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User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9657 times:

It's been discussed here many times that YVR is an odd location for OW to have its HQ, especially given the fact that virtually no OW airlines fly there. Well, it looks like they are finally going to move to NYC (Manhattan). This should be a good move to a city that is a cornerstone of the OW alliance and will hopefully give the alliance much greater exposure.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10944...airline-exec-to-lead-oneworld.html

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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9724 times:

What was the rationale behind having OW's HQ in YVR to begin with?

User currently offlineAirCanadaA330 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9716 times:

Nice to see they are moving, I always found it odd that they Stayed in Vancouver for so long since there is no Canadian member of OW....well not anymore....


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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9719 times:

Did it have anything to do with Canadian Airlines? They were one of the original founders of Oneworld.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9530 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 1):
What was the rationale behind having OW's HQ in YVR to begin with?

A. Vancouver/YVR is considered "neutral" in that it is not a major hub for any of the alliances.
B. Vancouver's time zone permits business to be conducted between the oneworld alliance itself, and its respective members all over the globe during the business day in both locations.


According to CX in 2000, "Vancouver was chosen as the base for the team as a convenient crossroads for oneworld members and to underline the alliance’s commitment to continue to offer the Canadian market choice and high quality services."
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_...0706caa010VgnVCM22000022d21c39____


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6102 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9462 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
A. Vancouver/YVR is considered "neutral" in that it is not a major hub for any of the alliances.

YVR is ACs Pacific hub...



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9395 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 1):
What was the rationale behind having OW's HQ in YVR to begin with?

Several things.

1. It was a hub for Canadian Airlines, which was a founding oneworld member.

2. It was, indeed, at the time considered a "neutral" market since back then no other alliance had a major hub there (pre-Canadian takeover, Air Canada's presence in Vancouver was sizable but not nearly as big as today).

3. Because of Vancouver's location and timezone, at the time, it allowed employees at the OMC (oneworld Management Company) in Vancouver to have conference calls with all the alliance member airlines' headquarters simultaneously during normal working hours in those airlines' headquarters cities.


User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2302 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9217 times:

Add MX to the Oneworld airlines flying to YVR.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8844 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 7):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
A. Vancouver/YVR is considered "neutral" in that it is not a major hub for any of the alliances.

YVR is ACs Pacific hub...
Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
Quoting EricR (Reply 1):
What was the rationale behind having OW's HQ in YVR to begin with?

Several things.

1. It was a hub for Canadian Airlines, which was a founding oneworld member.

2. It was, indeed, at the time considered a "neutral" market since back then no other alliance had a major hub there (pre-Canadian takeover, Air Canada's presence in Vancouver was sizable but not nearly as big as today).

3. Because of Vancouver's location and timezone, at the time, it allowed employees at the OMC (oneworld Management Company) in Vancouver to have conference calls with all the alliance member airlines' headquarters simultaneously during normal working hours in those airlines' headquarters cities.

Oneworld's original executive director, Peter Buecking, was also a Vancouver native. He spent quite a few years with CX, eventually winding up as their director of marketing and sales in HKG, when he resigned to head up oneworld. As a sidenote, he worked for Canadian Airlines predecessor CP Air when he resigned to join CX. He had two brothers who also worked for CP at the same time, all 3 in marketing and sales-related positions in YVR.

[Edited 2010-12-10 14:41:54]

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8742 times:

Anyone who goes back and reads my posts from when LAN-TAM was announced, I expressed my belief that it was basically a 50/50 shot between oneworld and Star. I could - and still can - see arguments and obvious attractions for both alliances (can't see any real rationale for SkyTeam).

However, it is my belief that two events which have occurred since that initial announcement, namely (1) Avianca-TACA joining Star and (2) U.S.-Brazilian Open Skies, have fundamentally changed the competitive landscape and dynamic between oneworld and Star - in oneworld's favor.

On (1), I still contend that it is extremely difficult to imagine LAN joining the same alliance as Avianca. They simply overlap in too many strategically important markets - namely in and out of Peru, and soon Columbia, plus perhaps eventually Brazil (depending on the fate of Avianca Brasil's eventual inclusion in Star). As for (2), as I and others have said, LAN-TAM would likely be salivating at the prospect of getting ATI (and possibly a JV) with AA in the U.S.-Brazil market, which would allow that grouping to combined dominate the market with probably 55-60% of the total market (after Open Skies growth by competitors). Even if they have to wait five years for it - which doesn't really count "against" oneworld per se since it will be the case for any U.S. partner - that is still a massive inducement for LAN-TAM towards oneworld in my view.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 17):
As a sidenote, he had two brothers who both worked for Canadian Airlines (and predecessor CP Air) in YVR, both in marketing and sales-related positions.

Plus, Don Carty - the then-Chairman and CEO of American, was also a Canadian by birth and also the former President of Canadian Airlines.

[Edited 2010-12-10 23:05:24 by SA7700]

User currently offlineA320boy From UK - England, joined Jun 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8719 times:

I think he meant no Canadian based airline in OW

User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

They may not have as many daily flights as other locations, but there presence is there none the less.

Quoting EricR (Reply 1):
What was the rationale behind having OW's HQ in YVR to begin with?
Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 3):
Did it have anything to do with Canadian Airlines? They were one of the original founders of Oneworld

  

CP was one of the founding members of Oneworld if I'm not mistaken.


It does make sense that I't moving to NYC though. I would have thought LON might be a better HQ though...

[Edited 2010-12-11 00:34:04 by SA7700]

User currently offlineb707forever From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

NYC makes a lot of sense and forces AA folks back to NYC after leaving toward the end of the 70s for the greener and cheaper pastures of DFW as HQ. I'm sure the non-revving on IB now will be a bit tougher into MAD though... I hope AA keeps their frequency to MAD up!

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

Quoting b707forever (Reply 12):
NYC makes a lot of sense and forces AA folks back to NYC after leaving toward the end of the 70s

AA's headquarters moved, but AA never left.

AA has maintained a continual office presence in New York - with a substantial staff - for nearly 80 years. For decades, AA's New York office was at the Chrysler Building, and then moved a few years back to a building closer to Grand Central. Now it appears to be moving again, to the consolidated New York offices for AA, BA, Iberia, the headquarters for the Joint Venture, and for oneworld.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4391 times:
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Quoting crosswinds21 (Thread starter):
It's been discussed here many times that YVR is an odd location for OW to have its HQ, especially given the fact that virtually no OW airlines fly there. Well, it looks like they are finally going to move to NYC (Manhattan). This should be a good move to a city that is a cornerstone of the OW alliance and will hopefully give the alliance much greater exposure.

As a corporation that demands a lot of international travel, yes it make sense to be in a city with more availability of services. NYC with no doubt have a better balance of Asia, Latin America and Europe.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

Quoting b707forever (Reply 12):
NYC makes a lot of sense and forces AA folks back to NYC

How exactly does it do that?


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7619 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Quoting RedChili (Reply 7):

Add MX to the Oneworld airlines flying to YVR.

It was. MX is no longer operating.



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User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 588 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3093 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
Now it appears to be moving again, to the consolidated New York offices for AA, BA, Iberia, the headquarters for the Joint Venture, and for oneworld.

Anybody know where the new office will be located in Manhattan?


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 17):
Anybody know where the new office will be located in Manhattan?

They have secured one floor of the 2 Park Avenue building.

http://www.2parkave.com/

[Edited 2010-12-11 15:42:03]


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