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New Zealand Aviation Thread #88 Summer Season  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17787 times:
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previous thread New Zealand Aviation Thread #87 (by 777ER Nov 11 2010 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17736 times:

HI Guys

I have a question regarding the seats on NZ's B772: I am booked on AKL-SFO and YVR-AKL next year, and when I called the call center to help me reserve my preferred seats they apparently were gone. However, the lady insisted that the 2 seats in row 53 are actually "in the middle", and thus both the window and the aisle seats have more legroom. I have never seen this on any aircraft, and would be very surprised if that was the case. But since she said she likes those seats, it sounded like she knows from own experience. Can anybody confirm this (or tell me it is not true)? My guess is row 53 "starts" at the window, and only 54C has the legroom due to a missing seat in front of it...

Many thanks!
micha


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17611 times:

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 1):
Can anybody confirm this (or tell me it is not true)? My guess is row 53 "starts" at the window, and only 54C has the legroom due to a missing seat in front of it...

I was seated in 54A on NZ39 AKL-HKG in October last year. 54A did not have the extra leg room, only 54C had the extra leg room.


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17559 times:

You'd better not want to fly Air NZ next spring.........

I have just tried to book an Australia-LA return leaving 9 September next year, and a return to Honolulu a couple of weeks later.

Yes, the phoney war end of the World Cup will have begun, but the only Australia match within seven days is against Italy at Christchurch.

But the airline seems to be trying to rort the market in the same way SAA (unsuccessfully) did at this year's soccer World Cup, when I flew around the country on half-empty aircraft on $1000 domestic return tickets.

Every Business Class seat on BNE-AKL for six weeks is classified as C class - no Z and no D. Every economy seat is classified as Y, M, B or H class.

My corporate travel policy disallows C class, as it sends a $6000 BNE-LAX return to over $12,000.

I really do think that the airline needs to review all of this, or it won't have any passengers.........


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17508 times:

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 1):
My guess is row 53 "starts" at the window, and only 54C has the legroom due to a missing seat in front of it...

53AB is the exit row with no window (except the tiny one in the door itself). They do have heaps of space but i don't think they are a preferred seat. 54C has no seat in front, and because of the angle of the aisle and being at the beginning of the cabin you will be disrupted by everyone coming and going to the bathroom and by cabin crew shifting their carts.. On a related note they congregate in the door space of row 53 - which is really annoying.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17370 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 3):
But the airline seems to be trying to rort the market in the same way SAA (unsuccessfully) did at this year's soccer World Cup, when I flew around the country on half-empty aircraft on $1000 domestic return tickets.

Not only SAA, every airline except SAX flying domestically in South Africa did the same. From around 2 months before the FIFA World Cup started, seats became widely available at the cheapest rates since locals would not pay R3000 for the 2 hours' flight between JNB and CPT and of course there weren't enough tourists to fill the planes.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 4):
53AB is the exit row with no window (except the tiny one in the door itself). They do have heaps of space but i don't think they are a preferred seat. 54C has no seat in front, and because of the angle of the aisle and being at the beginning of the cabin you will be disrupted by everyone coming and going to the bathroom and by cabin crew shifting their carts.. On a related note they congregate in the door space of row 53 - which is really annoying.

54C is probably one of the worst seats because of the movement of crew and passengers as mentioned, 53A has only got about half of the legroom because of the door. 54A is good for single travelers since only the passenger in 54B needs to move when you go to the toilet.


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 17328 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 2):
I was seated in 54A on NZ39 AKL-HKG in October last year. 54A did not have the extra leg room, only 54C had the extra leg room.
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 4):
Quoting cchan (Reply 5):
54C is probably one of the worst seats because of the movement of crew and passengers as mentioned, 53A has only got about half of the legroom because of the door. 54A is good for single travelers since only the passenger in 54B needs to move when you go to the toilet.

just as I thought - many thanks for the confirmation, cchan and aerorob!

Cheers
micha


User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5216 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 17143 times:

With the New Zealand EDTO rules now signed off by the Minister responsible effective Sept. 20th interested carriers now know the rules for diversion times greater than 180-min. In NZ's case they are eligible to apply for 240-min for the 77E insofar as they have at least 2-years experience operating at 180-min. No doubt the operational record e.g. IFSD's, would have a bearing on whether N.Z. CAA would issue the certificate. From the carriers point of view they would need to have a route in mind and decide whether the extra costs in higher maintenance standards etc are worthwhile
Probably the most obvious route is AKL-GRU to which Norm Thompson referred recently. This route is 6504nm GC and thanks to a new feature on GC Mapper it is easy to calculate the fly around distance based on 240-min. diversion at 6737nm. But the winds are likely to put the west bound ESAD ~7800nm which is simply a non starter in my view. So the question is where is the en route stop; SCL or EZE ? From a westbound ESAD viewpoint SCL beats EZE by about 6200nm to about 6800nm. But at 6800nm the 77E is payload restricted at a bit better than max passenger load. But which has the best commercial opportunity of the two or the most ineffective competition? Any thoughts?
Don't bring the 77L or 789 into this , NZ would have to operate these for at least 2-years at 180-min before being eligible to apply for 240-min.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 16952 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 7):
But which has the best commercial opportunity of the two or the most ineffective competition? Any thoughts?

