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OAG Changes 12/10/2010: AA/AM/B6/CO/DL/F9/G4/MP  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9673 times:

This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.

How to read:
Flights are daily except as noted "/wk" which means per week.
ABE-MDT 2>10/WK means a reduction from 2 daily flights to 10 flights per week which is about 1.5 flights
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

Pretty quiet week, but some interesting stuff.

AA
ATL-MIA 7>6 APR-
BOS-JFK 8>5 APR- Code share coming with B6?
DFW-CMH 7>4 APR-
DFW-MTY 3>4 APR-
JFK-CLE 1>2 APR-
JFK-CMH 3>2 APR-
JFK-CVG 1>2 APR-
JFK-DCA 8>5 APR- Hmm...
JFK-ORD 1>2 APR-
JFK-PIT 1>2 APR-
JFK-YYZ 8>4 APR-
MIA-JAX 5>7 APR- DL REACTION
MIA-ORF 2>3 APR-
ORD-DTW 7>8 APR-
ORD-EVV 3>4 APR-
ORD-IND 8>7 APR-
ORD-SGF 2>3 APR-

AM
LAX-MEX 5>4 MAY-

B6
BOS-PBI 4>5 FEB-
BOS-RSW 5>6 FEB-
LAS-LGB 4>5 FEB- See G4 below

CO
GUM-ROP 0>2/WK MAY-

DL
ATL-DEN 9>8 MAR-APR
DTW-ICN 5/WK>4/WK APR-MAY; 5/WK>1 JUN- Must be good
DTW-HKG 5/WK>4/WK APR-MAY
DTW-PVG 1>5/WK APR-MAY
HNL-NRT 3>2 APR- They are expecting HND-HNL to kill NRT. I bet they are right.
SEA-PEK 5/WK>1 JUN- Surprised it's that successful.

F9
DEN-DFW 5>6 MAY-
DEN-LGA 2>3 MAR-
DEN-MDW 4>5 MAY-

G4
LAS-LGB 0>4/WK FEB-

MP
MCO-AMS 4/WK>0 APR-

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User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1925 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9561 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-CLE 1>2 APR-
JFK-CMH 3>2 APR-
JFK-CVG 1>2 APR-

Glad to see that most of AA's recent JFK additions seem to be working out.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9550 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DTW-PVG 1>5/WK APR-MAY

The reason for this won't be loaded until 11DEC.

I'm sure most of you could make an educated guess, and it's not due to poor performance.

[Edited 2010-12-08 08:56:15]

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9450 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
(AA)
BOS-JFK 8>5 APR- Code share coming with B6?

No, it just reverses the erroneous increase previously loaded last week or the week before. It's 5x daily now and was always going to stay 5x daily next summer. The apparent increase was an error as new CR7 flights were loaded without removing existing ERJ flights. Same for JFK-CMH, JFK-YYZ and JFK-DCA, all of which maintain the current frequency.

For summer 2011, AA has re-structured its JFK hub to form two distinct banks of transatlantic flights in each direction. The increases in JFK-CVG/CLE/PIT here, as well as the previous increases in JFK-ORD/DFW/MCO/LAS etc. provide feed to both banks.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9367 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
The reason for this won't be loaded until 11DEC.

I'm sure most of you could make an educated guess, and it's not due to poor performance

This route is going to become from 777 to a 744. Rumors had been circulating about this happening, particular since the 777 fleet will be heavily utilized next year.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9309 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 4):
This route is going to become from 777 to a 744.

Well, at least I didn't say it.  

The 744 is also returning to a few routes it's previously operated and is scheduled to take over a new one it's never before done.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5279 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9189 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DTW-ICN 5/WK>4/WK APR-MAY; 5/WK>1 JUN- Must be good

Nice to see this flight going daily, though it's not really all that surprising given that it's Skyteam hub to Skyteam hub.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DTW-HKG 5/WK>4/WK APR-MAY

Does this show going back up to 5 weekly after May?

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
The reason for this won't be loaded until 11DEC.

I'm sure most of you could make an educated guess, and it's not due to poor performance.

Hmmmmm, 744?  



Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8527 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MIA-ORF 2>3 APR-

WOW! That's pretty good. I think ORF is frequently overlooked, but hopefully this will start a trend..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8506 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BOS-JFK 8>5 APR- Code share coming with B6?
DFW-CMH 7>4 APR-
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-CMH 3>2 APR-
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-DCA 8>5 APR- Hmm...
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-YYZ 8>4 APR-

No reduction in any of these. Equipment is being switched and last week the new equipment flights were loaded and the old ones were not removed.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MIA-ORF 2>3 APR-

No increase. Schedule change is occurring and the new flight was added but old flight not removed.



a.
User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HNL-NRT 3>2 APR- They are expecting HND-HNL to kill NRT. I bet they are right.

Eh, I don't know if I would take that bet. I don't believe the additions to HND are making up for JL's loss of 747 capacity from NRT. I'd place blame more on the fact that it's HNL and Delta. Common theme lately.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8257 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 9):

Given the option of HND and NRT from HNL, i'll take HND all day..



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7963 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 1):
Glad to see that most of AA's recent JFK additions seem to be working out.

You must be from Ohio.  
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
I'm sure most of you could make an educated guess, and it's not due to poor performance.

747, huh? Even when it goes daily?

Quoting OA412 (Reply 6):
Does this show going back up to 5 weekly after May?

As you can see the reduction is just for 2 months. Then it's 5/wk again.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
No reduction in any of these. Equipment is being switched and last week the new equipment flights were loaded and the old ones were not removed.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
No increase. Schedule change is occurring and the new flight was added but old flight not removed.

What is wrong with AA? They can't schedule correctly any more?

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 9):
Eh, I don't know if I would take that bet. I don't believe the additions to HND are making up for JL's loss of 747 capacity from NRT. I'd place blame more on the fact that it's HNL and Delta. Common theme lately.

Keep in mind that HND is much better known to the Japanese point of sale which makes up virtually every passenger on HNL from Tokyo. They will quickly move to HND unless it's more expensive than NRT.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7713 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
Keep in mind that HND is much better known to the Japanese point of sale which makes up virtually every passenger on HNL from Tokyo. They will quickly move to HND unless it's more expensive than NRT.

   Given LHR and LGW, most are opting for LHR by and large unless LGW is more convenient for whatever reason.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlinedelta767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7639 times:

Is it true that DFW-GSO is going from 3

User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7474 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
Given the option of HND and NRT from HNL, i'll take HND all day..

That's beyond the point. Right now HND-HNL does have the capacity to be an option for everybody. Three daily 763s are just a fraction of the daily TYO capacity to HNL. Considering the large capacity drop from JL and their 747 retirements, a HNL-NRT cut this soon in the future appears to be for reasons beyond the currently small addition of HND to the market.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6805 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 12):
   Given LHR and LGW, most are opting for LHR by and large unless LGW is more convenient for whatever reason.

I'd say it'll be swifter for the foreign traffic than that was because LHR is not clearly better than LGW in any respect. HND is much closer to the population. LHR isn't downtown. I think it'll be much slower for Americans who have never heard of HND.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 14):
Given the option of HND and NRT from HNL, i'll take HND all day..

That's beyond the point. Right now HND-HNL does have the capacity to be an option for everybody. Three daily 763s are just a fraction of the daily TYO capacity to HNL. Considering the large capacity drop from JL and their 747 retirements, a HNL-NRT cut this soon in the future appears to be for reasons beyond the currently small addition of HND to the market.

Yes, it's because of poor bookings caused by HND hurting future bookings. Surely you aren't arguing that they are cutting the flight for a reason other than financial performance? HND is definitely gonna impact bookings.


User currently offlinedldtw1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6750 times:

Nice to see DL increasing it's international flights to Asia.

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6665 times:

Quoting dldtw1962 (Reply 16):

Nice to see DL increasing it's international flights to Asia.


Yeah, I get the impression from their quarterly call comments that it's the best stuff they've got right now.


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1925 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6642 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 1):
Glad to see that most of AA's recent JFK additions seem to be working out.

You must be from Ohio.

Not at all! I'm a Kentucky boy through and through   Really hoping that AA throws a JFK flight out to SDF soon.


User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3297 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6542 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 9):
Eh, I don't know if I would take that bet. I don't believe the additions to HND are making up for JL's loss of 747 capacity from NRT. I'd place blame more on the fact that it's HNL and Delta. Common theme lately.
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 14):
That's beyond the point. Right now HND-HNL does have the capacity to be an option for everybody. Three daily 763s are just a fraction of the daily TYO capacity to HNL. Considering the large capacity drop from JL and their 747 retirements, a HNL-NRT cut this soon in the future appears to be for reasons beyond the currently small addition of HND to the market.
Quoting enilria (Reply 15):

Yes, it's because of poor bookings caused by HND hurting future bookings. Surely you aren't arguing that they are cutting the flight for a reason other than financial performance? HND is definitely gonna impact bookings.

