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Future Of LH 744 FRA-JFK  
User currently offlineb707forever From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 459 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 11310 times:

What is LH's plan vis-a-vis the 744 between FRA-JFK. WIll this service become A388 service anytime soon? I am booked on the 18th on LH404 which is normally 744 but it has been changed to A346, a disappointment for me and leaves me wondering if this change is permanent and the 744's are being taken off FRA-JFK?

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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11203 times:

Quoting b707forever (Thread starter):
LH404 which is normally 744 but it has been changed to A346, a disappointment for me and leaves me wondering if this change is permanent and the 744's are being taken off FRA-JFK?

Why on earth would the A346 be a disappointment over their 744s? They are considerably more modern, quieter, and all have the new AVOD PTV.

Quoting b707forever (Thread starter):
What is LH's plan vis-a-vis the 744 between FRA-JFK. WIll this service become A388 service anytime soon?

I'd be very surprised if LH did not put the big one on JFK at some stage. I'd guess it would be in the next year or so. But if you were that bothered, then you should have gone AF via CDG.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11085 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
Why on earth would the A346 be a disappointment over their 744s? They are considerably more modern, quieter, and all have the new AVOD PTV.

Amen. I had a last minute change recently and was swapped from a CO flight IAH-FRA to the LH 744 IAH-FRA and put in Y. Not the most pleasant experiance other than the free booze trying to make it tolerable...



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11028 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
Why on earth would the A346 be a disappointment over their 744s? They are considerably more modern, quieter, and all have the new AVOD PTV.
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 2):
Amen. I had a last minute change recently and was swapped from a CO flight IAH-FRA to the LH 744 IAH-FRA and put in Y. Not the most pleasant experiance other than the free booze trying to make it tolerable...

Absolutely. Plus the 744 has a 3-4-3 configuration while the A346s is 2-4-2, meaning less chance of a middle seat.

The same is true in premium classes: C is 2-3-2 on the B744, 2-2-2 on the A346, F is 2-2 on the 744 and 1-2-1 on the A346.

So the Airbus has:

- PTVs
- a quieter ride
- a more comfortable configuration
- a more pleasant cabin ambiance (in my opinion, it somehow feels a bit airier and more spacious, difficult to explain why)

I'd be thanking my lucky stars for that substitution!

As for the A380 - I'm sure it will come eventually, especially since JFK flights would dovetail very well with the NRT rotations. The timings of LH404/LH405 and LH710/LH711 would allow two aircraft to serve the routes in a continuous ping-pong rotation. FRA-JFK-FRA-NRT-FRA-JFK-FRA-NRT-FRA-JFK-FRA and so on...



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User currently offlinesxb From France, joined Sep 2008, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10927 times:

According to several posts, LH will most probably put the 748i on north american routes instead of the A380.
I understand that they didn't make their plans official regarding the next A380 that they will receive (next year), so who knows, maybe JFK will get one of them.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 3):
Why on earth would the A346 be a disappointment over their 744s? They are considerably more modern, quieter, and all have the new AVOD PTV.

Totaly agree, the 744 is not a nice experience. I flew twice on LH 744s, it feels really old compared to their A333/A343. We went through some turbulences, I was sitting at the back of the 744 and it felt really shacky and noisy.

However, I remember reading a few times that LH is currently installing PTVs on the 744. I believe that there is a german forum which keeps track of the planes which have been updated.

Also, LH just restarted their FlyNet service on north amercian flights. Could be interesting to be on one of the planes which has the service.

[Edited 2010-12-08 11:27:09]


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User currently offlinejreuschl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 10921 times:

According to the Airbus Facebook page today:

"New service to the Big Apple with the Big Bird - Lufthansa has announced it will fly the A380 into JFK twice weekly starting February 15th. It's DLH's 4th A380 destination. Weiner schnitzel tastes even better served on an A380 tray table!"


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 10779 times:

Quoting sxb (Reply 4):
However, I remember reading a few times that LH is currently installing PTVs on the 744. I believe that there is a german forum which keeps track of the planes which have been updated.

Yes, they are, but it is going very slowly. Only the test airframe D-ABVK has been kitted out so far.

The forum is the MUC Spotter Forum, and the relevant thread can be found here:

http://www.mucforum.de/showthread.ph...ersionen-Interkont%C3%BCbersichten



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User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 10586 times:

I flew LHR-JFK-LHR on 744/346 this year and the 346 was a dissapointment to me!