Competitor-wise EZE would be it. AR is much the poorer , and LAN has a very dominant grasp on SCL. Business/Trade wise I think SCL would edge ahead. Either have Mercosur relations with Brazil so it wouldn't matter too much.

Another thought I had is what's to stop it being AKL-SCL-GRU 2x a week and AKL-EZE-GRU 2x a week??? That would add 3 destinations to the network that could be groomed, so that when NZ finally has aircraft capable of direct GRU they can have 3 destinations all able to sustain their own flights. In the meantime it effectively allows GRU to have the frequency it needs to be successful.

Technically speaking with Taca/Avianca & Copa hooked up to Star, LIM//PTY/BOG would have Star feed.(though BOG being high would be further restricted.) These are far more outside chances and armchair CEO thoughts no doubt, but either are able to operate within EDTO 240min.

Whatever happens, expect me to be a regular aboard.


User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5216 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 16897 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 8):
so that when NZ finally has aircraft capable of direct GRU they can have 3 destinations all able to sustain their own flight

This would require 330-min and according to the rules would require 3-years operating at 180 ( 2-yrs) and 240 ( 1yr) to be eligible to apply. Direct westbound ESAD is ~7500nm from GRU which would restrict payload on any aircraft except the 77L. Not sure that the 789 is the right aircraft for this distance. EK switch from the 77W (SFO) to the 77L (LAX) at about 7300nm ESAD.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 16893 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 7):
Don't bring the 77L or 789 into this , NZ would have to operate these for at least 2-years at 180-min before being eligible to apply for 240-min.

The 744 can be used now without restriction and the 77W with a 240 min restriction could be used from about April 2013. The earliest the 789 could be used with a 240 min restriction would be about April 2016. The economics of the 77E with a 240 min restriction versus the 744 with no restriction would be an interesting calculation. Leasing and maintenance costs, crew costs, fuel prices.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 8):
Competitor-wise EZE would be it. AR is much the poorer, and LAN has a very dominant grasp on SCL.

Agreed. AR's lease of QR A346's appears to have fallen through and IB may be getting them instead. Underarm bowling perhaps? AR was going to use them EZE-MAD against IB's A346's.

Air NZ's existing product on the 744's would not be a disadvantage versus AR.

Have not heard any more about QF quitting EZE and going to GRU/GIG via another point. AKL or SCL were suggested, but I didn't think the 744ER could do GRU-AKL without a significant load penalty due lack of alternates westbound.

PA515


User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5216 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16876 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 10):
but I didn't think the 744ER could do GRU-AKL without a significant load penalty due lack of alternates westbound.

The ESAD is about the same as LAX-MEL. So the payload restraints for the 744ER would be very similar.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16860 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 11):
The ESAD is about the same as LAX-MEL. So the payload restraints for the 744ER would be very similar.

I'm not sure about that. LAX-MEL has a good spread of alternates approaching the destination. GRU-AKL has none which I understood meant significantly more reserve fuel was required.

PA515


User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5216 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 16742 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 12):
I'm not sure about that. LAX-MEL has a good spread of alternates approaching the destination. GRU-AKL has none which I understood meant significantly more reserve fuel was required

If a possible diversion is necessary on route there is the choice of continuing to the destination or to an alternate whichever is the shortest ( in flying time).
My understanding is that reserve fuel is predicated on what the alternate is after the destination. MEL used to be a problem with fog and it was not unknown to have to go on to BNE. and fuel loads had to allow for this possibility.With the installation of the Cat ii ( or is it Cat iii ) landing system this problem has largely disappeared. I note in a recent Pprune posting a VOZ captain listed ADL as a MEL alternate. Certainly further than the usual nominal 250nm.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16689 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 9):
This would require 330-min and according to the rules would require 3-years operating at 180 ( 2-yrs) and 240 ( 1yr) to be eligible to apply

Yeah GRU in terms of EDTO is in the region of 307min so could only be covered by 330.

Direct to Brazil will be the long term goal without a doubt. It makes sense to build up some experience and the prospective markets to & from the airports concerned while they have to build up to the necessary EDTO requirements. They could always only go direct on the flight to GRU, and back via EZE/SCL or even PPT .

Quoting PA515 (Reply 10):
Have not heard any more about QF quitting EZE and going to GRU/GIG via another point. AKL or SCL were suggested, but I didn't think the 744ER could do GRU-AKL

Neither, but I have heard something that might be related, and if so it would be a no at AKL.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16654 times:

What's the latest on OKM? When's its first flight scheduled for? I haven't seen or heard anything about it since that RTO and taxi tests..


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16613 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 15):
What's the latest on OKM?

It's flown for the first time several weeks ago, but other than that it's still as expected..

The first flight is not currently in the GDS system for general internal knowledge yet. Only those in an operations/logistics role will be aware for the moment...


User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5216 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16452 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 16):
The first flight is not currently in the GDS system for general internal knowledge yet. Only those in an operations/logistics role will be aware for the moment...

You are referring to the first commercial passenger flight I assume.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16447 times:
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When was -OKM delivered?

