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DL Front Facing Agents Reject IAM  
User currently offlinetlhgator From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 75 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10955 times:

Just coming out now on Delta Net and on the AJC website that above wing front facing, cargo, and res agents rejected IAM representation.
http://www.ajc.com/business/delta-customer-service-workers-769242.html

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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10936 times:

Happy days are here again!!!


Just accept that some days, you're the pigeon, and other days the statue
User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10940 times:

From a union perspective, this one has got to hurt.
Let's see what they come up with now just to keep these dues coming in...



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User currently offlineNYCAdvantage From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10598 times:

I guess They should just pack get the heck out of Delta and set camp to cry else where, any way congratulation to all of Delta employees that voted Pro or Con, I guess all of you won.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10386 times:

This one was a true landslide.

Of 12,518 voters, there were 8,746 no votes with 3,638 for the IAM and 134 write-ins. Wow.

We all know though, that DL twisted the arms of the 70% that voted against union representation.  



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6489 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10282 times:

Quoting Delimit (Reply 3):
NMB complaint incoming in 5...4....3...2....1....

According to Bloomberg, the IAM is already claiming interference.


User currently offlineskyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10254 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
Of 12,518 voters, there were 8,746 no votes with 3,638 for the IAM and 134 write-ins.

What is your source? I just checked the NMB website. There is nothing on there.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6489 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10173 times:

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 7):
What is your source? I just checked the NMB website. There is nothing on there.

The numbers are on Bloomberg


User currently offlinetlhgator From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10174 times:

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 7):
What is your source? I just checked the NMB website. There is nothing on there.

The AJC website along with articles on Reuters are all showing the vote results..
This sends a pretty clear message to the IAM, hopefully where claims of intereference have been made in other representation elections, can get cleared up relatively quickly and we can all move on and make this truly a great airline.


User currently offlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10146 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
Of 12,518 voters, there were 8,746 no votes with 3,638 for the IAM and 134 write-ins. Wow

Yup that's a clear message!! Now time to move on......


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10130 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
134 write-ins

Write-ins   ...as in write-in votes for representation by a union other than IAM?


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5071 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10119 times:

What happens to the already represented reservations and customer service agents from the NW side of it?


I Am A Different Animal!!
User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10097 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 11):
Delta Air Lines’ continued illegal interference in union elections has once again denied employees their legal right to elections free from intimidation. By December 9, 2010, the IAM will present evidence of interference to the National Mediation Board (NMB) regarding earlier elections for Fleet Service and Stock & Stores employees. Soon thereafter, the IAM will file its charges of interference in the Passenger Service election.

Disgraceful.....
The madness has got to stop....
No wonder nobody wants to hire....



Our Returning Champion
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9971 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 13):
What happens to the already represented reservations and customer service agents from the NW side of it?

Not much until the NMB sorts through the alleged interference claims.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1861 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9897 times:

Why can't the IAM get the point? Delta wants them like they wanted US Airways!

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9855 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 16):
So they should vote for something they didn't care about just for the sake of voting? Awesome logic...

I can't imagine anyone NOT having an opinion on how they should vote, yes or no. This is their own future that's being decided. Having said that, even if those 2918 had all voted yes, the IAM would have still lost. I just can't get my head around how such a landslide could have been affected by "interference".



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2669 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9817 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 11):
By December 9, 2010, the IAM will present evidence of interference to the National Mediation Board (NMB) regarding earlier elections for Fleet Service and Stock & Stores employees

Interested to see what evidence they have... seems like sore losers to me.



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User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9757 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 17):
Having said that, even if those 2918 had all voted yes,

*How* people would've voted wasn't the point of my (now deleted) post. I just can't wrap my head around anyone not caring enough to even participate. IMO, these people seemingly don't have a vested interest in the long term future of DL, and are not the kind of people I want to spend the rest of my career surrounded by.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9717 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 13):
What happens to the already represented reservations and customer service agents from the NW side of it?

Nothing really. DL will cut off payroll dues deductions as of 08Dec10. They did the same thing for stores, F/As and below wing; last dues payment as of the day the results posted. IAM will get paid for the 1st through the 7th.

