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Is Qatar Airways The Real Deal?  
User currently offlineTUSdawg23 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 148 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14693 times:

I recently watched a "Just Planes" video which documents the daily operations of various airlines. I recently watched the one on Qatar Airways which was done in 2002 and in part of the episode, an interview was conducted with the CEO who at the time said they were operating with just "18 aircraft." Well fast forward to the end of 2010 and now the airline has 83 aircraft(not including 10 additional aircraft used for cargo and corporate operations) and serves roughly 90 destinations with orders for 117 more planes including an order for 5 Airbus A380s with 2 additional options for the aircraft.

EK is often the middle eastern carrier that has overshadowed its nearby counterparts with their aggressive ad campaigns, massive growth and the gigantic order of AIrbus A380s they made recently that shocked the world. But it's clear Qatar Airways is becoming a force to be reckoned with and the little nation is building up an airline that may be ready to compete on the world stage.

With the recent announcement of the world cup coming to Qatar in 2022, will we see additional growth from the airline to one that will be able to compete with the likes of EK or is management biting off more than they can chew in their expansion plans for the airline? It will be interesting to see what happens and if the airline based in a country of less than 2 million people will be able to hold its own throughout the coming years.

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User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 613 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14630 times:
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Quoting TUSdawg23 (Thread starter):
With the recent announcement of the world cup coming to Qatar in 2022, will we see additional growth from the airline to one that will be able to compete with the likes of EK or is management biting off more than they can chew in their expansion plans for the airline? It will be interesting to see what happens and if the airline based in a country of less than 2 million people will be able to hold its own throughout the coming years.

I'm sure QR is experiencing a few growing pains at the rate they are expanding, however it's pretty impressive to watch them add a new destination on a monthly basis it seems (and expand to the far corners of the world).

QR currently see a bottleneck effect in DOH - too many flights coming in, and not enough capacity on the other end to effectively transit passengers to onwards destinations. Part of this is the fact that they cannot get new aircraft fast enough (787 delay) and another is the Doha airport itself. When the New Doha International Airport opens it will dramatically have a positive effect on the customer experience while on the ground in DOH. The 787 delay has obviously had an effect on QR's expansion and capacity increases - and we see that frustration voiced by QR's CEO himself.

According to QR press releases, they have 60 Boeing 787s on order, 80 A350s, 24 A320s, 5 A380s, and continue to take delivery of Boeing 77Ws and 77Ls monthly. I'd say they have massive plans to expand and increase capacity on existing routes, as well as keep their fleet ultra-modern.

I've talked to folks who have flown all three - EK, EY and QR - and they all give huge kudos to QR's inflight product and some say it's arguably the best of the three.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14304 times:

QR is a strange case I think. In Australia, they launched flights to Melbourne last year, yet I am yet to see any advertising campaign. unlike Etihad and Emirates, who get their branding out there constantly.

The DOH congestion issue is not doing them any favours, and seems odd that they continue to grow, at the levels they currently do, without the facilities to cope.

The M/E is all about prestige and outdoing your neighbour. In that regard, their actions to date, especially given all the challenges, explain a lot. We must not forget that QR has never made a profit. Even their own CEO has admitted that. I dont think anyone can call them a success yet.


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13991 times:

QR ads are on CNN International every 5 minutes: 5 Star Hotel in the Sky.
They appear not to bother with billboards.
Made me fly them DME-DOH-BKK in January.
We'll see how good they are.

The DOH issue is a problem.
Maybe that's why they have 2 daily flights on A320 from Moscow, 4 hours apart - to provide near zero layover time?


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13960 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 3):
QR ads are on CNN International every 5 minutes: 5 Star Hotel in the Sky.
They appear not to bother with billboards.

Very poor branding exercise that one. CNN is a cable channel, with limited market reach into the broader community. The marketing strategy employeed to date has been exceptionally poor in Australia. Not sure how they expect to generate traffic.


User currently offlinejblua320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3180 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13952 times:
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Perhaps they don't feel the need to advertise as much if they are seeing a decent to large amount of bookings being made through OTAs or agencies? Just a thought.

I've flown EK and had a great experience. Would really like to give QR a shot.

JBLU


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13935 times:

Quoting jblua320 (Reply 5):
Perhaps they don't feel the need to advertise as much if they are seeing a decent to large amount of bookings being made through OTAs or agencies? Just a thought.

Could be. In terms of pax perceptions though, I can only say that EK and EY are much more attractive propositions to MEL travellers than QR. Many have never heard of them. Getting your brand out there is extremely important, especially in the launch period.


