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User currently offlinekeegd76 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Aug 2009, 108 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14789 times:
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Apologies if this has already been discussed.

Seems the TSA has managed to grab yet more bad press.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11957943


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User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 805 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14619 times:

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think that everyone should be subject to the same security procedures when flying on a domestic flight... I think this Ambassador is overreacting quite a bit - our own governors, congressmen, etc are required to undergo TSA security screening, up to and including a pat down.

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5867 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14582 times:

I think an American ambassadort needs to be put through this to see how he and his country men react.

User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14541 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 3):
I think an American ambassadort needs to be put through this to see how he and his country men react.

You do realise that most TSA agents don't read the Wall Street Journal-Financial Times every day, correct?? you're making it sound like everybody knew who she was


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5867 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14532 times:

Her credentials were established before she was frisked.

User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14498 times:

Well instead of looking at it at racial from a racial profiling angle, I see this as an incident which will force the US to rethink their dumb TSA procedures which even the Americans are opposing vehemently.


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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1572 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14466 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 5):
Her credentials were established before she was frisked.

So what? If we have to deal with the BS that is TSA, everyone should have to play the same game. Just because she is some ambassador that 99.99% of American's wouldn't know who she is, doesn't mean she gets special treatment.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9536 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14448 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 4):
You do realise that most TSA agents don't read the Wall Street Journal-Financial Times every day, correct??

I'd agree with you to the fact that most of the TSA agents don't know that The Wall Street Journal and The Financial Times exist.

What they should know is the fact that diplomats and especially ambassadors enjoy a special status which exempts them from going through such searches. The State Departrment will have to apologize to India and Madam Ambassador and someone at TSA in Jackson Ms should get fired.



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User currently offlineAeolus From Mexico, joined Aug 2007, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14416 times:

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 2):
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think that everyone should be subject to the same security procedures when flying on a domestic flight... I think this Ambassador is overreacting quite a bit - our own governors, congressmen, etc are required to undergo TSA security screening, up to and including a pat down

I agree. Even the US president, so that we can end up this harrassment once and for all.
Do yo know if they have started installing these machines in pre-clearance CBP ports such as SNN or YUL?
I'm traveling YUL-JFK-LHR-JFK-YUL in a few weeks and I'm worried, what should I expect? The normal metal detector or the new procedures?

-Aeolus



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5867 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14391 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 7):
So what? If we have to deal with the BS that is TSA, everyone should have to play the same game. Just because she is some ambassador that 99.99% of American's wouldn't know who she is, doesn't mean she gets special treatment.

I guess in US culture its ok to treat high ranking foreign guests that way.

[Edited 2010-12-09 15:44:39 by srbmod]

User currently offlineCharlieNoble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14348 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
What they should know is the fact that diplomats and especially ambassadors enjoy a special status which exempts them from going through such searches. The State Departrment will have to apologize to India and Madam Ambassador and someone at TSA in Jackson Ms should get fired.

If this is true (I don't know either way), then the real FAIL here is on the part of the US State Dept. They generally have people "handling" this kind of stuff to make sure that everything goes smoothly. Should never have come to this.

Quoting 777way (Reply 11):
I guess in US culture its ok to treat high ranking foreign guests that way.


Take the angry personal attacks somewhere else.


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14343 times:

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 2):
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think that everyone should be subject to the same security procedures when flying on a domestic flight... I think this Ambassador is overreacting quite a bit - our own governors, congressmen, etc are required to undergo TSA security screening, up to and including a pat down.

Actually there are exceptions for certain gov't officials re: TSA sexual assault



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User currently offlineiairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14264 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 3):
I think an American ambassadort needs to be put through this to see how he and his country men react.

It would be fantastic. The more "important people forced to submit to these humiliating security procedures the closer we get to ending the charade.

Quoting Aeolus (Reply 9):
Even the US president, so that we can end up this harrassment once and for all.

Agreed more important his wife, daughters and grandparents and elderly relatives should be forced to undergo the same screening we do. Same goes for every politician and government official promoting these procedures

[Edited 2010-12-09 15:45:57 by srbmod]

User currently offlineCharlieNoble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14208 times:

Quoting iairallie (Reply 17):
Quoting 777way (Reply 3):
I think an American ambassadort needs to be put through this to see how he and his country men react.

It would be fantastic. The more "important people forced to submit to these humiliating security procedures the closer we get to ending the charade.

Quoting Aeolus (Reply 9):
Even the US president, so that we can end up this harrassment once and for all.

Agreed more important his wife, daughters and grandparents and elderly relatives should be forced to undergo the same screening we do. Same goes for every politician and government official promoting these procedures

Agree 100%, shielding leaders from the reality of the decisions they make is a bad thing.