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 19):
*How* people would've voted wasn't the point of my (now deleted) post. I just can't wrap my head around anyone not caring enough to even participate. IMO, these people seemingly don't have a vested interest in the long term future of DL, and are not the kind of people I want to spend the rest of my career surrounded by.

  



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9659 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 17):
*How* people would've voted wasn't the point of my (now deleted) post. I just can't wrap my head around anyone not caring enough to even participate. IMO, these people seemingly don't have a vested interest in the long term future of DL, and are not the kind of people I want to spend the rest of my career surrounded by.

I think that's what I was alluding to in post #15.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4753 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9618 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 17):
IMO, these people seemingly don't have a vested interest in the long term future of DL, and are not the kind of people I want to spend the rest of my career surrounded by.

Had everyone voted no, would you still want to spend your career surrounded by these people?



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9605 times:

I think he meant the indifferent, non-voting types.


Just accept that some days, you're the pigeon, and other days the statue
User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 977 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9560 times:

The results are interesting, but unfortunate. What I don't understand is why workers in the US do not have the same positive image of unions as workers in Europe, who often make twice as much and reap many more benefits (such as considerable time off and better working conditions). I think the results are a much more worrisome statement about the social conditions of the US than we realize. When workers do not unionize, that limits collective bargaining, and when that is limited, there can be no influence on the part of labor at the federal level, or representative group that ensures regular pay increases and improvements in working conditions in tandem with increased profits.

There is much more to this than meets the eye and is beyond whether or not the IAM is a good union. It has much to do with a loss of hope among American workers, who have given up believing that organized labor can actually do something for them. A very sad thought indeed.


User currently offlineSurprise From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 133 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9548 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 15):
I can't imagine anyone NOT having an opinion on how they should vote, yes or no. This is their own future that's being decided. Having said that, even if those 2918 had all voted yes, the IAM would have still lost. I just can't get my head around how such a landslide could have been affected by "interference".
Quoting nwaesc (Reply 17):
I just can't wrap my head around anyone not caring enough to even participate. IMO, these people seemingly don't have a vested interest in the long term future of DL,

I've thought a lot about this starting with the below wing groups election. After all the emphasis put on voting by both DL and IAM the only thing I can come up with is the part time employees at Delta. For a lot of them this isn't a career. It's just a job for the time being. School, military, other jobs, whatever the reason they aren't at Delta for the long term and maybe don't really care one way or the other. Anyway, it's about the only reason I've come up with.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13634 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9489 times:
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So - will District 143 now be combined with another District since they lost the majority of their membership? Per an IAM steward at AS - who is also a District 143 officer - this has been raised as a possibility.