User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13899 times:

I have seen billboards in MEL for Qatar Airways, along the citylink around Docklands. Ok, nowhere near as Emirates' advertising that they have at freeways, tram stops and recently, about 20 drop down posters at Southern Cross station.

I have also seen the odd Qatar Airways ads in The Age.

To be honest, I have noticed more Qatar Airways advertising than Etihad. Then again, Etihad have their name across a huge stadium so I guess that covers part of it.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13873 times:

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 7):
I have seen billboards in MEL for Qatar Airways, along the citylink around Docklands. Ok, nowhere near as Emirates' advertising that they have at freeways, tram stops and recently, about 20 drop down posters at Southern Cross station.

I have also seen the odd Qatar Airways ads in The Age.

To be honest, I have noticed more Qatar Airways advertising than Etihad. Then again, Etihad have their name across a huge stadium so I guess that covers part of it.

It just shows how successful it appears to have been   I havent seen anything substanciial, and the same can be said for many I know.

Having your name on a stadium, which is always said on news bulletins, in papers and other reports definately does wonders for EY's branding   It also benefited from the controversy about the naming rights that occured at the start. Great way to get your name in the press, without having to do much, or without negativity to its brand.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2989 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13754 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):
In Australia, they launched flights to Melbourne last year, yet I am yet to see any advertising campaign.

I have seen their advertisements from the beginning when they entered the US (IAD) and seen at across America, India, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia and nowhere I have found them pretty visible across places. Knowing all of this, it is surprising that they would not do the same in Australia. They announced their route 6 months before launch and their website press archives does indicate the various advertising campaigns they had done.



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User currently offlineAeroSafari From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined Nov 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13494 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 4):
Very poor branding exercise that one. CNN is a cable channel, with limited market reach into the broader community.

Not quite; CNN is broadcast in the majority of every major airport in US on several TVs 24/7. Some of these statistics really stand out "CNN is available in over 100 million U.S. households. Broadcast coverage extends to over 890,000 American hotel rooms,and the U.S broadcast is also shown in Canada" and thats not even mentioning the CNN international broadcasts.

Quoting jblua320 (Reply 5):
I've flown EK and had a great experience. Would really like to give QR a shot.

Same here. I believe one cannot proclaim which M/E carrier is the best until they've actually tried them all. I'm rather anxious to see which routes QR announces in the coming years and to experience one of their flights.



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13447 times:

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 1):
I've talked to folks who have flown all three - EK, EY and QR - and they all give huge kudos to QR's inflight product and some say it's arguably the best of the three.

No question that QR's premium inflight product is light years ahead of most of the others, and their Premium Terminal for First and Business passengers is certainly top-notch.

But their ground staff certainly leaves a lot to be desired, as well as some of their policies regarding award tickets, upgrades, etc..

The new airport in Doha should make the experience much more enjoyable for sure..


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13397 times:

Quoting AeroSafari (Reply 10):
Not quite; CNN is broadcast in the majority of every major airport in US on several TVs 24/7. Some of these statistics really stand out "CNN is available in over 100 million U.S. households. Broadcast coverage extends to over 890,000 American hotel rooms,and the U.S broadcast is also shown in Canada" and thats not even mentioning the CNN international broadcasts.

I am talking about Australian originating pax, so marketing in this country.

I know CNN is large in certain markets, but its not that big here. That was my point.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13244 times:

Well, this is my personal opinion. But I believe anybody knows that QR is nowhere near profitability ? Ask from someone who's frequent with the mid eastern scene, and they'll tell that QR is pretty much good money thrown after bad money. EK has a solid foundation, and real profits, no matter what some will say. You will only find out how hard they work and how smart the management is, once you work with them. EY too will likely reach profitablitity in next five years. QR is a totally different case. QR will someday make money, but the only way they'll make it there is by dumping capacity and managing that right, in the future. Whereas both EK and EY are quite sensible financially. And it is further evident simply from the execs - compare a comment by TC/Flanagan or James Hogan to Akbar Al Baker.
Nothing against or favoring any of these carriers personally, but truth must be told.



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User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13160 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkUn2...F&list=PLDB4E796ABB691133&index=58

Actually Qatar ads are very much addicting.
No need to watch them for many times.
Based on this female misterious image in the very end - as in the link above.
This female became a kind of brand, or a part of brand - and used for the 2nd or 3rd years.


