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The New United & B777-300ER  
User currently offlineCONTACTDEPARTUR From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 9 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 26095 times:

Does anyone see the new United in the future ordering the B777-300ER? Maybe as B747-400 replacement or to augment the wide body fleet...Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated

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User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 26066 times:

I would say: NO!

It is too late for the B77W for United already.

Officially the A350 is ordered already to replace the B744.


But i personally expect United to order the A388 as real B744-replacement.


(Probably in a nice package-deal together with 100 A321NEOs...)


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 25967 times:
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Quoting 328JET (Reply 1):
I would say: NO!

It is too late for the B77W for United already.

Officially the A350 is ordered already to replace the B744.


But i personally expect United to order the A388 as real B744-replacement.


(Probably in a nice package-deal together with 100 A321NEOs...)

I wouldn't shut out the 777-300ER completely. You have to remember that the management taking over UA is from CO. As I don't see managment buying 747-8's, it think it's entirely possible to see UA getting 773-ER's, along with additional 787 orders...along with additional 738's and maybe 739-ER's to replace their aging A319 and A320 jets. It will be interesting to see what happens to the A350 order.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 25833 times:

77W no... 77W+ (the upgraded lightened version and/or slightly longer improved fuel burn model) quite possibly.
Tbh I just don't see UA ordering the A388... too much plane for them for limited return... that said if A were to offer an A389 it may just tip the scales enough for UA in terms of lowering seat costs. Whilst it is a huge airline, it is more about frequency over bulk. Many of the other A380 operators are flying large distances hub-hub (ie LHR-SIN-SYD) where frequency doesn't have the same impact as costs.



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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 25671 times:
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There are many routes where the 77W would be great for the "new" UA. All routes to LHR for example (SFO, LAX, IAH, ORD, NYC) would benefit from the increased capacity for people and cargo.

However, unless they find a subfleet to buy/lease real cheap, it won't happen unfortunately.

They've charted a course to go with a mix of 787/350's to replace their 744's. The 772ER's will work well for them for many years yet (CO is still taking delivery of their last few).


User currently offlineCONTACTDEPARTUR From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25610 times:

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 4):
They've charted a course to go with a mix of 787/350's to replace their 744's. The 772ER's will work well for them for many years yet (CO is still taking delivery of their last few).

That was before the merger was announced, so that may change with the Continental management also being a part of the fleet decisions.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25543 times:

The A350 cannot replace the 744.



That 'decision' was made by previous management. Expect it to be changed to what is necessary. A true VLA.



Possibly the 747-8 but more likely the 77W.



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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1735 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25534 times:
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The A350 order can be cancelled. The few comments from Smisek ala A350 have not been lukewarm.

User currently offlineCONTACTDEPARTUR From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25474 times:

I think Smisek will be lured by the B777W's great economics and B777 fleet commonality.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25513 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25393 times:

Per staff Q&A session only last week I understand this specific question came up - and one of the VP's very clearly said the company had no interest in the 77W and was looking forward to the 787/350.


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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5590 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25389 times:

Quoting 328JET (Reply 1):
But i personally expect United to order the A388 as real B744-replacement.


(Probably in a nice package-deal together with 100 A321NEOs...)

Reminiscent of their 80's order for 110 737's and 8 747's. Eh, could happen. I tend to see the chance of the NEO coming into the fleet as 30%, the A388 as 60% or so eventually, the 77W as 30%, the A350 in some incarnation as 90%, and the 748i as almost nil.

-Dave



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User currently offlineCONTACTDEPARTUR From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25366 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
Per staff Q&A session only last week I understand this specific question came up - and one of the VP's very clearly said the company had no interest in the 77W and was looking forward to the 787/350.

Very interesting


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5590 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25366 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
one of the VP's very clearly said the company had no interest in the 77W
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
the 77W as 30%

I'd like to change my answer, please.  

-Dave



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User currently offlineCONTACTDEPARTUR From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25292 times:

With the B787/A350 combo, the new United is interested in new technology I guess.

[Edited 2010-12-11 21:07:39]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25513 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 25143 times:

Of course as I learned a long time ago, if something is vehemently denied by management, its probably 180 degrees the opposite.   