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25 Post contains links FlyASAGuy2005 : Please. This is nothing new for DL. So, they "lost hope" during all the other times the unions had tried to represent the FAs/ACS/mechanics? You are
26 Maverick623 : I can't speak for how unions work in other countries, but here in the US they are extremely corrupt and self-serving, all the way from the top (Canal
27 FlyASAGuy2005 : I wasn't discounting the fact that there are more non-union workers than unionized workers. All i'm saying is that to look at what is going on at DL
28 adtall : But then, if the company's profits go south and become losses, what then? The scenario you laid out is an employee's dream, but would employees then
29 MSPNWA : The large number of non-voters should be the most interesting number in this election. I just don't understand it. But, I'm not surprised either. A fe
30 SkyPriorityDTW : This is like a breath of fresh air. I DO NOT need someone to speak for me, thank you very much. Unions are so corrupt it's not even funny... they just
31 tlhgator : I normally don't jump on the pro/anti union bandwagon, but.... I don't see much of a positive image for unions in Europe, using Europe as the example
32 jetlanta : Melodramatic much? Delta has been primarily non-union for 80+ years. If the American worker lost hope, they lost it around 1924, if you want to use t
33 usdcaguy : Are you implying that we should not form collective bargaining units because collective bargaining units go on strike, and that avoiding strikes is t
34 Post contains links skyguyB727 : You make an excellent point. Working conditions are much better in Europe. Just take a look at the check-in counters at any European airport. Do you
35 usdcaguy : Then the company will declare bankruptcy, go to the judge and have the contracts invalidated. It will be like nothing happened. At least, however, sa
36 mayor : I think you have. I'd rather get you stopped. I've seen several DL check-in locations around the system that are exactly like this. The only thing th
37 MSPNWA : That would also be inaccurate to conclude. In this vote, non-union employees outnumbered union employees by more than 2 to 1. The no/yes vote was abo
38 mayor : Only if you assume that those that didn't vote were all PMDL and would have voted no. But you don't know that and neither do I. Once the complaint fo
39 adtall : Yes, having those written, legally-binding contracts that unions make a huge selling point of mean nothing when push comes to shove. Sweet. And havin
40 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : So is Georgia (where most of DL's employees are located/work) and many other states across the US. What's your point. Yet, here we are with the peopl
41 MSPNWA : That assumption wouldn't be correct. If all the non-voting employees would have voted "no", and we add those votes to the total, then we could proper
42 skyguyB727 : 1--Protection from unjust termination. Without a union, in "employment at will" states, any employee can be terminated at any time for any reason or
43 Post contains images EA CO AS : And pro-union folks wonder why most people don't support them....
44 Post contains images nwaesc : At least they would've cared enough to participate... Excellent point, and well put. I'm not surprised that people have mocked your words, either. Th
45 Post contains links swa4life : I don't think it's a true statement that most American workers are anti-union. I think this forum serves as a very skewed sampling of the collective a
46 EA CO AS : If someone is being terminated, I can't think of a single member of management that would dare proceed without a union rep present. In fact, they'd i
47 nwaesc : Actually, DL has come right out and said that they're aiming for "standard," not "leading" pay. What'll be interesting to see is how they react to bo
48 johns624 : The DL pilots are loving this. They know that since they are the only unionized faction, that they have the most power. You can bet that they'll never
49 nwaesc : Dispatchers at DL are also represented (PAFCA)...
50 luckyone : I find that a bitch of a stretch...have you ever heard of OSHA?? I worked in a private, non union factory and we had more OSHA regulations to follow
51 goldenstate : A clean sweep for Delta. Wow. In base pay, yes. Add in an industry leading profit sharing plan and in years when Delta does well, employees do very we
52 PagoFlyer : One good thing about the unions.....they protect the incompetent....
53 nwaesc : Without representation, they don't have to ask.
54 peanuts : I'm in favor of a re-vote. Sometimes, a message to the hard of hearing needs to be sent twice... In the meantime, IAM would be demonstrating how selfi
55 goldenstate : And yet, as the rest of the industry so clearly demonstrated during this last round of concessionary contracts, represented groups didn't really fare
56 MaverickM11 : This will be the fifth time no?
57 Post contains images goldenstate : But don't you realize? These people were all victimized by Delta management!
58 nwaesc : For many (myself included) things like scope, retiree medical, and so on are far more beneficial than a base rate (and of course, some of those benef
59 SEPilot : The reason is simple; the unions have given themselves bad reputations by bad behavior, including coercive tactics. Companies have realized that havi
