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User currently offlineflyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 20525 times:

I've asked some similar questions in other threads, however I wanted to specifically emphasize my interest in commuting as a delta flight attendant.

Does Delta plan on staffing any other bases in 2011 besides NYC? I would imagine there is a plethora of NYC commuters intending transfer if so regardless if any vacancies open or not, and therefore would preclude new hires from potential other bases.

Since the AFA election, is there any word on the Commuter Policy for Flight Attendants, and if so what are the current expectations?

Any delta flight attendants on the forum that commute, and find it difficult, doable, etc?

Thanks.

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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8868 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 20499 times:

A good friend of mine commutes from the West Coast to MSP and sits reserve. Doable, but she's often crashing on the couches of friends - helps that she can ride the jumpseat to get to/from work, which isn't the most comfortable ride but it gets the job done.

User currently offlineB767300ER From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20402 times:
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I used to be based in ATL andcommuted from NYC for my flights to TLV and DXB, due to Arabic and Hebrew language
skills. Always gave myself atlest 5hrs conex time when flying from LGA or JFK and in three years never missed a flight.
My return to NYC from ATL would make the next conex flight even if I jumped seated to get back. Since the arrivals
in ATL was early AM times always got back the same day. Now am based in NYC and fly regularly to TLV, CAI or AMN
from JFK so I really dont miss my commutes.


User currently offlineflyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20342 times:

How many extra cabin jumpseats do DL aircraft have? 1? Do FAs take priority over pilots, assuming pilots can occupy those cabin jumpseats as well? What happens if you can't report to an assignment because a flight fills up, as well as a backup flight?

User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20232 times:

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 3):
How many extra cabin jumpseats do DL aircraft have?

Depends on the aircraft:
DC95-4 Jumpseats, 3 for min crew, 1 extra
319- 4 Jumpseats, 3 for min crew, 1 extra
320- 5 Jumpseats, 3 for min crew, 2 extra
737-700- 4 Jumpseats, 3 for min crew, 1 extra
737-800- 5 Jumpseats, 4 for min crew, 1 extra
757-5500-6 jumpseats, 4 for min crew, 2 extra
757-5600- 7 jumpseats, 4 for min crew, 3 extra
757, U and X- 5 Jumpseats, 4 for min crew, 1 extra
75V and E, 7 jumpseats, 4 for min crew, 3 extra
MD88/90- 5 Jumpseats, 3 for min crew, 2 extra
M9K- 5 Jumpseats 4 for min crew, 1 extra

The 767s usually have one or two extra jumpseats after min crew and any adds are added
The 333 has 12 jumpseats, max crew is 10.
The 747 has 22 jumpseats, usually about 14 to 15 for a full crew complement leaving 7 extra Jumpseats
The 777 has 12 jumpseats, with usually one or two left as empty.

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 3):
Do FAs take priority over pilots, assuming pilots can occupy those cabin jumpseats as well?

Of course FAs have priority over pilots on the Cabin jumpseats. even if a FA shows up just before the door closes, they can take the jump from the pilot.

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 3):
What happens if you can't report to an assignment because a flight fills up, as well as a backup flight?

Then you will probably have to talk to a manager because you cannot make it to base in time to work the flight.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20186 times:

DL allows for DL pilots to occupy the cabin jumpseat. I'm not 100% sure but I believe they either A. have to be in uniform, or B. in business casual dress. Priority is DL F/As first by seniority then the pilots (F/As have first dibs).


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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1260 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20168 times:

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 3):
How many extra cabin jumpseats do DL aircraft have? 1? Do FAs take priority over pilots, assuming pilots can occupy those cabin jumpseats as well? What happens if you can't report to an assignment because a flight fills up, as well as a backup flight?

Number of jumpseats despends on the type of aircraft and boarding priorities. For instance, deadheding crew positioning for a trip have piority over commutesr, Also, sometimes working crew fill all the jumpseats (watch out for the 777).

The generral rule for commuting is that you have to leave two backups that will still get you to work prior to your scheduled check in time. On probation--miss a trip and you have serious issues. In general, it is YOUR responsibility to be in position for a trip assignment--no excuses, no weather problems, no whining, no mercy.

New hire f/a's will go to to the major bases--JFK, DTW, SLC, some to ATL (not many, lots of transf
er requests). Occasionally something werid will open up like SEA or HNL but don't count on it. Plan on staying wherever you are initially assigned for six months at least. You might see some to BOS and FLL for the new european flying but it can change in a nano second.