User currently offlineAKLRNO From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16426 times:

Is Auckland airport equipped for Cat IIIb landings? Any plans for Cat IIIc? How about CHC?

I fly in there from the US several times a year and the only thing that bothers me about the flight is the fact that as you get close there are very few divert choices for a 747. Just AKL and CHC, I presume.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1669 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16423 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 8):
Another thought I had is what's to stop it being AKL-SCL-GRU 2x a week and AKL-EZE-GRU 2x a week??? That would add 3 destinations to the network that could be groomed, so that when NZ finally has aircraft capable of direct GRU they can have 3 destinations all able to sustain their own flights. In the meantime it effectively allows GRU to have the frequency it needs to be successful.

There's some logic to this. I fear that EZE on its own would not be a viable destination, with AR having the advantage of on-line connections there which NZ would not. And with QF also creaming off a lot of the Australian traffic, there's significant additional competition. With SCL on its own, they'd be competing against a daily well-established LA service. And yet GRU is the real target. So serving GRU four times a week, twice via EZE and twice via SCL gives a bit of "insurance" for all destinations.

Under MALIAT, NZ would have the right to carry pax SCL-EZE, though I doubt if there would be much local demand, unless they were able to cream off a premium niche market. I know that NZ could exercise fifth freedom rights from EZE to a European port, but I'm not aware that they would be able to carry local traffic on EZE-GRU. But again, I doubt there would be much local traffic that would go NZ's way even if they did have the rights.

When the 789s come along, if either EZE or SCL couldn't support a standalone nonstop service perhaps 3 x weekly, they could be dropped, and resources focused on the non-stop to GRU. The question would be, though, whether NZ wished to put the substantial resources required into opening three new destinations simultaneously, though there would unquestionably be some marketing synergies.



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User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16424 times:
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Quoting AKLRNO (Reply 19):
are very few divert choices for a 747. Just AKL and CHC, I presume.

WLG can take 747s though I can't imagine it would ever be the first choice , and many years ago either PA or UA diverted an incoming 747 to Ohakea Air Force Base ... but I believe they caused a certain amount of damage when they departed again .



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16415 times:

Quoting AKLRNO (Reply 19):
Is Auckland airport equipped for Cat IIIb landings?

Yes, Cat IIIb is what AKL has.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 16):
It's flown for the first time several weeks ago, but other than that it's still as expected..

Right, I see it wasn't publicised much - not even on the Paine Field website but good to see it has flown..



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User currently offlineNZdsgnr From New Zealand, joined Jul 2008, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16391 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 18):
When was -OKM delivered?

I believe that it is getting delivered on the 22nd

1st NZ 773ER Delivery Flight Details (by NZ1 Nov 16 2010 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16267 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 17):
You are referring to the first commercial passenger flight I assume.

Indeed. The moment I find out I will no doubt book on it - roster permitting..

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 20):
with AR having the advantage of on-line connections there which NZ would not

Yes definitely true, keep in mind however that AEP has many of the AR domestic and regional flights. An airport change is not ideal - having done the old AEP-EZE commute it's not a quick process at many times of the day..
JJ operates a number of flights out of EZE which would be Star Alliance compatible, and of course LH for another fare option to Europe...

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 20):
And with QF also creaming off a lot of the Australian traffic, there's significant additional competition

creaming a lot of the Sydney traffic.... destinations like PER/BNE/MEL/OOL/ADL less so... I believe there is potential for NZ to make the most of this if they want to...