While I personally believe the 77W could play a nice role especially to replace the 744s whose reliability and economics will only get worse with time, it truly does seem the focus is to follow course with the existing dual 787 orders, and eventually the larger A350 without any appetite for a 77W in the interim, or VLA's downline.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5980 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 25123 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 2):
You have to remember that the management taking over UA is from CO

not this again....UAs management team is made up of a 50/50 mix of UA and CO executives.

Quoting CONTACTDEPARTUR (Reply 13):

With the B787/A350 combo, the new United is interested in new technology I guess.

Exactly...there really isn't the need to take delivery of the 77W at this point. UA ordered the 359 to replace their 744s starting in 2016 which is right around when the oldest 744 turns 25. That's right around the age where UA has typically retired their aircraft. For UA the choice was fly their current fleet up until its typical retirement age and replace those aircraft with future tech or replace the 744s with 77Ws and in 5 or 6 years be faced with their competitors operating newer more advanced aircraft.



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 24931 times:

First, I cannot understand why people still think that the A350 is going to be canceled, IT IS HERE TO STAY!!!! The terms United got on the A350 make it a sure thing.

Now to the important stuff! After we finalized the A350/787 order I was completely sure that United would also order either the 748 or A380. I cannot go into specifics but I can say that our modeling showed a very distinct need for this type of aircraft in our fleet. After the CO/UA merger was announced I had no hope for such an order anymore because of the different fleet planning philosophy CO seems to use. Now however that I have a better idea of who will manage what and we are able to see some of the planning CO has done I again believe that there will be an A380/748 order. Between the two the A380 seems much more likely however the 748 still has a chance and some good solid numbers from LH would go far with UA.



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User currently offlinehomsar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 24891 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):
I just don't see UA ordering the A388... too much plane for them for limited return... that said if A were to offer an A389 it may just tip the scales enough for UA in terms of lowering seat costs.

If the 388 is too much airplane, how on Earth could they even consider the 389?



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3217 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 24836 times:

Quoting homsar (Reply 17):
If the 388 is too much airplane, how on Earth could they even consider the 389?

simple. If the 389 is built it will have by a fair margin, the lowest seat mile costs of any widebody at all.
In some markets, dropping frequency a little wont have that much impact... (mostly longer flights..think asia/pacific) and would allow united the edge. This is the principle emirates works on. If flies very large aircraft... as large as a city could possibly support (hence them sending 77W's to almost everywhere, some cities other carriers are serving long haul with 757s with). With the lowest costs they then can afford to be the price leader... hence filling their ec onomy cabins faster.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 24665 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 15):

not this again....UAs management team is made up of a 50/50 mix of UA and CO executives.

Not really. The new management team is dominated by Continental executives, with the CEO of course,
from Continental as well.



Tilton should have been shown the door a long time ago. That said, I wish we had Bethune and his management team running the 'new UA'



I have very little faith in Jeff Smisek.



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4761 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 23756 times:
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Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 16):
First, I cannot understand why people still think that the A350 is going to be canceled, IT IS HERE TO STAY!!!! The terms United got on the A350 make it a sure thing


I guess some out here would like to be the new UA/CO combo to be an all Boeing airliner. Personally I can not understand this thought taken the qualities of Boeing and Airbus products into account. Both OEM's produce fantastic products and well deserve a place in the new UA/CO fleet imho.  .


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 23677 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 2):
You have to remember that the management taking over UA is from CO.
Quoting United1 (Reply 15):
not this again....UAs management team is made up of a 50/50 mix of UA and CO executives.
Quoting Max Q (Reply 19):
Not really. The new management team is dominated by Continental executives, with the CEO of course,
from Continental as well.

Yes the CEO is from CO. However the upper management mix is 50/50. That was how it was announced and that is the way it happened.


User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7284 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 23599 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 18):
If the 389 is built it will have by a fair margin, the lowest seat mile costs of any widebody at all.
In some markets, dropping frequency a little wont have that much impact... (mostly longer flights..think asia/pacific) and would allow united the edge. This is the principle emirates works on. If flies very large aircraft... as large as a city could possibly support (hence them sending 77W's to almost everywhere, some cities other carriers are serving long haul with 757s with). With the lowest costs they then can afford to be the price leader... hence filling their ec onomy cabins faster.