FLEXIBILITY is the keyword. DON"T get caught at home at 2300 with a trip assignement for 0555. REFUSING A TRIP WILL REPEAT WILL GET YOU FIRED! Probation is no joke--late check-ins, missed trips will get you in trouble faster than anything else.



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User currently offlineboeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20138 times:

I heard that BOS will get additional F/As due to their expansions to Heathrow and CDG...

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User currently offlineflyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20068 times:

What are Alternative Flying Program bases? And what is the deal with those? As I understand it they aren't "real' bases...unsure what that means.

What type of flying do the SEA FAs do? Is it just the international flights?


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8868 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 19993 times:

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 8):

What type of flying do the SEA FAs do? Is it just the international flights?

I had a SEA-based crew that was doing a SEA-ATL-SEA turn last month.

That being said, my understanding is that the SEA base is incredibly senior.


User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 19933 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9):
I had a SEA-based crew that was doing a SEA-ATL-SEA turn last month.

That being said, my understanding is that the SEA base is incredibly senior.

Depends on the pre-merger base. The SEA PMNW base is quite senior but there quite a few junior people there too. The PMDL AFP base is quite senior. They mostly just fly the ATL-SEA turns.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 19791 times:

ATL being the largest obviously is also quite senior. Heard you need in the ballpark of 20+ years to not have A-Days in ATL whereas in NYC you can get away with no A-Days with a '99 or so hire date.


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 19576 times:

I heard it's mainly NYC hiring (EWR, LGA, JFK) and rumor BOS and ATL as well. Not sure where HNL, SEA, and FLL are coming up as they are very senior. I actually got a call from DL human resources twice today (I was on set and couldn't answer the phone and they left me voicemails.) I applied for F/A position back in august and will be calling them back tomorrow (perhaps ATL interview?)


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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 19534 times:
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Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 8):
What are Alternative Flying Program bases? And what is the deal with those? As I understand it they aren't "real' bases...unsure what that means.

These are PMDL 'satellite' bases primarily set up for FAs who live at those bases who mostly want to do day trips/turns and helps the company save on overnight hotel costs. They do not have on-site base management, and FAs have to have exemplary records to be able to participate in these AFP bases.
Another PMDL AFP base is SAN, where they mostly do SAN-ATL turns.


User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 19451 times:

I'm sure the "official" response from Delta would be you cannot commute while on reserve, so its not a question you want to ask about before you are hired! In reality however it is possibile but you will spend a lot of extra time "working" without pay.
I found that one of the most important things a commuter can do is keep the people at SOC happy! If you help them out when they need you to take a extra flight and are always willing to answer when they call on your day off they will bend over backwards to help you out also. Back in my FA days I would try to get to know them personally and take them out of dinner when I had an overnight at IAH! These little things will get you much further than two back-up flights!



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15474 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 19436 times:

Quoting B767300ER (Reply 2):
I used to be based in ATL andcommuted from NYC for my flights to TLV and DXB

Off topic, but when did Delta ever fly from JFK to DXB?



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1661 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 19421 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):

They never have. He was based in Atlanta, but living in New York. He worked ATL-DXB and ATL-TLV.

[Edited 2010-12-09 22:01:42]


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15474 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 19412 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 16):
They never have. He was based in Atlanta, but living in New York. He flew worked ATL-DXB and ATL-TLV

You're right. I misread the post.



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2756 posts, RR: 45
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 19414 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 11):
ATL being the largest obviously is also quite senior. Heard you need in the ballpark of 20+ years to not have A-Days in ATL whereas in NYC you can get away with no A-Days with a '99 or so hire date.

I am no expert on the specifics of Delta FA bases and seniority, but your logic does not follow normal conventions, and certainly does not seem "obvious" at all. Big bases are normally more junior than small bases. How does ATL stack up against CVG, for instance, or even SLC? I'm just asking.

NYC will always be junior for pretty much every airline because it's a hole to fly out of with up to three airports to cover, it is extremely expensive to live in, is tremendously delay prone, and has nightmarish airports with horrible infrastructure (including most terminals.) It is a national embarrassment. I've been there far more than my share, and avoid it whenever possible.


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19373 times:

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 18):
I am no expert on the specifics of Delta FA bases and seniority, but your logic does not follow normal conventions, and certainly does not seem "obvious" at all. Big bases are normally more junior than small bases. How does ATL stack up against CVG, for instance, or even SLC? I'm just asking.