25 sunrisevalley : I don't see a non-stop GRU-AKL as viable given an ESAD ~7600nm unless the carrier is content with max passenger plus some. The trade off is a tech st
26 Zkpilot : Cat IIIb... There are some airports around the world with Cat IIIc capability but AFAIK none of them actually use it...Cat IIIb only. Cat IIIb pretty
27 nzrich : The one good thing is if it starts looking bad there are many islands available to land capable of 744 size aircraft ie NAN , PPT , RAR and APW in th
28 AKLRNO : The one good thing is if it starts looking bad there are many islands available to land capable of 744 size aircraft ie NAN , PPT , RAR and APW in the
29 sunrisevalley : Can NZ1 or others confirm whether NZ has made a decision on interim long haul lift? If so how far away is an announcement ?
30 cchan : You don't have to worry about this for very long as there will be no 747s flying this route in a few years' time. I think NAN is closer to AKL than R
31 aerorobnz : I think they are keeping it close to their chests at least until they have the 77W in service.
32 cchan : Or that may depend on how happy NZ is with the new 77W.
33 sunrisevalley : the 77W is a known quantity/quality. Sure there may be some EIS hick ups , new frames and all that . I cannot see any unexpected major issues.
34 SCL767 : When NZ enters the South American market, LA/QF will simply respond by increasing frequencies into AKL and SYD. Even when LAN receives the B787s, LAN
35 aerorobnz : I've had the first 77W flight confirmed to me this morning by company correspondence, however I'll refrain until I've checked if it's ok once i go to
36 SCL767 : LAN also has "online" connections at AKL with QF/JQ and other carriers. LA/CX have been very successful in marketing HKG-AKL-SCL, and soon HND-HKG-AK
37 777ER : A UA B744 flying from LAX landed at WLG, an NZ B742 (with no pax for the WLG open day) and also for touch and goes when the B742s first arrived and a
38 NZdsgnr : I think that NZ1 was mentioning that it would take off straight from PAE to AKL
39 planemanofnz : LA is only able to provide one-stop connections to HKG, MEL and BNE. NZ thwarts LA in this area because NZ can connect one-stop to NRT, KIX, PVG, PEK
40 777ER : Oh yea, forgot about that, BUMMER!
41 NZdsgnr : time to plan that connection onto PAE haha
42 SCL767 : What a/c will NZ use on these new routes? And what makes you think that LAN or TAM would not operate GRU-AKL, (QF will most likely operate SYD-GRU).
43 Post contains images kiwiandrew : I think one more item on the list of missed opportunities for NZ is squandering the relationship they once had with LA . Many years ago NZ leased two
44 SCL767 : And now, LAN has a much larger fleet than NZ with another 100+ a/c on order. LAN even flew SCL-IPC-PPT-NAN for a short period during the early 1970's
45 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Hey , let me dream ... I need a break ... *A are well on the way to losing their second Brazilian member and going back , maybe not quite to square o
46 sunrisevalley : They could use a 744 although they have stated publicly that the two they are retaining are to be used " to service existing routes". They could appl
47 sunrisevalley : Non-stop or one stop? Non-stop westbound is ~8200nmn ESAD. QF 744ER was frequently weight restricted LAX-MEL an ESAD of ~ 7600nm. I don't think a non
48 PA515 : A 5th November 'flightglobal' item about ZK-OKM said two 77E's, possibly ex SQ, were under consideration. There was no mention of keeping 744's or or
49 PA515 : Although SQ has been selling RR 77E's, an MH RR 77E was briefly listed on planemart earlier this year. I didn't record the c/n number but it was an ai
50 DavidByrne : I don't know ho much premium traffic there is between SCL and EZE. But NZ's fantastic premium product has made it the carrier of choice for many of t
51 kiwiandrew : I thought that NZ also had a real 742 diversion to WLG once . I don't recall a UA diversion to WLG .
52 aerorobnz : Apparently it was the UA diversion that forced the CAA to enforce a change to how much fuel has to be loaded on a New Zealand bound flight and which
53 Post contains links 777ER : Quick google search recovered this: In 1991 a United Airlines Boeing 747 made an unscheduled landing after its original destination, Auckland Airport
54 777ER : CHC was ended up being closed/partly closed due to fog so if the CAA changed its rules then it wouldn't have made any difference (unless it only had
55 aerorobnz : my understanding from my colleagues who were ex United is that they only just scraped into WLG on the smell of an Oily rag, and the CAA made those op
56 Unclekoru : Almost correct, the flight was actually from MEL.
57 Post contains links planemanofnz : CZ to commence 3/weekly CAN-MEL-AKL services from April 2011. Source: http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/4450389/New-service-gives-tourism-boost
58 planemanofnz : You're right, they probably will beat NZ in starting a GRU-AKL service, just like Continental have beaten NZ in starting HOU and China Southern have
59 Post contains images aflyingkiwi : Hopefully the flight's will actually happen Well it was a matter of time for CZ to start start service to AKL. I wonder what changed their mind to fl
60 NZ107 : BNE is more direct - that's about the only thing about it. But MEL has always had less 'competition' and currently, only NZ, QF, JQ, DJ and EK ply th
61 aflyingkiwi : Maybe it's got more to do with MEL having good demand and needing the extra flights than anything else. According to CZ's Flight Schedule there are a
62 Post contains links 777ER : Is the CZ service using A380s? - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10693871 (note the model in the photo)
