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EK: 787 Problems Slow Development Of 777 Upgrade  
User currently offlinemdword1959 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10935 times:

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Emirates President Tim Clark told ATW he believes the Boeing 787 will be an outstanding aircraft but its current problems are slowing development of a 777-300ER upgrade sought by a number of airlines to meet the challenge of the Airbus A350-1000...
http://atwonline.com/news/other-headlines/

Interesting that Mr. Clark continues publicly pushing on this front despite having a lot on his own plate already.

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User currently offlineebbuk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10791 times:

Dear me, you are not serious are you? What Tim has on his plates is crumbs compared to what Boeing is trying to grapple with (manage is not an apt word at this time). The longer the nightmare of the Dreamliner continues, there will be little progress on 777 upgrade/replacement. Doesn't take a professor to work that one out.

User currently offlinemdword1959 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10415 times:

Quoting ebbuk (Reply 1):
Dear me, you are not serious are you? What Tim has on his plates is crumbs compared to what Boeing is trying to grapple with (manage is not an apt word at this time).

It wasn't my intention to imply that any challenges faced by the respective organizations were of equal magnitude, weight or difficulty, I just find it interesting that with everything else already on Clark's plate, he keeps making a special effort to trot out the '50 tonne payload from Dubai to Los Angeles" spiel.


User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 571 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10245 times:
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Could someone please gag this guy already. You want a HGW 77W. We get it.

User currently offlineebbuk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10078 times:

Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 2):
I just find it interesting that with everything else already on Clark's plate, he keeps making a special effort to trot out the '50 tonne payload from Dubai to Los Angeles" spiel.

It is the only part of his jigsaw that is missing. He who shouts loudest, and often, always gets what he shouts for.


User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9975 times:

Quoting mdword1959 (Thread starter):
Interesting that Mr. Clark continues publicly pushing on this front


Who approached whom for the interview? And what would anyone expect Clark to talk about?

In the article Clark appears both calm and realistic stating

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“I know [our specifications are] a big ask but it will be an unrivaled aircraft if we get it,”

and wanting

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"manufacturers to focus on reliability as the number one criteria in aircraft design. “The knock on effect and cost is enormous of aircraft breakdowns and outweighs minor fuel savings,”


I'm not sure if this is a case of making noise in order to get attention or whether it presents a realistic assessment of Boeing's priorities at present.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9887 times:
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Quoting ebbuk (Reply 4):
He who shouts loudest, and often, always gets what he shouts for.


Though that may be true, EK usually backs-up that loud shouting with considerable numbers of orders. See the A380 and B77W of which they have ordered huge numbers. And they have order quite a bunch of A350-XWB's as well.  


User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 571 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9737 times:
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Quoting ebbuk (Reply 4):
He who shouts loudest, and often, always gets what he shouts for.

No. He who shouts loudest is just annoying.

Clark has plenty of clout with Airbus and Boeing to make his case privately, behind closed doors.

This isn't about wanting the heavier 777. It's about protecting the artifical competitive advantage EK and other carriers enjoy thanks to export subsidies by publicly making lots of noise about wanting to order lots of new airplanes.


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9691 times:
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Actually, I find the last paragraph the most interesting of them all. He would rather have manufacturers focus more on reliability than fuel savings. I guess what with airlines keeping their schedules as tight as possible, any delay has long, expensive knock-on repercussions that weeks' worth of fuel savings are necessary to pay for.


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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4938 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9391 times:

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 3):
Could someone please gag this guy already. You want a HGW 77W. We get it.
Quoting goldenstate (Reply 7):
This isn't about wanting the heavier 777.

You have it wrong. What Mr Clark wants is increased payload within the present MTOW by reduced MEW and fuel burn.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30867 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9334 times:
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I'm sure Boeing has sufficient resources within the 777 Group to perform work on a "777-300ERX" with a lighter structure.

The problem is not designing a 777-300ERX. The problem is bringing it to market. It is the most expensive to produce airplane in Boeing Commercial's catalog and moving to CFRP wings or laser-wlded Al-Li fuselage panels is not going to make it any cheaper to build.

And I am sure EK, which pays less than half of list for a 77W thanks to the number they order, is not going to want to pay 20% more for the 777-300ERX because that's going to impact the profitability that extra payload is going to bring.


User currently offlineandhen From Norway, joined Dec 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9239 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
The problem is not designing a 777-300ERX. The problem is bringing it to market. It is the most expensive to produce airplane in Boeing Commercial's catalog and moving to CFRP wings or laser-wlded Al-Li fuselage panels is not going to make it any cheaper to build.

I am not shure Boeing knows how to laserweld al-li panels.. I am quite shure they would have to outsource this to another manufacturer across the atlantic ocean..

But they could implement other changes i guess.

andhen



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User currently onlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9240 times:

Is an upgraded 777-300ER that big a deal. To me, the problems with the 787 are delaying Boeing's going forward with a new narrowbody.

A lot of airlines want something that is beyond the performance of the 737NG, the A320 series, and possibly the 757.


User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3832 times:
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Quoting goldenstate (Reply 3):

You are not Tim Clark's audience. Besides talking to management, EK is also sending messages to the owners of Boeing which if you will check on link below are essentially 100% Institutional Investors--- no little guys! The owners of Boeing i.e. institutional investors, are being reminded by EK on the product requirments of valuable customers such as EK, so they can exert their influence on the BOD which in turn has the say in Boeing management, who stays, who goes, resource allocations i.e. putting more into satelites than speeding up an update to their BCA's 777 program.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/company/...any/ba/nys/institutional-ownership



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8506 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 8):
He would rather have manufacturers focus more on reliability than fuel savings.

Translation: "Thank god we didn't order Rollers on our A380s."


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