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737-800: Fastest And Most Comfortable 737?  
User currently offlineAirnerd From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 253 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 15132 times:

On a recent AS flight PDX-KOA, the captain welcomed the passengers on board and stated that the 737-800 was the, "fastest and most comfortable 737 ever made." Any truth to that statement?

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30524 posts, RR: 84
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14940 times:
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I find the NGs to be very comfortable - more so than the Classics. I put this down to the new interiors giving the illusion of more space and advances in seat design.

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14858 times:

None what-so-ever.
All the 737NG's have the same wing, and so are capable of similar speeds. The speeds actually flown are a resulat of several calculations, having mostly to do with weight.
Comfort? He's clearly never seen the cabin of a PrivatAir 737 doing AMS-IAH.

Now, if he was comparing the NG series to previous generations of 737, then he's absolutely right- the NG is faster. Comfort is subjective, but the NG certainly has a more pleasant cabin appearance, so.... I'll give it to him.


Either way, kind of a strange statement.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9481 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14803 times:

Quoting Airnerd (Thread starter):


On a recent AS flight PDX-KOA, the captain welcomed the passengers on board and stated that the 737-800 was the, "fastest and most comfortable 737 ever made." Any truth to that statement?

I definitely think he's comparing 737 NG to 737 Classic. My personal opinion is that the 700 is a bit more comfortable since it will cool down faster when the airplane heats up on the ground. The 800 does not cool down as fast as the 700 so it can be a bit more stuffy inside.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15713 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14455 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):

The only way I'd consider an -800 more comfortable is because it has one more exit row.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19369 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

The 737 has the exact same fuselage cross-section as the 757 and the 707.

The main reason why I consider the 737 less comfortable is because there is no lav amidships.


User currently offlineCargoLex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1259 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14274 times:

They're more comfortable than the classics, for sure, and certainly quieter. I've done many flights on the -300 and -400 and the NG really is a nicer plane to ride on. Not such a huge fan of the -900 though. The 752 is better for such a large number of passengers, IMO. I'd like to try a -200 sometime, haven't ridden one of those since I was too young to understand the differences between planes, but I've seen many of them.

The most comfortable 73NG, however, would be the BBJ, and as much as I love AS, you won't get that kind of luxury on any AS plane.  

Strange that an AS Captain would say that though, given that AS still has a large number of -400s and also operates the 700/900 NG's. That said, the AS plane I fly most frequently on is the 800.

[Edited 2010-12-06 14:13:17]

User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2352 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14219 times:

He's just proud of his airplane. and proud of this airline.

The "comfort" of the plane comes --from my perspective---the seat choices the airline makes.


User currently offlineSchorschNG From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14070 times:

The B737 has the smallest seats, which besides pitch govern passenger comfort. While airlines can install seats at a larger pitch, they are limited in width if they want to keep 6 abreast seating.
The B737 is the slowest Boeing jet (by Mach number).



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1127 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13966 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
The main reason why I consider the 737 less comfortable is because there is no lav amidships.

The -900 does   I'm not a huge fan of the -900 though because, like the 757, it takes forever to load. The advantage the 757 has though is that it can load pax from L2, which a 739 lacks.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9481 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13751 times:

Quoting SchorschNG (Reply 8):
The B737 is the slowest Boeing jet (by Mach number).

Not completely true if you are talking the NG which is what the thread is about. The 717 cruised at Mach .77 whereas the 737NG cruises at .78. Of course the classic cruised at .74 which is the slowest. Boeing increased the 737NG cruise speed to match the A320.



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User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13693 times:

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 6):

They're more comfortable than the classics, for sure, and certainly quieter. I've done many flights on the -300 and -400 and the NG really is a nicer plane to ride on. Not such a huge fan of the -900 though. The 752 is better for such a large number of passengers, IMO. I'd like to try a -200 sometime, haven't ridden one of those since I was too young to understand the differences between planes, but I've seen many of them.

Hmmm, what a subjective subject, lol... I quoted you there because I always found the 900/900ER to be the best for comfort. Of course, I have only ever flown those on AS & CO, so that probably has a bit to do with it. Truth is that the 800s of those airlines aren't at all bad either though.