63 Post contains links aflyingkiwi : Hahaha, Nice one. It definately would be cool to see the CZ A380 here in AKL but my guess would be on an A330. Actually it does mention in this artic
64 xiaotung : Quite possibly given CI will be their SkyTeam partner. Already in GDS from 27 Mar 2011 CZ305 CAN2300 – 1030+1 MEL 1200+1 – 1735+1 AKL 333 257 CZ3
65 Post contains links planemanofnz : No. See: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU101...lcomes-china-southern-airlines.htm "The new Guangzhou to Auckland route will initially be served by A
66 cchan : This does not matter, given a choice between CZ and any airline from the western world, most passengers would go on a western airline.
67 xiaotung : Unless CZ is selling cheap as tickets. They are constantly selling $800 return from SYD to CAN. No other western airlines will be able to beat that.
68 cchan : Well they are usually cheap but you get what you pay for. BI probably offers a similar price but is a lot better than CZ. From personal experience, s
69 PA515 : There is a 'rumour' on pprune that Air NZ has purchased a 744 from a leasing company for $15M. Doesn't say NZD or USD. Would this be insufficient to
70 zkojh : any idea's who will get the groundwork at akl for the new CZ sevice?
71 Post contains images kiwiandrew : The rumour on PPrune also says that NZ are looking at moving into the AKL-DFW route delayed by CO/UA so I am not sure how much weight should be given
72 Post contains links NZdsgnr : oh.... sad.... All Black gay kiss-off gets cut from Air NZ video http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4450...iss-off-gets-cut-from-Air-NZ-video
73 mariner : I think it the decision to cut it is silly and would be offensive if I could be bothered to be offended. The claim that it could lead to gay male sui
74 aerohottie : Oh this stuff really annoys me... you know what... The scene should have shown Richard Kahui actually landing a big wet one on the flight attendants
75 planemanofnz : I wonder where's next for AKL? Possible new routes: - VN (AKL-SGN or AKL-SYD-SGN) - AI (AKL-MEL-DEL) - StarHub to StarHub. - NZ (AKL-BOM/DEL) - If not
76 alangirvan : All of the above are interesting possibilities. Will AKL cope with 2 EK A380s and the SQ A380 in at the same time? Several of the other airlines are
77 sunrisevalley : The first reaction is if true, NZ for whatever reason is not about to go for EDTO-240 for the 77E which they would need for AKL-DFW/IAH and AKL-SCL/E
78 cchan : This does not seem to be likely, as their 77W are configured with too many premium seats for the AKL market. Replacing 2x 343 flights with 1x 77W is
79 AeroWesty : I realize I'm a couple of days late to the party, but "bus" passengers from SFO to LAX? That's a 375-mile trip with frequent flights between the two.
80 cchan : That is assuming LAX is closed and all flights are cancelled.
81 aerorobnz : With two EK 388s & three QF 330s AKL is becoming an Airbus hotspot.... NZ/JQ/SB A320 332,SB,QF,JQ 333,CZ,CI,QF 343,TN,LA,CX EK 345,388 Not in the
82 Post contains images AeroWesty : Understood, but the claim was about SFO/LAX. One has to remember that the two are separated by a mountain range that's closed due to weather as well.
83 NZ107 : Take out the EK A345 from the end of this month...
84 planemanofnz : You missed out AR's 342 service EZE-AKL-SYD.
85 Post contains links NZ107 : Auckland Airport congratulates Thai on 50 years And with that is announced the return to daily services by TG to AKL from July!
86 PA515 : I interpreted this as the purchase of an ILFC 744 currently in the fleet. Avoids the problems of extending the lease for a fixed time and costly end
87 aflyingkiwi : I think that flight will be quite tough to make work. If they did decide to fly to AKL though, Why not fly via PER. I know Perth is a bit of a detour
88 planemanofnz : I doubt GA would fly via PER. I would like to see QF or JQ enter the PER-AKL market. It certainly has. On top of the new routes to HOU, SIN, TPE and
89 777ER : Was surprised to read this in the paper today. PC wins again! B744 remaining for a current route - so no B744s to South America
90 ZK-NBT : Nice another increase! I thought a while back they were struggling when they dropped to 4pw now 5. 744s running daily late November till March 6th 20
91 cchan : This year, however, CX has reduced the frequency of CX117/118 during northern winter (these used to run daily in previous years). If I remember corre
92 zkojh : why and if NZ are looking at 744's again when they are taking them out of the fleet. seems a silly choice. are there no 772/77W's free for the next 12
93 cchan : The purchase probably only gives NZ the flexibility in deciding what time to retire the 744 entirely. There is not much advantage to operate 2-3 744s
94 Post contains links 777ER : Reading an article on the proposed tie up between NZ and DJ which is being released as early as tomorrow by the ACCC and I find this part interesting.
95 Post contains images sunrisevalley : In my view NZ has sat on it's hands, done nothing and bemoaned ( privately) it's misfortune of having to wait for the 789. There are a hell of a lot
96 cchan : I am very interested to know whether NZ has been offered a compensation from Boeing for the 787 delays. Airlines like JL and NH have taken some 763 t
97 ZKSUJ : Some interesting ideas on PPrune regarding the 744, a service to IAH, and on to GRU. I suppose time will tell.
98 NZ107 : Well the 789 hasn't even gone into production yet so the wait is still indefinite.
99 AKLRNO : Unless there was a major earthquake in the area i think the diversion would be to ONT. It really is a 1-2 hour bus ride to LA, or they could fly ther
100 RichardJF : What NZ should do is start AKL-LIM-GRU with 772 and forget about EZE and SCL.
