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Biman Bangladesh 777-300ER Info  
User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15604 times:

For anyone interested, the Biman B77Ws won't be long until they become a reality now.

WE216 40122 S2-AFO 777-3E9ER Biman Bangladesh
WE217 40123 S2-AFP 777-3E9ER Biman Bangladesh

 spin 

ETA: Before anyone asks, I no idea on interior config, PTVs, routes etc etc etc. The info above is all I know at this moment in time.

[Edited 2010-12-08 14:17:25]

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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15570 times:

They currently serve just London and Rome in Europe as long-haul destinations plus some medium-haul points in the Arabian Peninsula.

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Anyway, they plan to resume New York next year.

2011 is shaping up to be another milestone year for Biman, the national flag carrier of Bangladesh. We will begin the New Year by re-launching New York service this spring. The “Big Apple” will be a highly desirable destination from Dhaka, specially for Non-resident Bangladeshi travellers are excited about flying directly to and from the USA.

http://biman-airlines.com/ceos-message/


Can the 77W fly Dhaka-New York nonstop?


User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15510 times:

Ah Rome in Bulgaria and London up on the northern tip of Scotland .. great route map BIMAN!

User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6365 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15498 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 1):
Can the 77W fly Dhaka-New York nonstop?

Boeing quotes the range as 7930nm, and DAC-JFK is 6847nm.

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 2):
Ah Rome in Bulgaria and London up on the northern tip of Scotland .. great route map BIMAN!

Abu Dhabi being in Israel will possibly tick some people off!  


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15481 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 2):
Ah Rome in Bulgaria and London up on the northern tip of Scotland .. great route map BIMAN!

and Abu Dhabi somewhere between Lebanon and Cyprus :--)


User currently offlineplanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15480 times:
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Quoting Giancavia (Reply 2):
Ah Rome in Bulgaria and London up on the northern tip of Scotland .. great route map BIMAN!

And Abu Dhabi in Libya!


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15389 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 1):
Can the 77W fly Dhaka-New York nonstop?

Yep, straight up over the North Pole.


User currently offlineturjo101 From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15292 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 2):
Ah Rome in Bulgaria and London up on the northern tip of Scotland .. great route map BIMAN!

   Also Hong Kong appears to be where Shanghai is. I guess they just couldn't fit all the words and just hoped people wouldn't notice. I hope the new equipment will allow them to provide significantly better service.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15131 times:

I see they have gone to a trashier look for the website and the new livery is gone too, pathetic.

[Edited 2010-12-08 16:54:31]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26028 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15058 times:

As part of the just agreed to bilateral air-service agreement with Turkey, Biman requested and was given full traffic rights between Istanbul and London, and is presumably is going to shift some of its LHR services to operate via IST.


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User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15039 times:

LOL. Abu Dhabi somewhere near Israel. Hong Kong is somewhere near Shanghai, Bangkok looks like its somewhere over Vietnam, Kuala Lumpur is near Bangkok and Singapore is over the Java Sea, oh well close enough 

I wouldn't be surprise if they placed NYC in....say like Nova Scotia...

Such a confusing route map. Good news for Biman though!



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6648 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14714 times:

So what month will they be out/delivered?

The777Man



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14388 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
So what month will they be out/delivered?

They are quite a way out yet.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14296 times:

With the greatest of respect to Biman, it does make me laugh when not a single US Airline has bought the 300ER because it is too big and too expensive, yet the number of "small" and financially questionable airlines from third world nations (again, all due respect) that have them on order is quite something. It says something when DL, UA and AA - three of the five largest airlines in the world do not operate them, yet the likes of Royal Brunei (soon), Biman, TAAG (soon), Philippines and Air Austral do.

I know, i know, its a business model thing - but still amazing when you think about it.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6840 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14246 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 1):
Can the 77W fly Dhaka-New York nonstop?