User currently onlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2347 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 10506 times:
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LH allready has PTV equiped B744 with new style Recaro seats (newwer than the blue intecont seats from 2008)


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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 10449 times:

Quoting LH526 (Reply 8):
LH allready has PTV equiped B744 with new style Recaro seats (newwer than the blue intecont seats from 2008)

Yes. But only 1 out of 30. (or 1 out of 29 if you don't count D-ABTA which is stored at HAM)



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User currently offlinedairy From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 10401 times:

By the end of February 2011 Lufthansa will send an Airbus A380 to New York JFK.


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User currently offlineb707forever From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 10289 times:

[quotes erably more modern, quieter, and all have the new AVOD PTV. [/quote]

Sorry you guys but I'm sitting in J and was supposed to be in 3A in the nose of the 744 which I prefer to the 5K seat in the middle of the J cabin on A346. I'm of an 'older' type that still respects the 747 from my childhood first memories so perhaps no aircraft will replace that (yet to fly A380) so that's the disappointment. I would have all the amenities in J (PTV, etc...) but not the nose of a 747 where I find it intimate and special.

Having said that I'll be fine with the A346 but found it curious that immediately before Christmas (sat before) they would have a smaller aircraft on a very popular route.


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10157 times:

Quoting b707forever (Reply 11):
Sorry you guys but I'm sitting in J and was supposed to be in 3A in the nose of the 744 which I prefer to the 5K seat in the middle of the J cabin on A346. I'm of an 'older' type that still respects the 747 from my childhood first memories so perhaps no aircraft will replace that (yet to fly A380) so that's the disappointment. I would have all the amenities in J (PTV, etc...) but not the nose of a 747 where I find it intimate and special.

All right, I'll give you that. I have flown in the front cabin on an LH B744, and it is indeed a very nice ride. Compared to the main Business cabin, the A346 is a massive improvement though. You could always go for Row 10 or 11 if that is still available.

Quoting b707forever (Reply 11):
Having said that I'll be fine with the A346 but found it curious that immediately before Christmas (sat before) they would have a smaller aircraft on a very popular route.

LH is switching a B744 onto the FRA-CPT route just before Christmas (usually A346). Perhaps that even more popular route is where your aircraft went instead.



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User currently offlineyvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10043 times:

Quoting dairy (Reply 10):
By the end of February 2011 Lufthansa will send an Airbus A380 to New York JFK.

Id love to know your source on that, because my source says not for a couple years yet. Although there is a gate capeable of handling it, with limited A388 right now, its not in the plans for FRA-JFK service on an A388


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9990 times:

Quoting sxb (Reply 4):
According to several posts, LH will most probably put the 748i on north american routes instead of the A380.

It would be great to see them on the IAH runs, and I think they would go great on that route.



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User currently offlineflyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9613 times:

Quoting yvphx (Reply 13):
Id love to know your source on that, because my source says not for a couple years yet. Although there is a gate capeable of handling it, with limited A388 right now, its not in the plans for FRA-JFK service on an A388

This was announced on LufthansaUsa Twitter feed today.



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User currently offlineLimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8661 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 3):
F is 2-2 on the 744 and 1-2-1 on the A346.

Maybe I've listened to BA marketing too much, but it's not really an "F" seat if you have to climb over someone to get to an aisle -- so the 2-2 seating on the 744 doesn't cut it as "F" for me. 1-2-1 does.   Oh, and the upper deck on the 744 might be a fun thought, but I find it really loud, and a little claustrophobic.

Quoting b707forever (Reply 11):
I'm sitting in J and was supposed to be in 3A in the nose of the 744

I *hate* sitting forward of the nose gear, which is a huge negative for BA's F on their 744 fleet, in my book.


User currently offlineLufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8449 times:

Quoting b707forever (Thread starter):
What is LH's plan vis-a-vis the 744 between FRA-JFK. WIll this service become A388 service anytime soon? I am booked on the 18th on LH404 which is normally 744 but it has been changed to A346, a disappointment for me and leaves me wondering if this change is permanent and the 744's are being taken off FRA-JFK?