User currently offlinepacksonflight From Iceland, joined Jan 2010, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14211 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
So what? If we have to deal with the BS that is TSA, everyone should have to play the same game. Just because she is some ambassador that 99.99% of American's wouldn't know who she is, doesn't mean she gets special treatment.



I am not expecting TSA personell to know every foreign diplomat on US soil, but I expect them to know how to handle them
There are international laws about diplomats and how they should be handled. It is obvious that TSA is braking this laws and their own operating procedures by doing this, and I suppose that official apology will follow


User currently offlineDENOO From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14149 times:

Quoting packsonflight (Reply 21):
There are international laws about diplomats and how they should be handled

It goes both ways. Diplomats are held to the same high standards and sometimes they break the laws. As in my other post.


User currently offlineCharlieNoble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14165 times:

Quoting packsonflight (Reply 21):
I am not expecting TSA personell to know every foreign diplomat on US soil, but I expect them to know how to handle them
There are international laws about diplomats and how they should be handled. It is obvious that TSA is braking this laws and their own operating procedures by doing this, and I suppose that official apology will follow

I agree, it's obvious that we've got some work to do on straightening out these protocol issues.


One thing I did find interesting about the article was this quote:

"Some reports said Ms Shankar, who was on her way from a conference, was singled out because she was wearing a sari."

This may be true, but I also wonder how many of these kind of statements we see in the media are second- or third-hand and erroneous. When I hear it I think...what reports? from whom? Was that person actually there and what exactly led them to that conclusion? It's a pretty serious accusation and would reasonably upset a lot of people. The journalists ought to do a better job of evaluating the nature and quality of those reports and telling us what it's based upon so we can make up our own minds.

I'm not 100% sure that's what they really want, anyway.

[Edited 2010-12-09 08:46:56]

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9536 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14343 times:

Quoting packsonflight (Reply 21):
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
So what? If we have to deal with the BS that is TSA, everyone should have to play the same game. Just because she is some ambassador that 99.99% of American's wouldn't know who she is, doesn't mean she gets special treatment.



I am not expecting TSA personell to know every foreign diplomat on US soil, but I expect them to know how to handle them
There are international laws about diplomats and how they should be handled. It is obvious that TSA is braking this laws and their own operating procedures by doing this, and I suppose that official apology will follow

Excuse me, but that is not my text you are quoting. You are fully in line what I wrote in my reply 8. No TSA official can do that kind of search to a high ranking foreign diplomat. That should be standard instruction in TSA manuals as well. From the article it says that the University had arranged a VIP room / treatment at JAN and that should have been reason enough for TSA to understand that this lady was not the average passenger. Could be that no one of the TSA staff at JAN knew what an ambassador is. That's what manuals are for.



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User currently offlineGolfOscarDelta From India, joined Feb 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14371 times:

Now while I understand the whole "Everyone must be equally treated" schtick. I'm not sure things will be the same if the US ambassador to India was frisked at an Indian airport. If that had happened I'm sure the Indian govt would have to send a thousand apologies 1000 fruit baskets conveying the same and then buy 10 more C-17's to placate the US govt.

User currently offlineNeverest From France, joined Dec 2004, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14343 times:

At this time US is courting India as a buffer against China and at the same time tendering tens of billions of dollars of aircraft and arms sales. Being insensitive and insulting the Indian ambassador will surely not furter American interests. I think even Obama will have to offer a personal apology.

User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14359 times:

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 2):
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think that everyone should be subject to the same security procedures when flying on a domestic flight... I think this Ambassador is overreacting quite a bit - our own governors, congressmen, etc are required to undergo TSA security screening, up to and including a pat down.

Yeah, but your Ambassadors to other countries do not undergo screening within those countries. But the minute they land in the States, they are treated like everyone else. Same goes for this lady. The minute she lands in India, she will have to go through security like any other citizen. International relations is a complex area and maintenance of such protocol is very important for various reasons.

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 7):
So what? If we have to deal with the BS that is TSA, everyone should have to play the same game. Just because she is some ambassador that 99.99% of American's wouldn't know who she is, doesn't mean she gets special treatment.

Actually, she does get special treatment. Like it or not, its a blatant violation of International Law. The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations sets forth procedures to be followed with relation to diplomats. Once the Ambassador produced proper paperwork, the TSA should have let her go without screening.

You and I may not like it, but Diplomats across the world *are* entitled to special treatment.


