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Ryanair Pilot Who Criticized O'Leary Resigns  
User currently offlineHBGDS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10201 times:

Fair use quote from the Financial Times:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8954e9c8-0...29-00144feab49a.html#ixzz17PVnLmwj

The Ryanair pilot who said the airline should replace Michael O’Leary, the low-cost airline’s chief executive, with a junior flight attendant to save money has quit after being reassigned from southern France to the “Siberia” of a base in Lithuania.
(...)


In a letter to the Financial Times, Capt Fischer suggested his own idea to shave costs: replacing Mr O’Leary with a “probationary cabin crew member currently earning about €13,200 net a year”.

I guess only the boss gets to make provocative statements. Nothing new under the Ryanair sun.

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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10036 times:

Well, if anybody still doubted, the egomaniacal, despotic, arrogant and antipathetic nature of O'Leary, there you go.

I doubt that this will come as a surprise to anyone, though.
A CEOs public image is usually only a performance for the shareholders, and their vain personality is unable to tolerate any kind of criticism from below.

That guy is definitely a study case for a psychology class.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineb78710 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9894 times:

If you don't agree with your employers ethos, you either leave, or keep your feelings to yourself.

What was he expecting? Idiot.


User currently offlineicna05e From France, joined Feb 2006, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9878 times:

I don't think it's that. The only "southern France" base is Marseille and it's closing this december. Planes and staff are ALL relocated, agree some to Spain and Italy and others to Lithuania. But he is not alone in that case, and I would even dare to say that he was "picked up" to be sent to Lithuania by chance (or more likely, seniority list).

I am pretty sure if it had come down to Mikey O'Leary, this guy would have a promotion for doing him a favor: free publicity.


User currently offlinegosimeon From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9866 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 1):
Well, if anybody still doubted, the egomaniacal, despotic, arrogant and antipathetic nature of O'Leary, there you go.

I'm gonna defend MOL here. The pilot came out and publicly criticized him. O'Leary moved him to another base, as I am sure the pilots contract said could happen. Sure, it was most likely revenge from O'Leary, but he had the right to do this all the same. Sometimes you are better off not trying to bite at the hand that feeds you!

I read a good book about O'Leary and Ryanair a while back. He is well able to stand up for himself and his company, and has no time for employing people who do not support the Ryanair way. That's part of the reason why he is one of the most successful businessmen in recent European history.


User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9675 times:

Quoting HBGDS (Thread starter):

I guess only the boss gets to make provocative statements.

If a DL captain suggested that Richard Anderson should be replaced with a junior cabin crew worker to save costs then what do you think would happen?


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4361 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9645 times:

If it is true that the Marseille base was closed, this FR and MoL bashing is as badly grounded as most others.

User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 552 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9451 times:
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Quoting Woof (Reply 5):
If a DL captain suggested that Richard Anderson should be replaced with a junior cabin crew worker to save costs then what do you think would happen?

Nothing.


User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9414 times:

I hate MO'L as well, but I'd expect to be fired if I publicly criticised my boss. It's the same as a UK doctor coming out and slating their NHS Trust which has happended in the past...you wouldn't last very long!

User currently offlinebj87 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9315 times:

I doubt he was relocated there because of his statement. His statement gave Ryanair quite a bit of publicity, and for a media horny guy like O'Leary any publicity is good publicity. Then again maybe he didn't like it and sought revenge.

User currently offlinerolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1796 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9266 times:

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 4):
Sure, it was most likely revenge from O'Leary, but he had the right to do this all the same.

No. Things as you described are abuse of power.



rolf
User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6109 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9155 times:

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 4):
I read a good book about O'Leary and Ryanair a while back. He is well able to stand up for himself and his company, and has no time for employing people who do not support the Ryanair way. That's part of the reason why he is one of the most successful businessmen in recent European history.

Well, taking revenge on the guy like that (if it's what happened) doesn't look like "stand up for himself" at all ! And if anything what the pilot said is exactly the Ryanair way ! Not that I'd expect O'Leary to quit or be removed, however I'd expect him to respond (publicly) something like "good idea, I'll put it on my list next to the pay per use toilet paper".



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9102 times:
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Quoting b78710 (Reply 2):
If you don't agree with your employers ethos, you either leave, or keep your feelings to yourself.

The pilots statement was only backing up the CEO attitude of not paying for a Lexus when you only need a Skoda.

Quoting icna05e (Reply 3):
am pretty sure if it had come down to Mikey O'Leary, this guy would have a promotion for doing him a favor: free publicity.

The 'official' FR response to the comment was to laugh WITH the pilot and agree with him.

And I agree that FR crews regularly get posted to farflung bases. I know a girl who joined as cabin crew at age 18 hoping for Ireland or UK base, was sent to Italy for 3 years. If the South of France base was closing maybe the only growing bases were along the Baltic Sea (hardly Siberia)


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9038 times:

Quoting HBGDS (Thread starter):
I guess only the boss gets to make provocative statements. Nothing new under the Ryanair sun.
Quoting francoflier (Reply 1):
Well, if anybody still doubted, the egomaniacal, despotic, arrogant and antipathetic nature of O'Leary, there you go.

I doubt that this will come as a surprise to anyone, though.
A CEOs public image is usually only a performance for the shareholders, and their vain personality is unable to tolerate any kind of criticism from below.