60 FlyASAGuy2005 : Very well, thought out post SEP... Unfortunately, most seem to think it's their way or the highway ("What? You don't want to be unionized! You must b
61 mayor : Historically, at DL, it's been very, very difficult to get yourself fired. Matter of fact, I've heard from ex-WA employees that were unionized say it
62 MaverickM11 : That and they've failed to deal with economic reality. Times have changed. Most of the unionized positions once upon a time had the expectation that
63 Flighty : Like a disease, a union only has to win once. You can protect yourself against them with good behavior from mgmt and the line workers. But still, ther
64 skyguyB727 : It's the voice of experiece. One of the first things I did after being hired and told that there was no company provided hearing protection was to go
65 skyguyB727 : My point is that in an employment-at-will state, an employer can fire an employee at any time for any reason or for no reason at all. A person could
66 adtall : 1 - seriously, do you really think that managers at non-unionized companies in at-will states just go around randomly pointing fingers at people and
67 ocracoke : Plus shift differential, plus kept union fees, plus (from my sources) since a number of supervisors at various DL stations let the employees leave 1/
68 mayor : Whether Georgia is that way or not, really doesn't apply to DL as they are one of the most diverse companies out there.
69 skyguyB727 : Does DL do that? That would make for a lot of unproductive downtime. The point I was making was that in a unionized environment, during an RIF, an em
70 F9Animal : So, I take it that the currently represented employees from NW are now going to be non union? Sorry for the followup question, I am just trying to ge
71 adtall : True, shift diff is .54 on midnights and .45 on evening shift, and I would say most nights everybody gets out early on evening shift. Hopefully you'r
72 skyguyB727 : Oh, but it does apply to DL or any other company for that matter. If a gay employee has a homophobic manager with an agenda, what would prevent that
73 mayor : No, and I didn't imply that they did. It just sounded like that was something that NW was doing. As for the leaves of absence, those people always ha
74 skyguyB727 : As of today, those employees are non-union. The contracts are officially void. Have you checked out the real estate market recently? Home sales are a
75 Post contains images nwaesc : That statement assumes people want to follow the Thomas Friedmans of the world (who, ironically, has become extremely wealthy convincing others to bu
76 MaverickM11 : That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that airlines can't afford to make it a position with lifetime career and earning expectations.
77 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Could have fooled me. I thought this was what this country was built on Hence why there was a voting process, no?...hmmm At last, I cannot wait until
78 Post contains links OOer : Really? "According to NLRB Annual Reports, between fiscal years 2002 and 2004, an average of 22,000 unfair labor practice charges were lodged against
79 nwaesc : Capitalism =/= Democracy; they're 2 separate things.
80 goldenstate : These straw man arguments grow tiresome. Rogue manager? Really? Explain how exactly employees get the shaft. Provide a reputable source for this high
81 PSU.DTW.SCE : There is a lot that prevents a rogue manager from just firing someone, in most companies, union or non-union, they do not have the authority to make
82 SEPilot : This has no relevance whatsoever. Union coercion rarely gets any official attention; the workers involved are usually (justifiably) afraid to complai
83 Post contains images PGNCS : Well since the unions aren't paying the employees, you would certainly expect more complaints about unfair labor practices lodged against companies t
84 nwaesc : Great. Show me one example from the NW side (or DL, for that matter), where that's occurred. I'm not disputing what he said. As for why I asked? I've
85 MaverickM11 : Aren't unions a small minority of all companies? What's the rate per employee? WN never had to deal with Deregulation. Unless you have the memory of
86 SEPilot : I have never worked for either, so I cannot. However, I can attest that in the company I worked at for most of my career (which had a union in the sh
87 AADC10 : There are other unions besides IAM, although I believe IAM is the largest union for customer contact employees. Some have groused that the IAM is mor
88 SEPilot : Because we have seen unions destroy companies, and hence jobs.
89 FlyASAGuy2005 : Super post (no, really) but being blue collar does not mean you will or should automatically like a union environment.
90 Post contains images rwy04lga : I tried getting in at several airlines in my younger days (2 uncles were rampers in TPA), but none were hiring. The Feds tapped me at 21 and I stayed
91 adtall : Yeah, it sucks for you, I agree. How does that then make it OK to screw someone else and make him do the same thing? Also, I'd prefer not to do eithe
92 Prinair : Congratulations to the DL workers for making the right choice. If we could only get rid of the IAM at my airline instead of paying monthly dues to tho
93 swa4life : And now the picture becomes more clear. Clearly working in a "mixed shop" and being among the non-union group has left a bad taste in your mouth.