User currently offlineCharlieNoble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14321 times:

Quoting GolfOscarDelta (Reply 28):
I'm sure the Indian govt would have to send a thousand apologies 1000 fruit baskets conveying the same and then buy 10 more C-17's to placate the US govt.

That is hilarious! I hope they get this sorted out fast...


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1603 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14276 times:

This is "oops" for the Department of State.
But young gays and gals in mid-America, employed by TAS, most probably have never heard of diplomatic immunity.
I think the ambassador acted with dignity and in compliance with Buddhism values.
She just allowed to pat her down.

Some EU ambassador would turn in big show on-site.


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14274 times:

I would strongly recommend that TSA in India select the US Ambassador in India "randomly" for a strip search .


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20746 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14195 times:

Sounds like a training issue to me. Send the agents out for proper training, have the State Dept. apologize, and move on.


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25 bikerthai : I will take this opportunity to perform some public relation apologies on the behalf of United State citizens and provide you with some understanding
26 Post contains images readytotaxi : Very well put.
27 Post contains links and images ixemctdca : From http://www.passport.gov.in: The Diplomatic Passport seems to clearly state so on the cover.
28 Cubsrule : To be fair, I once saw a US ambassador get frisked in Europe. He was quite classy about it, and as far as I know didn't raise a stink in the media (I
29 FlyingSicilian : As an aside-More than just ambassadors have diplomatic passports. I have had TSA clerks not recognise my brown Official US Passport (official as in g
30 gopal : I agree that this was a failure on part of the local TSA department to follow established procedures related to Foreign diplomats/dignitaries. This wa
31 Cubsrule : Did I not see what I saw with my own two eyes? I don't know that it's any more or less likely in the States than elsewhere. In any event, it should n
32 janmnastami : This isn't completely true, according to a previous thread. TSA employees aren't required to know who she is, they're required to know what to do whe
33 pylon101 : That was classy and noble. Knowing U.S. ambassadors in Russia (not personally) I can assume they would act the same way. I think Ms. ambassador of In
34 anshuk : Its not about recognising. Its about knowing what to do when you're faced with this kind of a situation. Shows the lack of training and competence.[E
35 Cubsrule : Is it unacceptable to you that people make mistakes?
36 dl767captain : She says she was singled out because she was wearing a sari.... Just like I'm singled out when I wear my sweatshirt through they pat it down to make s
37 janmnastami : Seriously, I don't understand this justification: if the don't know what is diplomatic immunity , it means they have serious problems...
38 Cubsrule : Have you ever been to JAN? How many diplomats do you suppose go through on a daily or weekly basis?
39 AirNZ : I'm not disgreeing with you in principle, but an Ambassador does have Diplomatic Immunity......and that is a clear international violation by the TSA
40 gr8circle : I am of Indian origin and while this report does sadden me, I would not hasten to raise the racism flag immediately.....it's just the stupid levels th
41 AADC10 : Under the rules of international diplomacy, full Ambassadors are exempt from screening. The TSA staff should have known the correct procedures. The b
42 Post contains images blrsea : Diplomatic niceties are based on reciprocity. Better to keep quiet and just subject the US ambassador to full body pat down at Indian airports. I high
43 bikerthai : We see quite a few sari's going through SEA every day. I wonder if they get singled out? Still, someone in the know would have to confirm if the Dipl
44 blrsea : In fact, TSA said she was singled out as she was wearing a sari.
45 Cubsrule : That's sort of silly, though, isn't it? No one is suggesting that TSA deliberately did anything wrong. Again, people make mistakes - the world over.
46 blrsea : Nope, the TSA has clarified that diplomats are exempted. So the US ambssador should get the same treatment in India, though I doubt the GoI has balls
47 Post contains images bikerthai : Now terrorists will know not to use sari's as a disguise. Joking asides, there have been a few incidents with Indian, Pakistani and other Middle East
48 Malayil : I think what the TSA did was not necessarily the brightest thing in the world, but it happens. Ambassadors are VVIPs, but that doesn't mean they shoul
49 Cubsrule : You are contradicting yourself. If TSA policy is to exempt diplomats, why should the US Ambassador not be exempted in India?
50 CharlieNoble : I'm curious, where did you see that? I am surprised to see that they would admit that officially! No, that's wrong too. Pretty much any time somebody
51 Bennett123 : If the TSA did not know what diplomatic immunity means, then prehaps they need to google it. Just as well that any 'diplomatic bags' arrive through DC