You are both off-base. Hawaii-Japan is a very big bright spot for Delta. It is safe to assume that further changes are yet to be loaded.


User currently offlinen9801f From Samoa, joined Apr 2004, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6374 times:

  
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 14):
Right now HND-HNL does have the capacity to be an option for everybody.


Hawaii-Japan can be a variable, boom/bust market - feast or famine. Also, since it's a leisure market, it can withstand schedule changes which a hub- or business market would not. My guess is changes in this market are driven by the desire to change other schedules to/from NRT. Also, I'm guessing DL is not abandoning any NRT slots. NRT is the dog and NRT-HNL is the tail...


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17511 posts, RR: 45
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
Yes, it's because of poor bookings caused by HND hurting future bookings. Surely you aren't arguing that they are cutting the flight for a reason other than financial performance? HND is definitely gonna impact bookings.

   I think it's safe to say that most HND bookings will simply be shifted from NRT, even a good bit of the offshore point of sale stuff where there is comparable service at both airports.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 5):
Well, at least I didn't say it.

The 744 is also returning to a few routes it's previously operated and is scheduled to take over a new one it's never before done.

Well here's what I've got so far:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DTW-ICN 5/WK>4/WK APR-MAY; 5/WK>1 JUN- Must be good
DTW-HKG 5/WK>4/WK APR-MAY
DTW-PVG 1>5/WK APR-MAY
HNL-NRT 3>2 APR- They are expecting HND-HNL to kill NRT. I bet they are right.
SEA-PEK 5/WK>1 JUN- Surprised it's that successful.

DTW-PVG currently shows 6x per week in Apr-May, operated with a 777 on Tue/Thu/Sun, and a 744 on Mon/Wed/Sat
DTW-NGO goes from a 4x per week 777 to a 5x per week 744 in April, restoring what had traditionally been a 744 route

What else is there? Btw, its now in the electronic timetable


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
What else is there? Btw, its now in the electronic timetable

Two flights on NRT-HNL, KIX-HNL, and it's new route of NRT-TPE.

It makes sense but I'm surprised by NRT-TPE's meteoric rise for equipment type. 75A to 76L to 333 to 744 in only a few months.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
DTW-PVG currently shows 6x per week in Apr-May, operated with a 777 on Tue/Thu/Sun, and a 744 on Mon/Wed/Sat

Beyond that it goes to 744-only. It's only a short period it runs as a hybrid of 777 and 744.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 23):
It makes sense but I'm surprised by NRT-TPE's meteoric rise for equipment type. 75A to 76L to 333 to 744 in only a few months.



Quite the upgauge wouldn't wou say Transpac!



What gets measured gets done.
25 PSU.DTW.SCE : Wow, as was long rumored, the 744 fleet utilization is going to be picking up drastically in 2011. First with the HND flying in a few months, then the
26 MSYtristar : Are JFK-NRT and JFK-TLV going to remain 744's as well?
27 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yep, I missed those, edited the list to put them back in. At first glance, assuming it doesn't change (it is DL, so it likely will) it looks like the
28 rangercarp : can they cover all those flights with 16 frames? That has to be cutting it close.
29 FL787 : It looks like NRT-NGO is ending in May so I guess DL is done with the 100% connection flights. Also ATL-PVG is showing as once weekly. It doesn't even
30 Post contains images enilria : Of course, one of Ohio's airports is in Kentucky...which I've yet to figure out! LOL Looks like the cut is verified. So jetlanta's argument is that i
31 n9801f : Looks like a slot-babysitter to me...
32 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : We will see quite the utilization of the 744s come summer of 2011 but with creative routings, there should still be enough slack to allow an operatio
33 Post contains images jetlanta : Yes you are missing my point.
34 bobnwa : I don't believe that CVG claims to be the airport for either Ohio or Kentucky. It just happens to be located right on the border but in Kentucky.
35 Post contains images Transpac787 : Considering I said "it makes sense", I am indeed aware of the reason behind the 75A>744 change
36 flyguy89 : It's why they've got that wonderfully lengthy name: The Greater Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport haha
37 enilria : At least its not "The Greater Cincinnati Barack Obama Northern Kentucky Trent Lott International Memorial Covington Airport."[Edited 2010-12-10 07:55
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