Atl is probably the most senior as it is the main base for DL and has been for sometime. More so then the other bases in the DL system. At my airline the main base is the most senior. Our New Domicile is stacking up to be very senior but the main base will always be the most senior for us.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19352 times:

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 18):



You're right it's not obvious, my bad. But rest assured ATL is quite senior. You pay your dues and you will be able to bid into ATL with luck within a few years but you will most likely have access days for the rest of your career unless you plan on flying for 25+ years. With the age some F/As are starting out at, some may very well be eligible for social security before they reach 25 years of service. It's not 1972 anymore where you joined up with a major at 19 

As for how CVG and SLC stacks up to ATL, have no clue. I was only commenting on ATL and NYC specifically. If Cokepopper chimes in we may get more info on that.

As for the latter, isn't that a little much? I agree that T2/3 needs to be bulldozed YESTERDAY. However, B6 terminal is new as is AA's and T4 is actually pretty nice IMHO. The set-up sucks. I'm not a big fan of getting on that train and having to go through security again if for some reason you have tickets like that although it beats that bus you HAD to get on back in the day.



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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19337 times:

Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 19):
Atl is probably the most senior as it is the main base for DL and has been for sometime. More so then the other bases in the DL system.

I dunno; I heard that SLC was a pretty senior base, with all the ex-Western FAs based there. It's not always a case of the largest base being the most senior. At my airline, some of the smaller bases are relatively more senior than, say, JFK (which is our largest crew base). It depends on how many people are based in a certain domicile, and what their seniority is within said base. The smaller the base (and hence, the less flying to go around), the bigger the difference in seniority - even if it's just a few numbers.

[Edited 2010-12-09 22:41:52]


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User currently offlinemel From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1095 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19330 times:

Delta flew JFK-DXB via CAI before 9/11, with the MD-11.


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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2756 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19286 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 20):
You're right it's not obvious, my bad. But rest assured ATL is quite senior.

Compared to NYC, sure; everything will be. There are certainly senior flight attendants in ATL, but there would be a very wide distribution of seniorities given the number of FA's there. In big airlines, the most senior bases tend to be the smallest bases, particularly bases that used to be larger or only have desirable trips.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 20):
As for how CVG and SLC stacks up to ATL, have no clue. I was only commenting on ATL and NYC specifically. If Cokepopper chimes in we may get more info on that.

Yes, and that's the real point; NYC is it's own special case and is disproportionately junior for pilots and FA's for almost any airline that has a base there. People don't want to be there, and for good reason.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 20):
As for the latter, isn't that a little much? I agree that T2/3 needs to be bulldozed YESTERDAY. However, B6 terminal is new as is AA's and T4 is actually pretty nice IMHO. The set-up sucks. I'm not a big fan of getting on that train and having to go through security again if for some reason you have tickets like that although it beats that bus you HAD to get on back in the day.

I have a LOT of time flying in and out of all three of the NYC airports, and don't think my statement is in any way an exaggeration.

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 21):
Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 19):
Atl is probably the most senior as it is the main base for DL and has been for sometime. More so then the other bases in the DL system.

I dunno; I heard that SLC was a pretty senior base, with all the ex-Western FAs based there. It's not always a case of the largest base being the most senior. At my airline, some of the smaller bases are relatively more senior than, say, JFK (which is our largest crew base). It depends on how many people are based in a certain domicile, and what their seniority is within said base. The smaller the base (and hence, the less flying to go around), the bigger the difference in seniority - even if it's just a few numbers.

NASBWI: Thank you; you clarified my point better than I made it in the first place. Sure, there are senior FA's everywhere (including ATL, no doubt,) but the distribution of seniorities is what matters, and small bases tend to be much more senior than large bases.


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19219 times:

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 23):
NASBWI: Thank you; you clarified my point better than I made it in the first place. Sure, there are senior FA's everywhere (including ATL, no doubt,) but the distribution of seniorities is what matters, and small bases tend to be much more senior than large bases.

Okay i gotcha yah now   Yeah the new Domicile is shaping up to be incredibly senior to the point that many in my seniority range will be on extended reserve even while those of us in the main base will be line holders. Well for a time at least.