Sorry, can these be carefully explained to me as the thought process is obviously beyond me? Tell me, in what industry/employment can one openly criticise their superior (especially their CEO) and not expect repercussions. Indeed, by suggesting replacement of a CEO by a junior FA, this went beyond completely non-professional conduct and certainly into the realm of gross misconduct. So, let's get off the soap boxes here and the fashionable O'Leary rant, and honestly tell me the outcome would have been any different at any other airline, let alone any other industry. Go ahead and tell me had it been a BA pilot criticising Walsh in the same way nothing would have happened.

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 12):


The pilots statement was only backing up the CEO attitude of not paying for a Lexus when you only need a Skoda

It may well be, but not a view an employee openly discloses....and a pilot should have a lot more professionalism than that.

Quoting rolfen (Reply 10):
No. Things as you described are abuse of power.

Are they indeed, and a matter of opinion usually held by those who feel they are not subject to responsibility?


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3709 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8996 times:
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Quoting icna05e (Reply 3):
Planes and staff are ALL relocated, agree some to Spain and Italy and others to Lithuania.

And Lithuania is pretty far from Siberia. If your idea of down time is starring at starlets in bikini and monokini on the beach, yeah, it sucks, but other than that, it's a pretty good lifestyle and I can't seem to think what else you'd miss, except perhaps milder winters.



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User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8971 times:

My take on this thread from reading the first few comments, just another attempt at FR bashing by people who dont know the full story.


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User currently offlineAirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8827 times:

Quoting eicvd (Reply 15):
And Lithuania is pretty far from Siberia. If your idea of down time is starring at starlets in bikini and monokini on the beach, yeah, it sucks, but other than that, it's a pretty good lifestyle and I can't seem to think what else you'd miss, except perhaps milder winters.

Amen.

Lithuania has a growing economy, beautiful women, and a nice climate in the summer. Winter it does get cold, but so does Scandinavia, much of Northern & Central Europe, Russia, etc.... I really didn't see the need to take that poke at the country. I'd actually welcome being based there.

The pilot in question certainly could have commuted until his seniority permitted him to hold a base closer to home. He won't be the first airline pilot to have his base close out from under him, and he certainly won't be the last.

I think there is more to it than that. Perhaps with his B737NG time, he is headed to India or China to fly on a lucrative expat contract, or to the Middle East to work for one of the expat airlines (Emirates, Etihad, Qatar).


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6109 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8681 times:

BTW, we all know how Ryanair makes Irish contracts for its crew in France and other countries and how that didn't go well with the authorities. What do they do in a country like Lithuania where a local contract would be even better for the company than an Irish one ?


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User currently onlineairevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 866 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8519 times:

I´d prefer Kaunas over Marseille any day but that´s just a personal remark...


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User currently offlinerolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1796 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8268 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 13):
Quoting rolfen (Reply 10):
No. Things as you described are abuse of power.

Are they indeed, and a matter of opinion usually held by those who feel they are not subject to responsibility?

I'm not sure I understand your comment. You want to to hold him responsible for what? For offending management with inconsiderate comments?
Employees should be assigned according to what is best for the performance of the company. Personal problems should not get in the mix.
Making someone's life difficult so as to push them to resign - or to quench someone's thirst for revenge is wrong. Whether it is legal or not is the question that I am asking myself.
Personal problems can be solved by meetings - counseling - or anything like that. Business decisions and personal matters should be kept separated.
If there is a policy against offending comments and criticism towards management, then let it be applied. If not, then management should assume this situation and not try to seek revenge through other means.

[Edited 2010-12-07 09:49:45]


rolf
User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7934 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 17):
BTW, we all know how Ryanair makes Irish contracts for its crew in France and other countries and how that didn't go well with the authorities. What do they do in a country like Lithuania where a local contract would be even better for the company than an Irish one ?

There was a strong rumour at the end of 2005 that Ryanair would transfer its operations from an Irish certificate / jurisdiction onto a Latvian certificate in order to save costs. The staff situation is complex as I'm not sure exactly who the staff are employed by - perhaps someone closer to Ryanair can explain this.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7210 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6871 times:

I am not a pilot, but making public statements about your employer without authority would be treated as gross misconduct in many firms.

I am no fan of MOL, but what did this guy expect, a medal?.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

Arguably constructive dismissal.

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7210 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5857 times:

Arguably constructive suicide.

User currently offlinewilco777 From France, joined Oct 2010, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

Would never fly for or with Ryanair under any circumstances! It's a company which clearly has no values and ethics towards it's employes and even less respect for their passengers. Shame on you Ryanair!!!

25 GoBoeing : They need a union when working for such a crap employer.
26 777236ER : Jokes about suicide aside, apparently punishing an employee outside of the disciplinary process, resulting in them leaving, is constructive dismissal
27 Woof : They sure are, but what evidence is there to suggest he was punished? If he was not the only FR employee reassigned to that base then he wasn't singl
28 lewis : If I have a confrontation (even in a personal level) with my supervisor/employer/boss/CEO or if I try to make smart*** comments in the press, no matt
29 rolfen : Exactly.
30 MCOflyer : I blog about my adventures working where I am employed. My bosses know it and HR does too. I do not say and negative thing about them nor do I intend
31 lalib : So glad I read this post. I'm going to be careful about throwing a hissy fit at work - all directed to our mgmt of course.
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