continue to fill their planes just have as they do today and have done so for years against CX at SFO.
There are people that will continue to fly United, regardless of if the product is worse. Either based on cost, or other issues like frequent flyer alliegences, better schedules, connections, etc.

Exactly. My god, you would think that UA did not compete with any other airline.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
Being a little over dramatic aren't we?

Thats the understatement for today.

All that said, I think its great to see CX coming to ORD, but I think its rather sad that AA metal is not flying the route. I doubt they will double up and offer a second daily flight when and if the 787 gets delivered but you never know. With CX adding further flights out of JFK, AA will sure as hell not add capacity there.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15931 times:

UA used to operate JFK-HKG on the 747-400 with a payload restriction, but it was done. I have no doubt that ORD-HKG can be done on the PW Powered 777's. But I don't see any reason to switch. As stated before, Star Alliance members will be funneled onto the UA flight, and OW will be funneled onto the CX flight. Most people don't think about amenities, they think about price, miles, and what's in it for me. WE think differently, and I think WE forget that sometimes. Also, lest you forget, "most Americans" have no idea who Cathay Pacific is. Not that there isn't a market on the other side of the Pacific, but you know what I mean.

UAL


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15905 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
I would have thought a midnight'ish departure from ORD and early AM morning arrival back at HKG would be more beneficial.

I'm sure availability of a/c had everything to do with it...ideal schedules are great, but meaningless if you don't have a plane to fly them. They will have great connections on one side of the flight (ORD) at least...plenty of time to connect to IAH, DFW, DTW, MIA, ATL, MSP and other major cities.


User currently offlinejreuschl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15935 times:

I know EK can carry a little more fuel on some of their 773's that allow them to fly DXB-SFO... that is 8103nm, ORD-HKG is 7793nm. Does CX have this option on any of theirs?

25 qantas744ER : The higher fuel load is not thanks to some EK -300ER's having a larger fuel tank, but simply a higher paper MTOW than the rest of the fleet. However,
26 cloudyapple : Can someone explain to me what this route will add to OW? Where in America (North and South) can one not get to via one of the existing gateways? Peo
27 SW733 : I sat next to a lady doing SFO-HKG-BOM on CX once, so I am sure some people certainly go via HKG to India.
28 ojas : Yes the flights to ORD connect to all CX/KA flights to India (BOM, DEL, MAA, BLR).
29 chopchop767 : While the O&D is certainly a contributor to the route, I'm surprised by the connection time as well. UA's service leaves around noon and is far be
30 mdavies06 : The arrival timing does offer some connections mainly to India and selective few primary cities in the Far East. It is not as good as a redeye arriva
31 laca773 : I bet before CX operates it's first ORD flight will see it's westbound departure time changed to a redeye of some sort.
32 ORDFan : Any word on which terminal they will operate from: T3 or T5? Perhaps too early to know? Personally, would like to see them at T5. I know IB is at T3,
33 flyinghippo : Unless CX adds a second flight to ORD, it doesn't make much sense for a red-eye flight unless they are willing to let their 773ER sit in ORD for 6+ ho
34 ordjoe : Not a minute too soon, I am conflicted as whether I want AA to take this route, getting the status priviliges and upgrades. It will though be nice to
35 WROORD : AA can eventually start a seconf flight with better arrival time in HKG to provide connecting opportunities there.
36 GlobalCabotage : CX likes multiple flights a day to cities (see recent JFK and YYZ additions, not to mention SFO and LAX flights). This flight is timed to connect with
37 United1 : I'm not sure they really need to do much of anything to respond they already have service from HKG-GUM/SFO/ORD/EWR and SIN/SGN of course. That seems
38 TWA902fly : I'm thinking something like this could work, connecting to AA's last flights of the day... I am guessing CX 77W scheduling is tight though, and this
39 USXguy : do the 777's have the HORRIBLE coach seats installed or the new ones?
40 Post contains links B-HOX : All CX's 77W are factory fitted with the economy shell seats http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_INTL/whatonboard/neweconomyclass
41 mogandoCI : You meant miles, not nm i presume. Even NYC-HKG is only 8060 miles.
42 Post contains images dank : In my mind, this is an example f where codesharing is at its best. CX has a much, much better reputation trans-pac than AA does and has the right equ
43 sw733 : Almost 6 hours on the ground is a mighty long time to be earning no revenue whatsoever with a new, expensive plane...CX is an airline well known to u
44 cloudyapple : They could depart Chicago earlier but what about arriving into Hong Kong in the middle of the night? Or else they could arrive into Chicago later and
45 sw733 : Absolutely, it's not the only consideration, but it is a big one. 6 hours is still an awfully long time. When you start running in to long haul flyin
46 chopchop767 : UA 895 departs ORD at 1232 and arrives in Hong Kong at 1805 the following day. From HKG, UA 896 departs at 1135 and arrives at ORD at 1136 the same da
47 sw733 : Looks like tickets are now up and running on CathayPacific.com, but not AA.com...I'm hoping they get up on AA.com soon, I want to try to use my miles
48 Mexicana757 : Asiana does something like this in Chicago; ICN 1850-1640ORD ORD 0100-0600 ICN
49 airbazar : It's equally crappy on the ORD side. Yes, you have connections but the timing is crap. Business pax like to arrive early morning and depart at night.
50 ASA : Not "some" ... many do actually. A friend of mine just did SFO-HKG-DAC the other day. The Bay Area has a huge South Asian population and they use it
51 mdavies06 : 6 hours turnaround for a 15 hours flight is long, but not that long. There are lots of examples of metals that sits on the ground for much longer. Ju
52 wowpeter : If I am not wrong, the reason why UA has such optimal schedule is because UA send their 747 from Hong Kong to Singapore and back once after it arrive
53 yeogeo : Statute Mile and Nautical Mile confusion/transposition is rife on these boards. According to the thread from September “Delta’s 77L Fleet on what
54 fortunerunnner : IMO, most if not all traffic east of rockies fly either US-India non-stops or via Europe or Mid-East hubs. Very little if any US-India traffic from a
55 CX Flyboy : A large aircraft needs TLC, especially longhaul flying. Cabins get a real workout and there are often loose armrests, flickering PTVs etc which need
56 kaitak : I always see them (along with SAA aircraft) in/near the BMI hangar; in fact, the one thing I've never seen in that hangar is a BMI aircraft!
57 ManekS : It's parked 7 hours on the ground overnight here in SIN (from 11 45 PM to 6 45 AM). So is the UA 777 from NRT. I'm assuming its cheaper here than in
58 TWA902fly : It was just an idea, however, It still seems to me that they're more concerned about connections on the ORD end... If you think about it this grants
59 cloudyapple : Don't think it's anything to do with parking charges. Imagine I board at SIN and wants to go to SFO. If the aircraft overnights at HKG that means I a
60 CXA330300 : Glad to see CX adding ORD; I imagine the feed within the US alone and for O/D will provide plenty of passengers-one can get to a lot of the Northeast
61 cloudyapple : That's a 4 hour backtrack. But people do make strange choices when the price is right, like HKG-SIN-LHR which I think is stupid but there are people
62 readytotaxi : Now that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for that.
63 fortunerunnner : I'm willing to bet that there will be negligible amount of traffic destined to these cities that would choose CX and travel via HKG when DEL is direc
64 yellowtail : How long before we see cathay at IAH now?
65 cloudyapple : Now. It's a codeshare pax port and a freighter port.
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