52 AR385 : He flies Air Force 1 doesn´t he? Is he strip searched beore boardin AF1? Is diplomatic immunity applied to airport security searches? If during the
53 Cubsrule : What does reciprocity mean in this case? How does one reciprocate for a mistake?
54 fortunerunnner : She is an ambassador and official ambassador's travelling on diplomatic passports are immune from most if not all laws that rest of us has to go thro
55 janmnastami : The number of diplomats visiting JAN doesn't matter, TSA staff should be trained to handle all situations.
56 CharlieNoble : Which governments? If you were "King of the World" for a day, what specifically would you like to see reciprocated on?
57 AR385 : There are mistakes and THEN there are mistakes. IF this was a mistake, it was a very STUPID mistake. 1) TSA were told she was an ambassador 2) She wa
58 caliatenza : Im Indian and ive never gotten pulled aside by the TSA for a "secondary" or whatever...and ive been flying out of LAX internationally to India and ba
59 CharlieNoble : Perhaps, but that's a pretty tall order. I wonder what government agency on earth would pass that test.
60 Cubsrule : But they do. See my experience above. That's why I'm super confused. Mistakes happen - the world over. This is an unfortunate one, but it's not isola
61 Post contains links blrsea : Sorry, I meant to say that the diplomats are not exempted. From the link below, which BTW is US media and not Indian ... India diplomat gets 'humilia
62 CharlieNoble : This is the part where I (respectfully) think people are reading this wrong. What specifically led you to the conclusion that they were zealots out t
63 Cubsrule : You've confused me further. Isn't TSA policy (admitedly not followed here) that diplomats are exempt?
64 kalvado : No they should not. They do not fall under TSA jurisdiction to begin with.
65 iairallie : No they didn't. Learn to read, some witnesses said that they thought she'd been singled out because she was wearing a sari. The TSA said no such thin
66 CharlieNoble : Hmm...they admitted that they pulled her aside because she was wearing a bulky garment...that happened in this case to be a sari. I think that is an
67 CharlieNoble : On another note, this incident has got me thinking... Nobody would have given a damn if my wife were the one who had gotten pulled out of line and giv
68 Bennett123 : I see your point. However, there is the point of diplomatic immunity. Would you want the President frisked at JFK?.
69 CharlieNoble : Sounds convincing regarding jurisdiction, but if being 'subject to search' is a condition of carriage on an airline, could they refuse to fly her if
70 Post contains images CharlieNoble : Certainly, certainly I agree with you. I guess my point was that many seem to be upset about the fact that this woman's personal modesty and dignity
71 blrsea : Maybe you need to talk in civilized tone? Or is that too hard? I have been pretty civil throughout as have most of hte others, but then, I guess you
72 Post contains links blrsea : At least based on Indian media reports, that is not the case. US says diplomats not exempt from search, India to protest
73 kalvado : Looks like a catch-22 to me (but I'm not an expert). I found an document written by Australian government, which states "worldwide practice" for the
74 SonomaFlyer : The lack of knowledge about the conventions regarding the treatment of accredited diplomats on this board is a bit disturbing. They are NOT just like
75 CharlieNoble : I think you are right. It's a bit much to tell other countries how they should run their own security, but what's good for the goose is good for the
76 Post contains images blrsea : The ambassadors have been going through metal detectors for a long time now, and I don't think it would be an issue at all. As I mentioned earlier, a
77 Quokka : From the original linked article: A statement to appease Indian media, but India will make a polite approach to US officials and request that TSA is
78 Post contains images blrsea : Why?? If US thinks Indian(or any other country's ambassador for that matter) is a security threat, why shouldn't it be true the other way around? Why
79 Numero4 : Sounds like a little mishap from the TSA. I agree with a previous poster mentioning this happened in Mississippi, and not DC, and they may not have se
80 CharlieNoble : Here's what it says about inviolability: ******************************************* Article 29 The person of a diplomatic agent shall be inviolable.
81 Oshkosh1 : Nothing like making a mountain out of a molehill... Some here seem to want to view this as some egregious international incident, when in fact it was
82 SonomaFlyer : I assure you that article is interpreted in the broadest possible context. The notion that an Ambassador, much less one to a nation as vital to our s
83 Cubsrule : Perhaps part of the problem is that, as pointed out correctly in Reply 73, is that diplomats are not exempt from screening, and I should have been cl
84 Prinair : The rules should apply to everyone flying. There should not be any special treatment at all. Get over it, she is just a lowly ambassador. The US shoul
85 Post contains images SonomaFlyer : I really don't think you want to go there It would be open season on U.S. diplomatic personnel overseas. It would make it much more difficult for the
86 Prinair : They are nothing but a perfect example in the art of hypocrisy.
87 777way : Did anyone else notice that in this topic most posters are being apologetic towards TSA "Aw they were wrong but these things happen" unlike the others