I guess that explains why EK have the lowest fares in markets that they dominate.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 22451 times:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 16):
First, I cannot understand why people still think that the A350 is going to be canceled, IT IS HERE TO STAY!!!! The terms United got on the A350 make it a sure thing.

Well, TWA ordered around 50 (correct me if I'm wrong) A318s and didn't AA cancel the order once they bought TWA? So what's to say Smisek won't cancel the order (or maybe switch the order to another Airbus aircraft)?



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 22233 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 23):
So what's to say Smisek won't cancel the order (or maybe switch the order to another Airbus aircraft)?


The CEO of any airline is not totally in charge of aircraft orders. The BOD and staff members get very involved in those matters.


25 washingtonian : The A350 will be the perfect replacement for United's 747s. Let's not forget that the combined airline is going to be shifting capacity on a lot of ro
26 United1 : AA didn't actually buy TWA they bought parts of TWA...the order was simply cancelled when the part of TWA that AA did not purchase was liquidated. As
27 manfredj : What did Han Solo say to Chewbacca?..."Everybody gets delusions of grandeur", but a 380?!? I think you too quickly discount the 773 yet embrace the p
28 SonomaFlyer : I've had a hard time believing UA would go solely with the 35x over the Pacific to replace their 744's. The demand is there for a 380/748 fleet. Sure
29 Post contains images UAL777UK : Noooo, not that nonsense again! Nope....because I dont see any drastic changes to the orders although and I think the 380 is too big an airplane for
30 AirNZ : Sorry, but any aircraft can replace any other aircraft depending upon what an airline wishes to achieve. If you're talking about by capacity only, th
31 COalways : The New Managment CO has the bulk and most important parts of the new airlinen. The UA team is jus filling in the holes. CO has more of the meat and
32 ml86 : Excellent point which needs reiteration. It's important to consider that the airline retains substitution rights with both the 787 and 350 orders. It
33 Rising : A Company orders the aircraft that is right for the airline, rather than a certain manager's personal preference. Buying airplanes is not like purchas
34 n7371f : One thing to keep in mind...the A350 order (and the 787) were the backbone plan of Tilton and his management team to reduce capacity internationally.
35 washingtonian : I assume you meant 2020. I agree that we will likely see more orders down the road as the 777 nears retirement age. I can't even believe we are talki
36 Goblin211 : I think UA should have the 747-8 and although it would look really good in the 380 i think the 787 is more its style. I don't know if they put orders
37 United1 : That's about as an absurd statement that I have ever seen....Can I suggest that you educate yourself on who actually makes up the management team? It
38 Post contains images UAL747DEN : This is a very odd statement/question! Also the world could explode and we all turn into skittles tomorrow but thats probably not going to happen now
39 manfredj : Progressive-ism doesn't guarantee that with every new year, we forget the policies of the past, that they all somehow become obsolete. The 1990's hav
40 Daysleeper : Hmm. I thought American had A300's? And Delta have plenty of Airbus now - They also are apparently very impressed with the A330, so I doubt they will
41 Delimit : American has quite a few non-Boeing AC, DL's fleet is about as mixed as you can get without them ordering from COMAC, and AS and WN's aircraft needs a
42 United Airline : It is now a bigger airline so I expect them to order something bigger-B747-8 and/or A380. Sooner or later we will see CX/SQ putting larger planes on S
43 Post contains images UAL777UK : And I am willing to put a months salary on the fact that he might struggle to respond to your post and provide those answers. Great response.
44 AADC10 : Yes it can. The A350 does not have the capacity of the 744 but UA decided to reduce capacity to drive up yields. UA has previously announced that the
45 excalibur : Would love to see the A380 in United colors ! And that would be an important milestone for EADS to get their foot in USA with this major airline. Besi
46 Max Q : So reducing capacity drives up yields ! An amazing statement really. What you actually do by reducing capacity in very heavily travelled markets is t