94 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Paint with a rather large brush don't you? You must have access to DL's manpower files to know how many years these "ready reservists" and PT employe
95 Post contains images rwy04lga : Thanks! But you can rejoice, according to some on this board, it's 'Easy' to decertify a union....isn't it? It isn't? Or has enlightened him. I've ta
96 swa4life : And why do you assume that I don't? Believe it or not, many of us on here ARE indeed airline employees. I work at a small airport and work side by si
97 adtall : Umm, yeah, on the external site that's all there is, which is what he said. On the internal site, which the public can't see, those FT positions are
98 SEPilot : No, seeing the damage done by the union, both in my shop and the others that I have been in (mostly while working for this company) has left a bad ta
99 Post contains images nwaesc : but it's okay to comment as if you had? Awesome. Your arms hurt from wielding that broad brush? YES. "We?" You were discussing bumping other employee
100 FlyASAGuy2005 : I wasn't arguing that point. What' i'm saying is I do not get how someone that does not have first hand knowledge know if someone is a "career worker
101 SEPilot : My replies have all been about unions in general; I have never claimed any knowledge about the particulars in these cases. Those of us who do not lik
102 mayor : Not even close.........it was DL that actually tried to get people to take early retirements and leaves of absence BEFORE they had to do any involunt
103 adtall : I'm pretty sure that as a significant job classification category RRs didn't exist until maybe late 2007-2008, so tripling it wasn't a huge feat, as
104 SNCntry32 : If another goverment agency has juristiction over the field (FAA) OSHA cant get invovled; AFA has been fighting to get OSHA and the FAA to work toget
105 johns624 : All I know is that the pilots are the best educated group at the airline and if they think that they need a union, then there must be something to it.
106 adtall : Um, no. Pilots do not know everything. That they believe a union is best for their situation doesn't correspond to another different situation.
107 luckyone : If that's what let you sleep better...it's amazing how so many of us managed to work just fine without a union...it's called brains and balls....
108 jetlanta : Best educated? Best trained is a more accurate statement.
109 NWAdeicer : Kinda wanted to stay out of this revolving argument, but this post just needed to be responded to. What exactly does "brains and balls" have to do wi
110 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Unions still have yet to master turning around a weak economy, changing the weather, or increasing revenue.
111 skyguyB727 : What sucks for me? I'm happily employed in a job I enjoy and living in a city I enjoy living in. Like you, I am also a homeowner. Sounds pretty good
112 Post contains images adtall : I meant in the hypothetical if you were RIF'd and had to go to another station, that's all. It is pretty good doing what you like in a good city, ain
113 FlyASAGuy2005 : I would go a little further back. RR really started to boom around 2005 when DFW was shut down (although that was a DGS station anyway) but it had be
114 Post contains images mayor : Actually, as a program, RR started in the mid 80's, but I can't give you any figures as to how many were involved at first. So many SkyGods jokes and
115 F9Animal : For those of you familiar with me, I am a union supporter. However, I applaud the employees at DL for voting, and deciding for themselves what they fe
116 adtall : OK, but how big was the program before the bankruptcy and it got big around 2005? I remember it coming on big during early 2008 in ATL, but before? W
117 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : There were RRs in ATL long before 2005. Just didn't know who they were or where they worked Back then, it really was in their playing field. They let
118 OOer : Like Delta?
119 adtall : OK, they were darn invisible back then though. I was more familiar with vacation relief for vacations and such back then too, but if they were there,
120 Acey559 : It's funny you mention that, and I know what you mean. I find it amusing that a manager isn't allowed to speak with his/her employees about why a uni
121 swa4life : What exactly is the difference between working for Delta or any of Delta's regional airlines like Comair, ASA etc.. Is the pay and benefits exactly t
122 bobnwa : Can you give some examples of this at Delta or any company recently?
123 Post contains images dlflynhayn : I was one of the few RR hired in 1994 and worked as a RR for almost a year untill i was offered PT and FT positions.I really saw a lot of RR hiring i
124 nwaesc : can't speak for AA, but at NW, they're required at all times. Period.
125 Surprise : Surprisingly steel toe shoes is not an OSHA requirement on the ramp and is left up to individual companies to decide if they are necessary.
126 rwy04lga : No it isn't, and you know it. The time and resources needed to be the straw man and fight against an established union are beyond the means any one p
127 swa4life : And thank god.. I've never worn steel toe boots on the ramp and I likely never will.. It makes for a much easier day when you're not clunking around