88 zalemam : Hahaha, that was funny.
89 Post contains images Quokka : I did not suggest that searching Indian ambassadors is or isn't childish. But tit for tat behaviour is. Tit for tat behaviour may give momentary sati
90 Post contains images ETinCaribe : Hillary Clinton to TSA: "Go sit next to Julian Assange in the dog house" This will blow over, and Clinton will probably send a formal apology.
91 fortunerunnner : Wonderful world we live in, isn't it when everything TSA does to normal passengers is bad but if its done to an ambassador of another country then it
92 Post contains images iairallie : No one is STRIP searching anyone She got routine screening which from which ambassadors are NOT exempt. Really the histronics and hyperbole aren't he
93 tjcab : two wrongs don't make a right! That is lovely for you, however, people are profiled all over the world. My parents are from Cameroon, I cannot count
94 KLXA380 : While i can understand the reaction by this person about US "culture" you don't have to lower yourself to his standards. Kill him with kindness
95 AR385 : This is the first, logical, interesting thing you´ve written in this thread.
96 catiii : But, see, therein lies the lunacy with TSA. Ambassadors, Congressmen, Senators, and Governors aren't the threat. The fact we have a one size fits all
97 UAL747DEN : Every American is subject to the very same procedure. This is what makes American great, it doesn't really matter who you are you will be treated the
98 Post contains images comorin : CIS assumes everybody is either an immigrant or wannabee immigrant, and deserves to be treated like teeming masses at the gate. However, the CIS staff
99 AApilot2b : So what! I serve our country, have an ID card to prove it and still have had special searches done at airports. Why do people think that certain indiv
100 futureorthopod : She needs to get over it or asked to take a post elsewhere!
101 nethkt : Correct! I wonder if the TSA would do the same to lady gaga....
102 comorin : Rubbish. Everybody thinks their country is great. The Ambassador, like the US Ambassador in India, is there on a mission for their government. It's n
103 AR385 : With the above I have no choice but to add you to my RU list.
104 Shmertspionem : Yep especially Indians - who think that somehow their film actors like Shah Rukh Khan and high dignitaries should be above the law. Its very curious
105 ag92 : There is no TSA in India You are one lucky Indian Fruitcake? Seriously? If a diplomat does behave in such manner, he will be requested by either the
106 Post contains links Shmertspionem : because the Indian passport and Indian currency are amongst the easiest to fake - both lacking cutting edge anti duplication measures, added to the f
107 Post contains links and images Shmertspionem : Notice the last name (number 31) on the security exclusion list - Mr Robert Vadra - whose only qualification to be on that list is that he's the husba
108 anshuk : This was more than a mistake. This was a refusal by the TSA to verify procedures. A mistake would have been when on verification, they "mistakenly" f
109 Post contains images CharlieNoble : I think you may have missed the point I was trying to make, but it wasn't central to this discussion. While this lady may be fantastic, I don't think
110 AirNZ : Hmmm! rules do appy to everyone, or do you just mean they should apply to 'everyone' in the US? May I point out that US Ambassadors have Diplomatic I
111 Cubsrule : Certainly not. Again, I'm not arguing that what happened to this woman was right. I am suggesting that it's wrong to turn it into some sort of anti-A
112 Grid : Reciprocity is one thing, tit-for-tat and being petty is a whole other thing. The argument that he did that to her in his country so let's get him ba
113 SABIM : There is a certain attitude among diplomats sometimes, that due to their immunity they were not accountable to the laws of their host country. I have
114 Post contains images CharlieNoble : Unfortunately, not yet...but making sure that everyone was subject to a good "groping" now and then would be a start Seriously though, I think most A
115 ETinCaribe : No, Ambassadors are the Plenipotentiary representatives of their government, not the people. In fact, most high profile Ambassadors, though reporting
116 Cubsrule : As a (non-international) lawyer, I'll stick with private screening being acceptable and public screening being significantly closer to the line, if n
117 Shmertspionem : Well when i travelled on a diplomatic shadow passport - there were no additional documents stating ones position. My dad carried his embassy ID but t
118 CharlieNoble : I agree with your point that ambassadors represent their head of gov't, not the people at large the way a legislator would. Not what I was trying to
119 Grid : I don't know whether states have not complained about it - it could very well be that they have, but privately. And even if they have complained and t
120 Shmertspionem : Hey thanks for that well it wouldn't per se be a violation would it? Article 29 holds except in a zone covered by article 26. ...if the airport was c
121 SA7700 : This thread will be locked as it has veered into an off-topic debate with personal insults being hurled about. Any posts added after the thread lock w
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