PI767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2706 times:
Were Air Toronto and Ontario Express the same airline?
I am looking at an old Official Airline Guide from 1991 and for EVERY Air Toronto/Air Canada Connector flight there was an IDENTICAL Ontario Express/Canadian Partner flight pending government approval.
Exact same schedules and aircraft but operating with two different IATA codes (CS for Air Toronto and 9X for Ontario Express).
It makes me think these airlines could have been one in the same...but two different names, two different IATA codes and different marketing names (Air Canada Connector and Canadian Partner) makes me wonder.
They were two different airlines. Air Toronto, using BAe Jetstream 31s, served a similar role for AC then as Air Georgian, which now operates many AC regional routes (largely to smaller US destinations) with Beech 1900Ds, while Jazz operates CRJs and Dash 8s on busier routes.
I'm guessing that the schedules you refer to indicated that AC was dropping the route in question and CP was taking it over, pending government approval, and once the change had been approved the AC flights would then presumably have been eliminated from the schedules.
longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2556 times:
If I recall, Canadi>n purchased Air Toronto, and merged it into Ontario Express/Canadi>n Partner.
Before the purchase it was an "Air Canada Connector" in the red/burgundy and white paint scheme, and after it was a part of Canadi>n Partner / Canadi>n Regional Airlines. It would appear that as Viscount724 above states, you caught a snapshot schedule just as the transfer was occurring
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NorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3150 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2527 times:
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you did catch a snapshot...
The details as i recall them:
The company that ran Air Toronto was bankrupt (Soundair, also ran Odessey International) and wanted to sell Air Toronto off. Air Canada put in a bid but Canadian was desperate for more Toronto feed at the time and outbid them. There was a nasty legal bout but Canadian won, bought Air Toronto (that didn't have an AOC of it's own, it used Soundair's) and Canadian relaunched it as Ontario Express, they also ordered 3 EMB-120s for the airline to operate in place of the CV580 Air Ontario was leasing Air Toronto that was not coming over.
Before the move Air Toronto was strictly a US destination airline, small to mid sized us cities within range of YYZ. (GRR, IND, CMH, etc)
CP converted it into a full connection airline, used it to domestic points like YYB, YGK and YTS.
They later merged it into the Canadian Regional operation and the smaller aircraft were slowly paired off, eventually the smallest cities were moved to the new operation by Air Georgian.
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