Whether it can is a moot point, given PIA tech stops at MAN en route to JFK. It remains to be seen whether the US authorities will actually let non-stop flights go ahead if there are security concerns about the Bangladesh end of the operation.



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14210 times:

It is the first time I've seen an airline using WordPress as its main CMS powering the website. Not bad though.. But they could have done better to use WordPress' full potential.
I'm honestly not sure about Biman's financial state though. The 77W will not be too much plane to them, but the profits depend on where they'll use it.
Simply revamp. Launch some long haul points. Connect to important Asian points. Revamp your airports. This will bring success. But South Asian politics rarely let that happen.



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4835 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14170 times:

DAC JFK with a B 77W is not possible with a full payload.

In any case the B 77Ws are primarily meant for Saudi Arabia and Heathrow nonstop flights.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14145 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
yet the likes of Royal Brunei (soon), Biman, TAAG (soon), Philippines and Air Austral do.

But PR also operate 747s since the 70s.


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14037 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
yet the likes of Royal Brunei (soon), Biman, TAAG (soon), Philippines and Air Austral do.

I take it you're blown away by the Air Austral A380s then? Not to mention the Skymark A380s from a fleet of, what, 15 737-800s?


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13980 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 18):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
yet the likes of Royal Brunei (soon), Biman, TAAG (soon), Philippines and Air Austral do.

I take it you're blown away by the Air Austral A380s then? Not to mention the Skymark A380s from a fleet of, what, 15 737-800s?

Just a bit.  

Incredible when you think about it.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineBA777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 674 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13968 times:

Wouldn't it be more cost effective for them just to grab a few used 747-400's?

I realize they won't have the range, and probably have less cargo space.. but when the acquisition cost is so much lower than that of a 77W, I think it's worth it.

Plus they can get much faster deliveries too.



I like British Airways! I'm not sure why, but I do! ;-)
User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13878 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
With the greatest of respect to Biman, it does make me laugh when not a single US Airline has bought the 300ER because it is too big and too expensive, yet the number of "small" and financially questionable airlines from third world nations (again, all due respect) that have them on order is quite something. It says something when DL, UA and AA - three of the five largest airlines in the world do not operate them, yet the likes of Royal Brunei (soon), Biman, TAAG (soon), Philippines and Air Austral do.

While I can't really speak of the viability of the 77W at some of the other airlines you mention, Philippine Airlines really can't be clumped in with that group. To compare Royal Brunei to Philippine Airlines is really not an appropriate parallel - PR has been operating the 747 for over 30 years now, and their 744's are stretched to the limit on their North American routes to SFO and LAX. They also use their 744's on various regional runs around Asia in between their long haul schedule as most other carriers do in the South East Asia.

When the FAA revises the safety rating of the Philippines and brings them back up to CAT I (I believe) PR can put the 77W's on the SFO/LAX routes and not have to make the cumbersome tech stop in HNL or GUM on their west bound departures back to Manila as they have to do now on the 744 with a full payload - and those flights are definitely chocka full with passengers and cargo year round...all you have to do is walk by the PR check in desks at LAX and you'll see what I mean  

Now that doesn't say anything about yields on this route, which most definitely are not very good, but their 77W came with PR's new configuration, going from recliners in Business to lie-flat and removing First Class completely, so they are well equipped for these missions.

Wow that went longer than intendend - just thought I wanted to put my 2 cents in on PR being on that list  



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User currently offlineplanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13086 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
With the greatest of respect to Biman, it does make me laugh when not a single US Airline has bought the 300ER because it is too big and too expensive, yet the number of "small" and financially questionable airlines from third world nations (again, all due respect) that have them on order is quite something. It says something when DL, UA and AA - three of the five largest airlines in the world do not operate them, yet the likes of Royal Brunei (soon), Biman, TAAG (soon), Philippines and Air Austral do.