101 Post contains links IndianicWorld : 2 segment path: 8853 mi AKL (37°00'29"S 174°47'30"E) LIM (12°01'19"S 77°06'52"W) 110.7° (E) 6692 mi LIM (12°01'19"S 77°06'52"W) GRU (23°25'55
102 RichardJF : AKL-LIM is only slightly longer than AKL-LAX and could be done with the 772. I've been all over South America and Peru is easily the biggest tourist
103 aerokiwi : Perhaps they were a little hasty in selling off/ending leases on the other 4 767s? I guess it's the benefit of hindsight and all that, but maybe in f
104 zkojh : **Just ONE WEEK To Go TILL ZK-OKM is handed over ** 1st 77W for NZ.....
105 Post contains images aerorobnz : ***crosses fingers. I hope I will be onboard***
106 zkojh : Air NZ CEO Rob Fyfe says the latest delay to the delivery of the Boeing Dreamliner puts routes at risks - they have only just notice this!! There is f
107 aerohottie : Maybe it's time to buy some A350's Rob...
108 koruman : Rob Fyfe is being a little bit ungentlemanly here: the airline has elected to use the delays as a way of going through the GFC with a "Think Small" mo
109 aflyingkiwi : I think what NZ needs is a short term solution rather than an A350 which they probably won't get till 2017 at the earliest. As time goes along they m
110 sunrisevalley : To this I would add that for probably 4 to 5-years after EIS the 789 will be limited to 180-min diversion time routes. That is about 10-years from no
111 cchan : 2015 is probably more realistic, I would be very surprised to see the 789 flying for NZ in 2013. Bring in some new 763 with the 777 interior!
112 Post contains links NZdsgnr : Cuddle class generates more interest. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10694457 the article also mentions the arri
113 alangirvan : "Not only can you not get them, but the 772LR is the only aeroplane in the EK fleet to make less money than the A345. If you were to wish for the 773
114 kiwiandrew : Do you know whether the person who posted that comment was actually in a position to state that as fact , or was it just their opinion dressed up as
115 Post contains links mariner : The ACCC has approved the Air New Zealand/Virgin Blue tie-up: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10694714 "The Austr
116 kiwiandrew : Excellent news , like you , I cannot see why it was turned down in the first place , far less anti-competitve than other deals the ACCC have been hap
117 koruman : We all know that Qantas miscalculated in not buying the 777, as they gambled that the 788, 789 and 388 would cover all their bases, only to be left w
118 koruman : That is good, but highlights the absurdity of "Seats to Suit", as NZ narrowbody aircraft will be all-economy while Pacific Blue aircraft will also ha
119 aerokiwi : Remarkable given the number of times the objections were explained to you. You don't have to accept them, but surely you got the gist eventually, no?
120 mariner : No, I never understood the explanations. The reality of the situation was that the then fares were unsustainably low and brought about by unprofitabl
121 Post contains links mariner : It's a pretty good day for Virgin Blue. The ACCC has given provisional approval to the tie-up with Etihad, too: http://www.ausbt.com.au/v-australia-..
122 alangirvan : When the Joint Venture switched on there will be some big advantages, but there are still some question marks as to how much AirNZ will compete agains
123 PA515 : Air NZ had options on 6th and 7th 77W's for 2012 delivery. I doubt these have expired as VA has an option for Feb 2012 delivery they are yet to annou
124 777ER : I think its good news for tourism in both countrys. I'm pleased the ACCC have set rules, but will the airlines follow them is the question? I always
125 timpdx : I just booked a trip LAX-RAR w/return, any idea of what to expect on the 763 product? Flyertalk seems to have some pretty harsh reviews of Air New Zea
126 NZ6 : Typical comment from the uninformed armchair critic! The ACCC has the facts and it's hard to get something past them so if they approve it it has to
127 777ER : I agree with Aerokiwi on this. Just because someone/airline says something doesn't mean it won't happen
128 Post contains links NZ107 : I assume Economy.. It's just as good as the other widebody offerings from NZ. It's only when you get to J that you'd be bitterly disappointed with se
129 Post contains links and images NZ5 : On a side note, I thought I'd voice my opinion about the new 'black' livery going on the new A320s. I had a look at it again and again and something j
130 NZ6 : Depends if you want more "options' or if you want just what is offered now, for example 2x WLGSYD am flights or if you want a AM and PM option, depen
131 cchan : I use the AKL-RAR leg of these flights a few times in the past few years. Personally I think the 763s are better than the 772 product for economy cla
132 777ER : I far prefer the NZ version of the A320 because it adds more flair in terms of more white/silver against a black body I would prefer several of your
133 NZ5 : Yeah I agree that the ferns give it some sort of boost rather than leaving a blank canvas but to me something is missing with the lettering across th
134 Post contains links aerokiwi : Nice. I could respond in kind, but I'll try and resist. Frankly, you don't know my situation, I don't know yours. On this forum, we're all armchair c
135 mariner : The ACCC disagrees with you, but okay, I'm not aware of any constitutional right to cheap air fares. If I can't afford to travel, I don't go. I do so
136 Post contains images NZ6 : The wound you up didn't it replies below. "Consumer welfare" oh please, You're looking at your wallet! there are significant benefits from the allianc
137 BlackLabel : I don't follow the reasoning for this point at all. The Tasman network has a finite value if it is a standalone business; as do the domestic and long