47 bobnwa : Why would an aircraft that is larger be hard to compete against just because it is larger?
48 Delimit : Not the ones who matter. You lose the cheap seats who are flying because you needed to fill the plane so you offered low fares. Despite the CASM adva
49 Post contains images EPA001 : Talk about delusions.... . It would be for sure, but I am not so sure we will ever see this happen. I think the new UA/CO could have a need for the V
50 Post contains images LAXintl : I'd like to point out a capacity concept that is quite similar between Continental and United in recent years. Continental since Bethune days has been
51 328JET : In the last years, the US airlines went the way "frequency versus aircraft size". It was/is a concept that ONLY the US airlines are preferring, no ide
52 Post contains images BMI727 : Guess the guys in Chicago didn't get the memo. Anyway, it seems that these days the only way to run an airline is to buy VLAs in order to get the low
53 Post contains images KGRB : WN is all about putting frequency over capacity. Why then, are they not bankrupt? Also DL, US, UA, AA, and a whole host of others are putting up nice
54 Max Q : Not on routes between major cities which is a major strength of the UAL operation. Its all about balance and you can't make money by relying only on
55 328JET : I did not deny that passengers probebly prefer it. (Take a look into my reply 51) But that does not change the problem, that pax are not paying for i
56 328JET : WN is a lowcost domestic airline. The others have improved their economy due fusions.
57 BMI727 : ...but they might become more profitable. Carrying pax at some of the fares offered might not be profitable to start with. ...but if lowering CASM is
58 Post contains images KGRB : It doesn't matter. Your argument is that pax want frequency, but don't pay for it. If it were true, that would apply to WN, too. (And BTW: WN is hard
59 gabrielz : Due to slot and timing restrictions UA will continue to need VLA for some time, necessitating a true 744 replacement. They will lose both premium and
60 UAL747DEN : I don't have time to get into it no but will when I get back. I have done the modeling and I know how we work. We are an airline that would rather use
61 Thrust : The A350-XWB has got the 773ER covered. It is going to be far more technologically advanced and fuel efficient assuming things work out. As I recall,
62 328JET : Did they sell their B777-300ERs...? It means that overall costs are reduced due reduced competition and higher fares.
63 AADC10 : Yes, reducing capacity drives up yields. The airlines have proved this over the last few years. Airlines look at their yields very carefully and some
64 Delimit : You are conflating capacity reduction and frequency. The two are related but not one and the same. Reduction of capacity drives up yield by offering
65 Post contains images keesje : Max Q, it seems you just won't understand. They'll simply leave the back packer at the airport, $ee? Asia market booming, UA operating a VLA fleet fo
66 DC8FanJet : Short term, I think you may see the currently parked 744's return to the fleet. The investment isn't that much comparatively, and gives the merged car
67 United787 : Although I would love to see UA get the 748 or A388, I don't see either happening. UA's network is very different from the other airlines that have or
68 328JET : This, again, is a US argument and it is only valid if you cannot fill bigger airplanes. And this is something i really doubt. DL or the new UA now ca
69 Delimit : Airlines outside the US fly into the US from one or two hubs where they funnel all of their connections. You can't say that about any of the US major
70 328JET : Yes, i know about these points, but they are mostly domestic related. Nevertheless, they need solutions to fix them. But come back to longrange, what
71 Delimit : Yes, and all of the US majors operate rather large domestic networks. When 50% of your business is in the toilet, it tends to drag down the rest. You
72 BMI727 : How many of those replaced 747s? And while we're at it, how come there are so many ex-747s operators these days? I don't see any VLAs in the livery o
73 United Airline : A bigger airline=more passengers+routes. They will probably reconsider the A 380+B747-8
74 FX1816 : Give me some examples of profitable European carriers. Last I checked Olympic went down the tubes, Alitalia always seems to be having financial probl