User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13132 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 4):
Very poor branding exercise that one. CNN is a cable channel, with limited market reach into the broader community. The marketing strategy employeed to date has been exceptionally poor in Australia. Not sure how they expect to generate traffic.

It's not a branding issue. The brand is very well established so no branding exercise is required. It's rather, a brand awareness issue, and every brand has to start somewhere. Fact that you don't see it much does not mean they are not doing anything about it. You are confusing your perception with facts.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 12):
I am talking about Australian originating pax, so marketing in this country. I know CNN is large in certain markets, but its not that big here. That was my point.

So are you assuming apart from CNN they don't advertise on any TV media in Australia? In addition to CNN, they have also bought up all the ad slots for weather news on BBCW, Sky News and Al Jazeera. And these free channels have worldwide coverage. Then you'll say you don't watch any of these channels so it's not good enough.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 6):
Could be. In terms of pax perceptions though, I can only say that EK and EY are much more attractive propositions to MEL travellers than QR. Many have never heard of them. Getting your brand out there is extremely important, especially in the launch period.

Have you even flown with Qatar? You seem to bear them a grudge for whatever reason.

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Thread starter):
or is management biting off more than they can chew in their expansion plans for the airline?

What specific events or issues have you observed to make you suggest they have bitten more than they can chew? Apart from the time it takes for the new Doha airport to finish and a few behind the scene issues which I am not going to divulge here, I don't see any major problems with them myself.

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Thread starter):
It will be interesting to see what happens and if the airline based in a country of less than 2 million people will be able to hold its own throughout the coming years.

Read more about Emirates' and Qatar's business model and you will see that it does not matter how big the domestic population is. It bears no relations.

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 1):
QR currently see a bottleneck effect in DOH - too many flights coming in, and not enough capacity on the other end to effectively transit passengers to onwards destinations.

   Although the middle eastern carriers do not focus on a particular continent at a time. They always increase capacity evenly to the East and West. This keeps the E-W feed balanced.



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13114 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 13):
Well, this is my personal opinion. But I believe anybody knows that QR is nowhere near profitability ? Ask from someone who's frequent with the mid eastern scene, and they'll tell that QR is pretty much good money thrown after bad money. EK has a solid foundation, and real profits, no matter what some will say. You will only find out how hard they work and how smart the management is, once you work with them. EY too will likely reach profitablitity in next five years. QR is a totally different case. QR will someday make money, but the only way they'll make it there is by dumping capacity and managing that right, in the future. Whereas both EK and EY are quite sensible financially. And it is further evident simply from the execs - compare a comment by TC/Flanagan or James Hogan to Akbar Al Baker.
Nothing against or favoring any of these carriers personally, but truth must be told.

I agree that QR are definately not profitable, likely not even close to it.

I agree that EK are atleast making money, and have a strong business plan so far, which has really worked for them. They got the jump on the others, other than GF, and flew away from them. Its all catch up for EY and QR now.

I do not agree that EY are financially that strong just yet though, nor really being managed with financial fundamentals in mind. They are in many ways the same as QR, with decisions designed to take marketshare from EK, or to create a global network for their destination they sit. instead of trying to make profits. The governments of Abu Dhabi (UAE) and Qatar are happy to see this happen, as the airlines are seen as vehicles for growth, for the emirates/citys/countries they represent.

In the end, the Gulf is all aout prestige and the airlines just become part of the game to beat the rival.


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13011 times:

Are they the realdeal in terms of product. Absolutely.
But I have some grave reservations against them.

We forget that the company has never posted a profit.
Its not fun to compete with a company that can order at will, launch new destinations at will but have no need to post any surplus or for that sake break even. That might be ok if the carrier is an O&D carrier and deemed vital to the nations wellfare (Ala Air Tahiti Nui) but QR isnt their businessmodel is about being a transferpoint.

To me such companies destroys the free market. Now I know in this kind of business it has always been governments that have sponsored companies and its nothing new. But QR takes this to a new level.
They come from a country of 1.5 million inhabitants and Doha is not much in regards to International Buisness. Bahrain is the former banking hub of the region and Dubai is slowly taking that crown. Dubai is spectacular and has a fair bit of tourism. Doha well they have gas and some oil. Its a petro-economy but the government is trying to diversify it. But not by attracting foreign capital like Dubai have done but instead by government ventures. Some successful like Al Jazeera, many less successful.

Competitors of QR often have to play by different financial rules. They cant compete on price or product because that would destroy there balance sheet so QR can waltz in operating routes at a loss and still be the lowest price year after year.QR isnt playing on the same field as many others and its rather sad to see that they can expand at will without any concern for their balance-sheet.