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25 SingaporeBoy : Do other countires's FAs besides Americans commute??i know most asian airlines FAs dont commute as they are only based in 1 particular city..usually t
26 bobnwa : Because a lot of the time the base city is not a desirable place to live. An example would be New York City which very few are able to live on a FA s
27 NASBWI : Depending on where you commute from, it can be tiring. However, it's worth it to those who love doing what they do, and also love where they live cur
28 DTWPurserBoy : Many f/a's do live in their base city--SEA, HNL, LAX, SFO, ATL, MEM and BOS all have high a high propoportion of people that actually live there. DTW
29 flyboy80 : Thanks everyone for the excellent information. I've too applied for Delta, and at this point from everything I've read in this thread and others, I'm
30 m11stephen : Exactly, the average monthly rent for a studio apartment in NYC is more then the average new hire will make a month.
31 Atlwest1 : I can tell you My carrier and JB are hiring.
32 A340600 : My old airline (UK major) had both pilots and cabin crew commuting regularly from across Europe and further. I flew with a girl who commuted from YYZ
33 atct : I commuted as a flight attendant to Cleveland (Continental Connection) and never had a problem. Sure once I had to greyhound to get to work on time, b
34 blueflyer : BA has a lot of senior pilots flying in to report for duty from various French towns on paid tickets, not jump seats. Thanks, Ryanair... I've been on
35 laca773 : Isn't there a difference in crews out of NYC where those who fly domestic are mostly junior and those who mainly do international out of JFK have a a
36 goldenstate : I actually know a couple of 777 guys (obviously PMDL) who live in the Pointes and out in Barton Hills. I guess they commuted to ATL until the merger.
37 DTWPurserBoy : Well said--Delta is a GREAT place to work. On February 15th the profit sharing checks will be distributed and it will be a REALLY great place to work
38 cokepopper : uh oh, I thought it was Feb 14th?
39 RJLover : I can think of at least 8 AC or QK FA's that commute X-YYJ. Most of them to YVR, but 1 does commute to YYZ. In addition to FA's, there are at least 1
40 n126dl : What is an A day?
41 Post contains images goldenstate : I do believe it will be a Valentine's Day payout. Give it out in orange paystubs and that would really make me smile.
42 NASBWI : At DL, it's what they call their reserve days - the days on which FAs are made available to crew scheduling for whatever may become open.
43 RoseFlyer : I totally agree with that. People in all facets of an airline commute. Even when I worked at management at an airline, I along with a number of other
44 slcdeltarumd11 : Alot of flight attendants/pilots have "crash pads" in Queens. Alot of them are inbetween JFK and LGA actually. Forest Hills is huge with the FAs. Good
45 Post contains images slcdeltarumd11 : Yeah i certainly agree though NYC probably has a high turnover rate because its FAs realize after they start how expensive it is to live there and qui
46 OverEasy : Does anybody know if Delta requires new-hire, probationary flight attendants to actually live in their base city? I seem to remember a few years ago t
47 NASBWI : I don't think that it's required, but I'm pretty sure (as some have mentioned) that it's strongly discouraged during a probationary period...especial
48 Overeasy : Thanks. Is having a crash pad at your base city during your probationary period sufficient or do you need to "sell the farm" and move everything to y
49 skyguyB727 : With the abundance of CRJs replacing mainline flying for so many airlines, commuting would be much more difficult. Many flights run consistently full,
50 N587NK : A crashpad will be good enough! Any they can vary in price, some as low as $150/month some a little bit more. (Im not sure about NYC, I have never bee
51 seamefly : you need to outsmart the system !! Every one knows that... Every airliners knows that... Don't stress it out if you have figured out the system, then
52 flyboy80 : Does anyone know how many days off delta fas get new per calander month?
53 Overeasy : Question: When do medical and health benefits kick in? I'm assuming once you've graduated from training, but different airlines have different policie
54 NASBWI : That's a harder question to answer, mainly because when it comes to benefits, it's really up to you. You can select a plan that works for you, or you
55 delta2ual : When I began with DL in 1994, there were 6 of us in a crashpad. One year later, 3 had quit. I can honestly say, NYC is a tough base for new hires (as
56 milesrich : With the advent of A days, I don't believe there are any strictly reserve flight attendant positions. Before A days, reserve flight attendants usuall
57 B767300ER : While I technically have "A" days unless % can get a quick NYC-FLL-NYC or NYC-ATL-NYC turn around I am passed over since it conflicts with my JFK-TLV
58 TOMMY767 : I actually got in touch with Delta HR yesterday and they invited to come down for F2F down in ATL. I turned it down because I'm starting a new job tom
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