I am not sure the B777-300ER is an overkill for Biman on certain routes - Bangaldesh-Middle East, particularly Saudi Arabia is high-density labor route. While either MAN or JFK may not have enough need for the B777-300ER, the combined route (DAC-MAN-JFK) may be enough to fill the a/c - mind you, Biman is not planning daily services, they are more likely to have 2/3 flights a week, and despite all the ills BG has to offer, there will be a certain category (and a large one at that as well) who will still take the same-aircraft option to/from JFK/UK to Bangladesh.

I think over time, many US airlines have began to focus smaller aircraft with higher frequency over larger aircraft and fewer flights. I think flying 747-400s or 777-300ERs for US airlines may not make as much sense as passengers in the US would prefer flexibility of multiple flights a day over a few flights a week on a massive jetliner. I guess what I am trying to state is that the airlines are trying to match up to what their own markets can handle.

Biman's problem is not so much that there is not enough demand for large aircraft (EK sometimes will fly 2 B777-300ERs plus an additional A330 on the DXB-DAC route a day), but to main a consistent service. Most people shun BG because of frequent delays and cancellation of flights and poor customer service. If they fixed those 2 issues, they will would have a much better chance of filling B777-300ERs.

My $0.02

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12916 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 14):
Whether it can is a moot point, given PIA tech stops at MAN en route to JFK.

It's not a tech stop, it's just that PIA isn't allowed to fly INTO the USA non stop. They however have non stops int he New York -> Lahore direction. Also do remember they are the inaugural customers of the B777-200LR.



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User currently offlinenjgtr82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12825 times:

They have applied with the DOT to do Newark-Manchester-Dhaka
http://docketsinfo.dot.gov/reports/undocketed/oia/2010-11-26.pdf
Its under the wet lease approval with Euroatlantic


25 RobK : Didn't they used to go through DKR with the DC10s, or was it SID? Pretty sure they used to come up across the Pond from the south east somewhere.
26 C680 : Ex-Im Bank probably has more to do with it than anything else.
27 planemannyc : The initial JFK routing was (yes, scary) DAC-DEL-DXB-AMS-JFK. BG used to get a ton of backpackers on the AMS-JFK route, but then BG and KLM got into
28 bigbird : Does anyone know what the line numbers are?
29 The777Man : I don't think anyone here will post L/Ns but it's safe to say that the BG's 77Ws will be delivered within a year from now. The777Man
30 sunrisevalley : Would they have 5th Freedom rights MAN-JFK-MAN .
31 Post contains links planemannyc : Apparently: http://bit.ly/eTpfOI http://www.crainsmanchesterbusiness....h-flight-service&template=printart Best, Wasim / Planemannyc
32 david_itl : Timings for the JFK service from MAN website timetables link: Tuesdays + Saturdays (dates are UK style) JFK 10:00 MAN 22:30 BG 12 29/01/2011 - 09/12/2
33 ETinCaribe : I assume the airline has done its homework - if not, these planes will get back on the market very soon.
34 RobK : These won't be op by the B77W. EuroAtlantic will be operating these routes.
35 LJ : Not exactly the reason why BG had to leave AMS. The reason why BG left AMS was the multiple technical failures of their DC10s at AMS (and subsequent
36 Flyingsottsman : I read Biman's history on the wiki site and with all their problems they have had IE money and corruption, and poor service how is that airline still
37 Post contains links PA515 : The EuroAtlantic 777-212ER CS-TFM has been advertised on Planemart since 13th September 2010. Sale/ACMI Lease with immediate delivery!! http://planem
38 EricR : Well, Bulgaria was part of the Roman Empire and Scotland is part of Great Britain. I know this is a stretch, but just trying to help justify their mi
39 Post contains images boacvc10 : You know, that has a kind of ring to it [Edited 2010-12-12 09:17:36]
40 psimpson : Extract from a Bangladesh paper below The minister said Biman was eyeing two Boeing 777-300ERs in 2011, two in 2013, two Boeing 737-800s in 2015, two
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