QR is a rather funny airline in regards to top management. They recruit foreigners and has a rather high turnover of them. Expats hired tend to submit their resignations when they are out of the country, that we don't see with any of the other Middle eastern carriers. There are some interesting stories of what has happened to the people that resigned when in Doha and its a rather scary read. Not easy to leave...

But yeah QR product is good and they offer some pretty interesting routes and provides good competition on quite a few markets.

However most that I know consider EY to have the best product of the three. EK seems to be hit and miss these days some crews are great and some are not. No consistency. QR is usually good but EY seems to have the edge.
Well thats according to me and my limited circle of mates so completely subjective but I often read similar thoughts.
I enjoy EY though they have a certain style and certain class to it the other two lacks.
I do however very much doubt EY will be profitable within the coming 3 years even though statements that this will happen has been broadcasted. EY isnt going berserk ordering everything that moves and seem to have a more conservative approach to orders.

EK posts profit, or at least that's what pretty reputable accounting companies says.

I feel that the carriers competing with the likes of QR that never posts profit is facing a player that is distorting the market. That I believe only government regulations can prevent.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12979 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 3):
Maybe that's why they have 2 daily flights on A320 from Moscow, 4 hours apart - to provide near zero layover time?

Probably but that does not necessarily guarantee you a short connection time with QR. At least that's my expeerience with them. If you try to book 'em from Germany many if not most reasonably priced itineraries to e.g. BKK or KUL include 9, 12, 15 even 20(!!!)-hour layovers each way in that crowded, dirty dump the DOH airport is... despite earlier departures being available.


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

woo. Good thing I have 2 hour transit in Doha both on DME-BKK and BKK-DME.
Total time is 13.09 down there and 13.20 back here.

I wouldn't say the price was that cheap: $845.00 r/t.
EK was very close, within $20-30.00 difference.

For some reason all three direct flights - UN,SU and TG were more expensive.
UN was ca. $900.00
SU - ca. $1,000.00
TG - ca. $1,250.00.

Actually it's a 18 day vacation. No haste.
So I decided to try QR.


User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10517 times:

Flown EK, EY, and QR. Personally, I was underwelmed by QR - it did not live up to its 5*, 'we're the best' standards.

I would say EK and EY were virtually equal.

Which would I most like to fly again? EK, on the 380. Perhaps I'll fly LHR-DXB-BKK-HKG-BKK-DXB-LHR next summer and thereby get on 6 A380s! 

Incidentally, I just saw a thread from 2000 entitled, "Is Emirates The Real Deal?".  



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10412 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):
The M/E is all about prestige and outdoing your neighbour. In that regard, their actions to date, especially given all the challenges, explain a lot. We must not forget that QR has never made a profit. Even their own CEO has admitted that. I dont think anyone can call them a success yet.

The M/E is also about being successful and very efficient, and I feel a lot of this "about prestige...." is a convenient way of deflecting/refusal to recognise that. Again, being 'successful' is not necessarily about profitability at this stage....QR is a youngish airline and to try to say they should be matching long established carriers is both foolish, and more deflection.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 4):
Very poor branding exercise that one. CNN is a cable channel, with limited market reach into the broader community. The marketing strategy employeed to date has been exceptionally poor in Australia. Not sure how they expect to generate traffic.

What branding is required? QR are an airline known throughout the world, so you are confusing branding with advertising. They are certainly not the same thing.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 6):
Could be. In terms of pax perceptions though, I can only say that EK and EY are much more attractive propositions to MEL travellers than QR. Many have never heard of them. Getting your brand out there is extremely important, especially in the launch period.

With all due respect, you are essentially talking only about your own perceptions.....if not, how are you speaking for what the vast majority of passengers have 'a perception' of? Again, I can assure you that QR are very well known so once again you are using 'brand' to mean something else which you are perceiving incorrectly.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 17):
Its not fun to compete with a company that can order at will,

But here one is getting into the old adage.....comparing something on a like-for-like basis when reality is nothing like that.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 17):
They come from a country of 1.5 million inhabitants and Doha is not much in regards to International Buisness. Bahrain is the former banking hub of the region and Dubai is slowly taking that crown. Dubai is spectacular and has a fair bit of tourism. Doha well they have gas and some oil. Its a petro-economy but the government is trying to diversify it. But not by attracting foreign capital like Dubai have done but instead by government ventures.