138 Post contains links PA515 : According to Air NZ's 'November 2010 Investor Day' presentation: http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/asset...tre/2010-november-investor-day.pdf Page 20 con
139 NZ6 : Any airline would analyse data and break it down in this manner. Of course the Tasman has Domestic and Long Haul feed built into it but the vast majo
140 BlackLabel : Sure, and I do follow that. What I don't follow is the conclusion that "the Tasman MUST be made to be profitable on it's own". Your net income is der
141 NZ6 : A large peice of the Air NZ "pie" is Tasman operations, why not make it profotable? Would Shell sell confectionary below cost because they make more
142 BlackLabel : I don't think anyone disputes that the Tasman routes should be as profitable as they can be in their own right; but it's rather naive to only conside
143 aerokiwi : When, exactly? When EK started? When TG, MH, GA, UA left the market? Capacity has yo-yo'd for years with the only recent major development being the
144 Post contains links and images NZ5 : Here's the first flying shot of ZK-OKM out at Paine. Not long to go now. [Edited 2010-12-17 02:14:14]
145 mariner : For most of the non-AKL TT routes there is very little onward traffic except to domestic destinations within NZ and many of those connections could b
146 Post contains images NZ6 : Which is a very small portion. Again like aerokiwi uninformed. Of course but that does not change anything. I'm all for compeition. Why would you? yo
147 Kaiarahi : When does it start operating NZ5/6? I'm about to book YOW-AKL-YOW for Feb 4-19 in Y+, and Y+ on the 772 is not worth the cost. According to the NZ we
148 BlackLabel : Okay, I'll buy that those connections could be made through Auckland but that's still leveraging the value of the domestic (or other) networks. How d
149 mariner : The domestic connectivity isn't greatly different from anywhere in the world - relative to the population - but look at the map and where people live
150 aerorobnz : LAX will only have 744 and potentially 77W operating by when you are traveling so the justified concern about 772 U class should not apply.
151 Kaiarahi : Thanks - much as I prefer SFO to LAX, I'll take 744/77W over 772 anytime.
152 xiaotung : AIR NEW ZEALAND CHINA FLIGHT NUMBER CHANGES Effective from 27 March 2011, Air New Zealand Beijing flight numbers will change from NZ86-87 to NZ286-287
153 alangirvan : Connections are supposed to be a big part of the reason why the alliance will be good for consumers. leaving aside for a moment whether I can do a tr
154 mariner : Ah - I wasn't writing about trans-Tasman flights. I am assuming that the big centers will continue to have their trans-Tasman flights and the O&D
155 NZ6 : True and I accept that but some are calling for the allaince to be blocked without having the facts. Hold on, no one said it was run as a "standalone
156 NZ5 : Does anyone know why ZK-NCL has had the paint removed from its winglets? I saw it today at Auckland airport as I took off and the winglets are now jus
157 kiwiandrew : I recall a few months ago someone mentioning that there had supposedly been incidents of pax feeling symptoms of motion sickness while looking at the
158 PanAm_DC10 : Hi All, Can anyone tell me when Air New Zealand DC-10 ZK-NZL was retired from service with the carrier? Thanks
159 Post contains links kiwiandrew : According to http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-dc10-47846.htm it was delivered to AA 21/10/1981 , so while I can't give you an exact date for r
160 PanAm_DC10 : Thanks for that kiwiandrew, would be interesting to know if it was parked up. Found a few shots I took of it at SYD, I had the date as 1981 and your
161 alangirvan : There have been times when I wondered if competition really was delivering benefits, when you look at the arrival board at CHC and see three flights
162 aerorobnz : No, not at all... it just had new winglets fitted during it's last check.
163 777ER : Since ACs lounge at LAX doesn't have showers, would I be able to enter the NZ lounge with Star Gold (even thou I'm flying on an AC service to YVR) to
164 Kaiarahi : In my experience, no. You'll be politely redirected to the AC lounge next door. FYI, the AC lounge only has packaged snacks.
165 david_itl : Today's NZ39 diverted to MAN due snow.
166 aerokiwi : Because I agreed with them then and disagree with them now. Likewise you've done a 180 because you support their current stance. I believe (and corre
167 mariner : I've always supported approval so how is that a 180? I still disagree with some of the provisions he has demanded, I think the three year limit is de
168 NZ6 : Aerokiwi, I hate to be rude but I feel airline management isn't for forte in life. The underlying fact remains, airlines are there to make money, airl
169 zkojh : good to see NZ at MAN finally, even if it was due to WX at LHR. did they not fancy bringing long a contract to sign to MAG for operations haha.
170 planemanofnz : Add to that CI from January and CZ from April.
171 Post contains links 777ER : This article is very interesting about NZ. Talks about their bankruptcy in 2001 to the beginning of a new era with the B77W http://www.stuff.co.nz/bus
172 NZ6 : Yes i forgot these ones, I could have also said Etihad have been watching the market for a while as well.
173 NZ107 : IIRC, EK currently exercise all the 5th freedom rights allowed for trans Tasman travel of UAE carriers.. Unless this has been modified since but I wo
174 777ER : Thanks Nick. Didn't even know it was the 7th bday today. 7 years has certainly flowen by!
175 NZ1 : Nothing to do with windflow disruption. I'm not at liberty to go into too much detail, except to say that these grey winglets are temporary, and you