I will say that it was only ever the 900s that seemed to have powerports at every seat... you know, for when I just have to Anet post on an actual plane!


User currently offlineUSTraveler From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13498 times:

Don't think the comment was odd. It's called pride. The captain was simply referring to the facts that that particular 737NG is superior to the classics. It was probably a brand-new jet. I like AS -800s.

How many are following ETOPS guidelines?

[Edited 2010-12-06 17:14:20]

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13507 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13455 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
The main reason why I consider the 737 less comfortable is because there is no lav amidships.

The 738 does have a mid-cabin lav option. AS had the first few 738s delivered with the mid-cabin lav, with the subsequent deliveries taking three rear lavs instead to make the fleet more marketable on the resale market in 15-20 years' time.



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User currently offlineflashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13430 times:
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Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
The 738 does have a mid-cabin lav option. AS had the first few 738s delivered with the mid-cabin lav, with the subsequent deliveries taking three rear lavs instead to make the fleet more marketable on the resale market in 15-20 years' time.

Interesting. I haven't flown on one of these. Do they still have that config or did they standardize everything to the three rear lavs?


User currently offlineCargoLex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1259 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13366 times:

Quote:
Hmmm, what a subjective subject, lol... I quoted you there because I always found the 900/900ER to be the best for comfort. Of course, I have only ever flown those on AS & CO,

Same here. The only -900's I've flown on were from AS & CO, as both sometimes use them on the SEA-EWR routes and I fly those routes often (but now only with AS). CO usually flies SEA-EWR with the 900, AS usually uses the 800. For some reason, CO's 900 always feels more cramped to me than AS's 800. These are almost always full planes in both directions.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13318 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
The main reason why I consider the 737 less comfortable is because there is no lav amidships.

Pardon me if I am missing something blindingly obvious, but how does not having a mid lavatory make the aircraft more comfortable?



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User currently offlineKGRB From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 702 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13261 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
The 737 has the exact same fuselage cross-section as the 757 and the 707.

And the 727.  
Quoting SchorschNG (Reply 8):
The B737 has the smallest seats

Smallest seats... compared to what? 737s typically have the same seat width as other narrowbodies, including the A320, 757, and MD-80. Or do you actually buy into that hype that A320s have wider seats?  



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User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6759 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12943 times:

Quoting Airnerd (Thread starter):

On a recent AS flight PDX-KOA, the captain welcomed the passengers on board and stated that the 737-800 was the, "fastest and most comfortable 737 ever made." Any truth to that statement?

Most comfortable is subjective... so am not going to comment on that...
But... as to the fastest???? It depends on what terms.
It's Mmo (Mach - Max Operating)... it's 0.82... valid for 737 -200/600/700/800/900/900ERs... As to the -300/400/500... some say it's 0.82 whilst others say it's 0.80...

So... it's take that comment with a pinch of salt...

Mind you... an Air India Express 738 reached 0.888 in a "mishap" and lived...   



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User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12897 times:

I find it very interesting that everyone is reading into this when all this was meant to be was a comedic statement specific to that aircraft...just because. There is no real meaning behind what he said other than to impress kids and other people who probably like hearing anything the "Captain" says. I'm sure if he read all of this he would crack up.

Relate it to when you are proud of something and even though that there may be hundreds, if not thousands of that item, you tell everyone that yours is the "best" in some way. Nothing more, nothing less.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12765 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
The 737 has the exact same fuselage cross-section as the 757 and the 707.

Horizontal only, not vertical.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 17):
Or do you actually buy into that hype that A320s have wider seats?

Many A320s do have wider seats than 737s. Depends on the carrier. Some prefer a 6 inch wider aisle than 1 inch wider seats to make moving around the cabin easier. Several A320 operators also choose wider middle seats only, combined with a slightly wider aisle.


User currently offlinebayareablue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12618 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
The 738 does have a mid-cabin lav option. AS had the first few 738s delivered with the mid-cabin lav, with the subsequent deliveries taking three rear lavs instead to make the fleet more marketable on the resale market in 15-20 years' time.