The 346 is only subbing for the 747 a couple of days in Dec. It is for the most part staying the 747. Of course, from the 15 of February everything is subject to change as the A380 is coming twice a week (M and F) according to the LH website. Of course, who knows whether they are serious this time. LH has stated they are bringing the A380 to JFK several times before only to take the statement back a couple of months later.



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2676 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 8231 times:

LH A 380 #5 is due for delivery in January 2011. Don't know if this will have to be adjusted because of additional checks of the RR engines (althoug I would assume MSN 061 has already C version), but this would fit to more or less for an additional destination starting from February 2011.

User currently offlinedairy From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 6895 times:

Quoting yvphx (Reply 13):
Id love to know your source on that, because my source says not for a couple years yet. Although there is a gate capeable of handling it, with limited A388 right now, its not in the plans for FRA-JFK service on an A388

my source is working at lufthansa. i believe him - and he should know it well.
So, let's wait - and see.  



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2855 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6502 times:
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I used to fly once a month to Frankfurt on LH. Even when they had the recliner- I was dying for the new J seat (bed) and it was, of course angled. At the time...only BA had flat beds.
I agree the newer AIRBUS is more modern. But nothing flies like a 747. And once in a blue moon I'd upgrade to F with a printed UA systemwide. I LOVE that upstairs!!! But why are their seats, albeit very comfortable, are side by side? It's so oooooooold? But like BA, upstairs rocks- especially during a sharp bank.
I'm 49. I figure with the 748i, I have about 15 to 20 years left of that magnificent queen of the skies. I just pray that UA will walk across the street and say: ok, we'll take 25 748's. The new interiors are "supposed to be" beautiful enough to make up for 25 years of the same old interior - and no pinhole windows like the 340! Although I have been on Lufty's 346 dungeon lavatories - pretty cool. Love the seat belts on the walls - bet Charlie Sheen would have a great party down there 



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User currently offlineb707forever From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

Thanks everyone for the feedback. Looks like I've "lucked" out the couple of days in December that the trip will be the A346. C'est la vie I guess. I was literally looking forward to the 744 all year but such is life. I'm grateful I'll be on whatever it is and in the J cabin for a very long day that originates in AGP.

I wonder what LH would want for a mileage upgrade to F but I bet that cabin is full already anyway.


User currently offlineTrijetsonly From Germany, joined Jul 2009, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5318 times:

Lufthansa posted it on twitter today that FRA-JFK will be served with A380 from February 15th 2011 twice the week (Mon and Fri),

User currently offlinedaviation From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

I posted these comments below about the LH A340-600 and the B747-400 on one my trip reports last year. For whatever it's worth, I felt more comfortable in the 747, although the 340 is certainly an impressive aircraft:

The flight crew told us that the A340 was brand new and it looked very clean, sleek, and modern. The air conditioning system releases condensation into the cabin, which many passengers found disconcerting because it looks a bit like smoke. I was very impressed with the A340. It was ultra-modern...........and had absolutely no leg room! I had to spread my legs just to fit into my seat. It looked ugly, as if I was waiting for some young attendant to sit in my lap!

The Airbus itself was quiet, and it seemed like every maneuver - rotation, climb, turn - was elegant. Much more refined than the old 747. The bathrooms were located downstairs, and I cut my hand pretty badly on some sharp plastic corner. The waste system is fascinating. Just a few drops of liquid and then everything is sucked away. If you are male, you need to be sure that all of your equipment is out of the way when you flush. It is not a particularly fast aircraft though. Our top speed was 470 mph. The 747 reached over 500 mph during the climb.

After the layover in FRA, it was nice to be back in the old 747 with room for my legs. Again, the cabin service was very nice, meals were fine, attendants were pleasant.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8250 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4980 times:
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LH announced they are placing teh A380 to JFK from FRA. IF the 744 will continue, don't kow yet.

25 AR385 : 3A was my C seat on LH 499 (shameless plug, see my trip report) and I can tell you that nothing beats sitting in the nose of a 744. If you want the e
26 b707forever : At this point too late to change anything as I'm on a mileage ticket. I will check a few days before just in case the SQ flight on 12/19 opens up in J
27 b707forever : GREAT NEWS! LH has switched the aircraft back to a 744 for LH404 on 18-DEC. Thanks be to God! I got pushed up to Seat 2A from 3A but I can live with t
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