176 Kaiarahi : Never know. I've tried it several times without luck when I've flown J on NZ (I'm also * Gold) and had long layovers for flights to YYZ/YOW. Happy a.
177 david_itl : Think today's NZ39 ended up at PIK
178 Post contains images purplebox : And yesterdays NZ39 ended up at MAN - NZ diversifying away from LHR at long last .
179 NZ5 : I'd guess it's a repaint then...
180 david_itl : And this has departed as NZ38 a few minutes ago (2305 on 19.12.2010). So one NZ 777 back earning some money!
181 777ER : Would be surprised if they didn't allow an NZ FF to use the showers or even use the lounge instead of ACs till departure or closing (which ever is fi
182 777ER : Anyone know why MacAir Saab340B VH-UYA is sitting outside the Vincent Aviation Hangers at WLG in an all white scheme? Sure is nice to see a Saab again
183 PA515 : Vincent have aquired two MacAir 340B's. VH-UYN arrived WLG 18th October. PA515[Edited 2010-12-19 22:49:21]
184 PA515 : ZK-OKN is on the flightline at KPAE. PA515
185 777ER : Oh yea, I remember reading about that ages ago
186 duff : I just hope they're under warranty
187 777ER : Sitting in the AKL International Koru lounge after walking throu the new departure area after Customs and I'm very impressed with the S P A C I O U S
188 Post contains links MD-90 : May I say that Will Coxhead (the FA) had exactly the right response to this silly complaint? I thought the video was fabulous and extremely well done
189 777ER : ZK-NBT has just departed LAX enroute to AKL operating NZ6880. While my flight (NZ2) was taxing to the terminal I spotted an NZ B744 sitting at the far
190 Post contains links NZ107 : Airline Alliance Approved NZ Govt have approved of the alliance for the 3 years. Bring on flying DJ's 738s under NZ! Interesting times ahead..
191 NZdsgnr : I was actually reading an article in the local gay newspaper and it was a gay man who put the complaint forward and it pretty much got ignored until
192 777ER : On the WLG-AKL flight yesterday the kiss reject was removed but on the AKL-LAX the 'crazy about rugby' video also now plays on the B744 (anyone know
193 ash185 : Just regarding the Virgin alliance with Delta, was that just flight from Oz to the USA or also from NZ? I just read that Pacific Blue and Delta are ap
194 MD-90 : Yeah the article I linked mentioned that. I still think it was cute.
195 aflyingkiwi : Looking forward to what kind of schedule will be made available. That would be good for DL, I think Delta only code shares on KE's services in AKL wh
196 cchan : Any idea when will this happen, and which routes will be on DJ aircrafts?
197 Post contains links macilree : There is a reference in the New Zealand Ministry of Transport's final report (see paragraph 21 on page 4) to the Alliance taking six to seven months
198 koruman : I'm currently sitting in a hotel at LHR, watching empty runways, as my LHR-MAN flight was cancelled after three great NZ flights BNE-AKL-LAX-LHR. I sh
199 cchan : Thank you for the link. I am a bit curious about the [confidential] points on page 5, point 30, that seem to be the information we are keen to know.
200 Kaiarahi : Good for you! But you probably have NZ Airpoints * Gold, whereas mine are AC Aeroplan.
201 NZdsgnr : so anyone has seen that very white 77W in akl?
202 aflyingkiwi : The plane is due to arrive in AKL on the 24th December. I believe the ETA is 0800? Regards aflyingkiwi
203 Post contains links NZdsgnr : ok, i was still going by this thread : 1st NZ 773ER Delivery Flight Details (by NZ1 Nov 16 2010 in Civil Aviation) on another note... Xmas wishes fro
204 Post contains links axio : Strong winds caused a few problems domestically yesterday, including for myself: Weather Affected PMR-DUD (by axio Dec 21 2010 in Trip Reports)
205 777ER : Yea I'm Airpoints Gold, but I was surprised I was allowed entry since my next flight was with AC. The AC lounge is very small at LAX!
206 QF108 : Read a news report today that the Singapore 777 landed on the short runway at Chch this morning due to the howling Norwester...that would have been a
207 purplebox : I was waiting for my flight to NSN at CHC a few years back and watched two B777's land on the cross runway (R29). First was the SQ which did it textb
208 Post contains links zkojh : Boeing Dreamliner proving more of a nightmare Boeing's new Dreamliner jet is supposed to revolutionise commercial air travel but it is proving more of
209 MD-90 : No kidding! I wanted to fly Delta to NZ last year for the Skymiles but no way in heck was I going to fly HSV-ATL-LAX-ICN-AKL when I could drive to Na
210 sunrisevalley : I see ZK OKM is on the way, presently about 1-hr out of LAX. Assume the route is PAE-LAX-AKL as NZ1 originally reported. Track her on Flightaware as
211 cchan : Just read on ATW online that NZ is considering 777-200LR because of the 787 delays. Would NZ cancel the 787 order altogether?
212 sunrisevalley : NZ 6393 LAX-AKL
213 aflyingkiwi : Correction, according to the AKL Airport's website, the plane will land at 0845. Regards aflyingkiwi[Edited 2010-12-22 19:32:49]
214 kiwiandrew : The way the article is phrased it seems to suggest that they still want the 787 , but that they are looking at other options to help them get through
215 cchan : I have been thinking, does NZ need the 787 or can they build their fleet with 763 and various 777 models to achieve the plans? Although the 787 looks
216 Post contains images kiwiandrew : I have a real fondness for the 763 . It was a great aircraft in it's time ( and still one of the nicest in Y with 2-3-2 seating ) but it is an old de
217 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread #89 - Merry Christmas (by 777ER Dec 22 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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