But you're forgetting the position of Doha....in many ways Doha, Dubai and Abu Dhabi are essentially three points connection one region

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 17):
Competitors of QR often have to play by different financial rules. They cant compete on price or product because that would destroy there balance sheet so QR can waltz in operating routes at a loss and still be the lowest price year after year.QR isnt playing on the same field as many others and its rather sad to see that they can expand at will without any concern for their balance-sheet.

Sorry, but whatever 'rules' (on anything) other airlines have to 'play' is not the responsibility/concern of competitors. If others, by whatever measure, cannot compete they can simply stop service, and which is the 'reality' every other business deals in worldwide. Why do we on a.net expect airlines should be treated differently? Indeed, it actually strikes me as while seemingly the vast majority of a.net members detest 'state control' (which some deridingly describe as socialism) they are equally advocating as to why airlines should have the audacity to actually attempt to 'compete' with each other! Equally, how many 'established/favourite' carriers frequently operate routes at a loss to put competitors out of business.....some even on record of being found guilty of colluding to do it. How is such any different? Yes, I will concede there are many here will see such as perfectly 'acceptable'....because they allude it to be 'expert business' when, of course, it suits. However, all that mindset does is show the 'importance' of semantics on a.net as opposed to actual reality.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 17):
To me such companies destroys the free market.

But do we not very frequently hear on here about where some airlines (especially US carriers) deliberately employ strategies used solely to make their competitors pay more as way of undermining/putting them out of service? Thus, what is the difference between such tactics and my reply above? The free market, as a pure entity, does not exist in reality solely due to there will always be an element of 'protectionism' and, ironically enough, will always be found to be acceptable even by the most verocious anti-supporters of it when it suits any given situation.


User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9725 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 18):
Probably but that does not necessarily guarantee you a short connection time with QR. At least that's my expeerience with them. If you try to book 'em from Germany many if not most reasonably priced itineraries to e.g. BKK or KUL include 9, 12, 15 even 20(!!!)-hour layovers each way in that crowded, dirty dump the DOH airport is... despite earlier departures being available.

I recently experienced QR from JFK-DOH-BKK and back and they are nothing but a true class act...even with the small DOH airport. Business Class passengers never even come in contact with those in economy in DOH. Immediately upon arrival into DOH you are ushered in a separate bus to the beautiful Premium Terminal and upon boarding for your next flight, you board completely separate from economy class passengers. If your connection time is over 8 hours, QR provides complimentary 5-star accommodations for First and Business Class passengers (with fast-track service so no waiting in a customs line...you wait in a lounge and are ushered to a BMW or Mercedes when ready to your hotel) and a 3-star hotel for Economy Class passengers.


User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9386 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 4):
Very poor branding exercise that one. CNN is a cable channel, with limited market reach into the broader community. The marketing strategy employeed to date has been exceptionally poor in Australia. Not sure how they expect to generate traffic.

I've been to over a dozen countries and have never been without CNN International, whether I wanted to or not. I'm sure others who are more traveled can vouch for that.


User currently offlinemonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6266 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 12):
I am talking about Australian originating pax, so marketing in this country.

Out of interest, have you flown on QR?



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25 IndianicWorld : With all due respect, I am talking about those I know, who travel quite a lot, and would be in a target market for QR. Its solely based on my experie
26 JoeCanuck : I lived for a couple of years in Doha and know a few people who used to work in the front office, as well as some cabin crew. QR is its own strange l
27 QatarA340 : QR is currently rated the 3rd best airline in the world ahead of Singapore and Asiana. The new Airport is due to open in Dec. 18 2011, and in the mean
28 codeshare : That's on most of the A330s in other airlines. And being tall and sitting in the window seat wasn't that comfortable with my legs stretched. However
29 HiJazzey : I think they will. Bahrain have already (partially) scrapped the sponsorship system, and Kuwait is in the process of fully scrapping it. These reform
30 flyboy_se : QR can never be profitable as long as they expand the way they do and ordering new aircraft as they do. That being said, even if their pockets are dee
31 Viscount724 : QR 777s are 9-abreast (3-3-3) in Y class, unlike EK's cramped 10-abreast layouts (3-4-3). That alone would be more than enough to make me choose QR o
32 deltamartin : Here in Sweden, i haven't seen any ads for QR, but since they increased their traffic to ARN from the A319 to a daily A330, it seems that the route is
33 SSTsomeday : It seems very possible that Qatar and Ethiad will not stand idly by and watch EK take all the transfer passengers passing through their perfect-storm
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