None of the AS 738's have mid-lavs. The only AS aircraft to have mid-lavs are the first 6 739's.


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12509 times:

Not to start the whole A vs. B thing (and I'm a huugee B fan!)..but I find the new Airbuses, esp the A318, A319 (the A320 family) more comfortable (the noise, general comfort) than any 737 I've been on.


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User currently offlinerheinwaldner From Switzerland, joined Jan 2008, 2213 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12402 times:

It is the most comfortable because it is the fastest! In it you have to endure the small seats the shortest time!

User currently offlineSchorschNG From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12166 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 10):

Not completely true if you are talking the NG which is what the thread is about. The 717 cruised at Mach .77 whereas the 737NG cruises at .78. Of course the classic cruised at .74 which is the slowest. Boeing increased the 737NG cruise speed to match the A320.

If I understand correctly the Classic had similar limit Mach number (MMO), but the long range cruise was slower due to 1960ies vintage wing profile. The Boeing 717 is actually not really a Boeing ...
But what I wanted to say: the B737NG is not really fast for a commercial jet, it is actually rather slow compared to other Boeing aircraft (while nobody questions the correctness of the chosen design cruise Mach number).

Quoting KGRB (Reply 17):
Or do you actually buy into that hype that A320s have wider seats?

Yes, I am buying the hype. At least I "buy" (there isn't much to buy, it is simple physical dimensions) that the A320 gives an operator more options. Then again: the B737 is not miles away in comfort, but calling it "the most comfortable" aircraft is simply wrong, at least by all standards known to me.
The B737 on average smaller seats and less overhead bin volume.

For those who doubt that, click link below:
http://www.seatguru.com/charts/shorthaul_economy.php
Sort by "Aircraft with Seatmap" and notice, that much more A320 Series aircraft have 18inch seats than B737.



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25 Post contains images planesmith : Clearly this captain has never flown economy! (and certainly never with a low-cost carrier!!!)
26 bj87 : The last -800 I flew on belonged to Ryanair so the most comfortable it wasn't, the KLM -800's are nice though. It all depends on the airline but speed
27 brilondon : Does this comfort factor not depend on the airline and its choice of interior configuration, also on the choice of seats and entertainment features. A
28 Ushermittwoch : I like the 700 best out of all NGs. Not a huge fan of the 800. I'd prefer an A320 any time.
29 bikerthai : The captain specifically said the most comfortable "B737". I would agree that the A320 feels more comfortable than a 737, but that is not the point o
30 BlueSky1976 : It's not a hype. A320s do have wider seats. ...unless the carrier ordering them select the standard Boeing 17' crammer.
31 AR385 : I have flown on: 737-100 737-200 737-300 737-400 737-500 737-700 737-800 737-900 I find the 737-500 of the classics and the 737-700 of the NGs the mo
32 JAAlbert : Hilarious! I guess it depends on what point your measuring "comfort" from. If you're starting with a cattle car, then yes, the 737-800 is a bit more c
33 Post contains images revo1059 : Maybe that particular 738 had performance cam and some headers on it to make it the fastest........
34 EA CO AS : The first three (or five, I'm not sure) were delivered with mid-cabin lavs.
35 seabosdca : This is a comment that wouldn't make sense away from AS. AS's first 737NG order was made up of 73G and 739. The 73G was short on capacity, while the 7
36 odwyerpw : It's the THRUSH muffler scare sticker on the pilots window that makes it so fast.
37 asqx : Actually, the first three Alaska 737-800s (546, 548 and 549) were delivered in a 16/144 configuration with only two lavs in the rear. All of the rest
38 Airnerd : Thanks for all the replies! I think seabosdca above has the inside line. This response puts the comment in context, and it makes sense. The plane was
39 KiwiRob : What I find annoying about the 737 is I get a sore neck from hunching down to look out the window, when Boeing originally set the window height they m
40 RoseFlyer : The only thing the passenger might notice is that the 800s that are newly delivered have larger overhead bins than the original 73Gs and 739s. When o
41 LouieP2186 : Go on a 900/900ER please Maybe the Classic has smaller seats but the NG's please! I agree with what is stated above.
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