128 Post contains images CV880 : Those puny little 737's aren't heavy enuf to hurt you when they run over your toes.
129 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : To the contrary. I wore shoes that looked like regular black tennis shoes but they were steel toed. Not bothersome at all IMHO. Most guys wear them n
130 AADC10 : Ah, the dreaded "jobs creator" myth. Jobs are created to fill demand. Only middle managers want to hire to increase their head count. Upper managemen
131 adtall : I can't imagine not having steel-toes on the ramp, I'vee sen several events personally where people's toes and feet were saved or had much less damag
132 FlyASAGuy2005 : If you were talking to me 10 years ago maybe I would have bought it. In today's climate, labor or not, the economy dictates that only the strongest w
133 Post contains images NWAdeicer : I have to disagree with this point. The union did have a hand in saving my position with NWA when NWA wanted to outsource every station save the 3 hu
134 mayor : I agree......before I retired, I had a couple of pairs of "safety" shoes (notice the lack of "steel toe"?) and they were some of the most comfortable
135 SNCntry32 : If you missed my earlier reply Ill say it again, OSHA has no authority over the airline industry since another government agency oversees the airline
136 KGRB : I find that hard to believe because the airline industry is *not* only regulated by the FAA, but also the DOT and NTSB. Why would OSHA not have autho
137 FlyASAGuy2005 : I agree on that point but what I was leaning towards and I should have been a little more specific is the worst case scenario type deal. In the most
138 goldenstate : Back when I started my airline career as a ramp agent, I agreed with you.... until a bag cart tongue slipped out of my hand on a rainy day, dropping
139 goldenstate : I don't know where you got that piece of information (the AFA, maybe?) but it's absolutely wrong. OSHA may not have any authority over inflight worki
140 NWAdeicer : I agree completely. What I feel is that there is a "Scoreboard!" type of mentality that is going on here. The "yay we won, deal with it" attitude" I
141 Surprise : I believe you are mistaken. I just walked into the break room and counted no less than 4 OHSA bulletins that are required to be posted in the workpla
142 FlyASAGuy2005 : Where did you hear that! Ever heard of the 3-step/foot rule? OSHA...
143 nwaesc : Sure it is. Get enough cards, petition, and have a vote. Like I said, both are equally hard/easy. They absolutely oversee facilities on the ground.
144 mayor : Exactly.........when I worked at ORD, we had a couple of forklifts that smoked pretty badly when they ran. No one seemed to realize how badly until t
145 Acey559 : To be honest, I'm not exactly sure how things align. Insofar as flight benefits, when I worked for OH, before the RE switchover, our flight benefits
146 goldenstate : Come on now. That's exactly the same as saying that it's as easy for a third party to win a presidential election as it is for the two major parties.
147 rwy04lga : Believe that fairy tale if you want, I prefer non-fiction. I think that it would be easier for a third party candidate to win a presidential election
148 nwaesc : No more or less false than the "you can always easily vote a union in in a year" mantra we hear repeatedly.
149 goldenstate : Based on the repeated attempts by major, well funded AFL-CIO unions to organize Delta workers over the last 15 years, I would respectfully disagree w
150 Post contains images mayor : Well, considering how badly they've done getting the votes, you may be correct.
151 SEPilot : You miss the point completely. If a company's costs rise it must charge more for its products. At a certain point someone will come along and offer t
152 cokepopper : You know your just trying to sell propaganda, and it looks like no one here is buying. 50% cards signed is NOT the same as 35%. Not Equal.
153 NWAdeicer : I believe that was AMFA not the IAM
154 FlyASAGuy2005 : It took them years to "fix" the bennys at EV. For one, after OO purchased them, they were all still flying straight S3 for at least 2 years. It staye
155 Surprise : Delta has a long history of treating its employee’s right. Have they been able to please every employee all the time? Most certainly not, who could?
156 nwaesc : I'm not selling anything. If people don't want to "buy" the truth, so be it. No matter how many times The C-suite tries to convince us otherwise, the
157 T5towbar : Just to ask a question. Now that the elections are over and the IAM/AFA have filed interference petitons (which hopefully be expedited and settled qui
158 Post contains images nwaesc : Everything is obviously status quo right now... Some cities have done combined bids, but AFAIK, only a few. More tot he point, the bids are still sep
159 T5towbar : Thanks for the info. From what I see on this board, it will be a work in progress blending the cultures together. That goes without saying in any mer
160 Post contains links nwaesc : I suspect that true trust will not occur so long as RA is driving the company truck. Fool me one, shame on me and all that... BTW, here's a pic of the
161 mayor : The trouble is, and I think this is one of Murphy's Laws, is that if you drop something on your foot, and you're wearing safety shoes, it always hits
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