75 Antoniemey : Could DL and UA use larger planes than they have? Probably. Do they NEED them? Not necessarily. Will they buy them? Who can tell? Here's the thing, t
76 328JET : Absolutely right. 1. Lufthansa Group 2. Air France KLM Group 3. Virgin Atlantic 4. TUI Airline Group 5. Easyjet 6. Ryanair 7. Turkish Airlines 8. Nor
77 Post contains images 328JET : Please re-check your statement. The capacity of the B787-8 is bigger than the B764s. The B787-8 is in the same category as the A332, but is not compa
78 Delimit : Please recheck yours. You're assuming 9Y. At 8Y it's a match for the 763. While I agree many will go 9Y, not all will. Specifically I believe CO has r
79 Burkhard : I never saw an official document that the A350 is intended to replace 744s. They come completely in time to replace the B772, while the 787 replace t
80 328JET : Compare the floor spaces of the B763/764 and B788...[Edited 2010-12-14 05:42:51] 1. B787-8: 223,8 m2 2. B764: 220,0 m2 3. B763: 184,5 m2[Edited 2010-
81 Delimit : Continental lists 788 capacity at 210-250 in a 2 class configuration. While CO doesn't fly the 763, DL does. International 763ERs seat 216. They obvio
82 328JET : Check my figures in last reply. The B787-8 has nearly exactly the size of the B764. It is 20 percent bigger than the B763!
83 Delimit : Floor space is meaningless in this context. If airlines replace 763s with 788s then guess what? It's a 763 replacement. I mean, what's your point here
84 Post contains images keesje : Yes, just like ANA could simply replace their 227 seat 772ER with 216 seat 763ER's ! ....
85 Delimit : And United could replace their 744s with 350s. Oh look, we're back on topic.
86 328JET : Ah, so if United should decide to order the A388 with just 220 seats, than this would be their B767-replacement? Come on, the airlines have ordered t
87 CALPSAFltSkeds : Why don't you guys look at the facts. CO has already stated it's new IAH-AKL serice is going to be with the 788 with 36/192. This has been discussed
88 Delimit : Go check the DL seat count on a 763ER and compare it to the 788 in CO's config. What is the point of being so rigid in your use of the word replacemen
89 LAXDESI : B788 is 6 feet longer and 30 inches wider than the B763. At 9Y, B788 will offer a lot more than 20% seats in almost all configuration--perhaps closer
90 cslusarc : FR tends to have a profit margin about 25%, the highest I've ever seen.
91 Post contains links boilerla : http://www.united.com/press/detail/0,7056,61384-1,00.html Look specifically at Q5:
92 FX1816 : Ok what I should have said was, show me European AIrlines that only operate VLA's, don't use any kind of high frequency with smaller aircraft and sti
93 United Airline : They can still add the B747-8/A380 later
94 nycdave : Seems to me like almost across the board, where slot capacity is available, airlines have been maximizing frequency over aircraft size on point-to-poi
95 nycdave : Also, I do kind of love it when you have people talking at cross-purposes. One person only thinking about trans-oceanic service, and another thinking
96 Schweigend : Indeed. It's hard to compare, say, EK, a widebody-only carrier with one hub, with US ones who have multiple hubs and transport 50-100K pax daily on d
97 AADC10 : It does not seem like that is going to happen. N194UA has been operating longer than expected but rising fuel prices and the heavy maintenance checks
98 LAXDESI : IMO, United should wait for 10-abreast B773NG and not order B748 or A380.
99 Post contains links centralma : The United Continental Holdings Chief Operations Officer is Pete McDonald from UA (NOT continental for this position). If I believed all the a.net wis
100 ukoverlander : Why will they? That's a very bold sweeping statement - what is it based upon? The new UA is twice the size of the old CO. Just because CO was 'all Bo
101 AADC10 : I am sure a 777 replacement will be a terrific aircraft but by the time it arrives, UA's 744 fleet will be long gone and the 772s will be well on the
102 Schweigend : Well, if we take the 748 out of the equation, this contest would become 77W v. A380 for VLA-eligible routes -- yet choosing the 77W would mean a capac
103 trex8 : I don't think you could get them any earlier even if they were ordered today!
104 boilerla : While I agree with most of what you said, UA's statement is a little hazy and probably purposefully so. They mentioned both the 744 and 772 fleet in
105 LAXDESI : Keep in mind that the 788 can offer nearly 30% more seats than 767, if configured at 9Y.
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